Re: MAP-T in production

2020-07-24 Thread Randy Bush
> OK Randy. How about a suggestion that is useful. >>> I’m leaning toward DS-lite and NAT444 >> a great path. fork lift all cpe and cgn in the core. the vendors' >> dream $subject. map-e. ... the list is long. ds-lite is close to the bottom of it, except if you are a vendor salesperson.

Re: MAP-T in production

2020-07-24 Thread Brandon Martin
On 7/24/20 10:46 PM, Brian Johnson wrote: OK Randy. How about a suggestion that is useful. My approach thus far absent CPE support for transition mechanisms has been native IPv6 across the board + NAT444, but I use a VRF to regionalize the NAT444 routing and bring it to a semi-centralized

Re: MAP-T in production

2020-07-24 Thread Brian Johnson
OK Randy. How about a suggestion that is useful. - Brian > On Jul 24, 2020, at 8:24 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > >> I’m leaning toward DS-lite and NAT444 > > a great path. fork lift all cpe and cgn in the core. the vendors' > dream > > randy

Re: MAP-T in production

2020-07-24 Thread Randy Bush
> I’m leaning toward DS-lite and NAT444 a great path. fork lift all cpe and cgn in the core. the vendors' dream randy

RE: Don Smith, RIP.

2020-07-24 Thread Jakob Heitz (jheitz) via NANOG
Don was a great guy. I learnt a few things about Flowspec from him. Sorry to see him go. Regards, Jakob. -Original Message- Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 23:22:45 + From: "Dobbins, Roland" It is with a heavy heart that I must relate the news that Don Smith, formerly of CenturyLink and

Re: Internet Providers in 111 8th Ave, NYC

2020-07-24 Thread Christopher Morrow
It appears there's not a need to roundtrip through email to verify, so.. like: userid: bernhard.ebb...@wcom.com passwd: pickagreatonehere and.. go along to the map to do your searchings ? On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 4:26 PM Mehmet Akcin wrote: > > We've tried this, disabled google because the

Offer to take over binfiles.net

2020-07-24 Thread Michiel Klaver via NANOG
Hi all, perhaps someone on this list interested in taking over binfiles.net? From time-to-time we all run a wget with some binfiles to test our peering-partners or transit uplinks. A central place to select some binfiles matching those networks would be a nice feature, somewhat similar to

Weekly Routing Table Report

2020-07-24 Thread Routing Analysis Role Account
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. The posting is sent to APOPS, NANOG, AfNOG, SANOG, PacNOG, SAFNOG TZNOG, MENOG, BJNOG, SDNOG, CMNOG, LACNOG and the RIPE Routing WG. Daily listings are sent to

Re: MAP-T in production

2020-07-24 Thread Brian Johnson
I’ve gotten a lot of great feedback and want to restate some of my thoughts for further discussion: 1. It seems like the MAP-T is still in an initial phase of development/production. I’ve seen a few other people mentioning it, but it is early in deployment today. 2. When working with smaller

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

2020-07-24 Thread Mark Tinka
On 24/Jul/20 18:41, William Herrin wrote: > How you parse it depends on your intention when quoting my interview > story with a response about exhibiting curiosity. It was either full > agreement about the value of curiousity or a pointed retort about the > difference between curiosity and

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

2020-07-24 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 12:44 AM Mark Tinka wrote: > On 24/Jul/20 09:32, William Herrin wrote: > > Choosing not to mash one's fingers with a hammer is not an absence of > > curiosity about carpentry. It's merely an understanding that doing > > carpentry well involves -not- mashing one's fingers

Re: Internet Providers in 111 8th Ave, NYC

2020-07-24 Thread Mehmet Akcin
We've tried this, disabled google because the spam came from 1000s of Gmail accounts actually, also had the same issue with Facebook end disabled that.. it's not like we are not trying to solve this, one idea was to create an account demo/demo and let people just login with that without requiring

Re: Internet Providers in 111 8th Ave, NYC

2020-07-24 Thread Mehmet Akcin
You are welcome to get the source code, and run the code yourself without any login and build the database we've built and show us how it's done :) I am confident you will see our challenge right there. On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 8:12 AM Tom Hill wrote: > On 24/07/2020 15:58, Mehmet Akcin wrote: >

Re: Internet Providers in 111 8th Ave, NYC

2020-07-24 Thread Daniel
Isn't that the Level3 Colo? Everyone has a POP there. On 7/24/2020 9:27 AM, Pete Rohrman wrote: Looking for an Internet provider that is in the Level3/CenturyLink space (3rd floor) in 111 8th Ave, New York City.  There are plenty of providers in the building, but I'm trying to avoid riser

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

2020-07-24 Thread Greg Skinner via NANOG
Comments inline. > On Jul 14, 2020, at 3:35 PM, Andrey Khomyakov > wrote: > > I was once asked at a FANG interview how I would affect incoming traffic > using BGP. I listed the usual offenders like AS path and med. He kept asking > how else, to which after pondering I said that I cant think

Re: Internet Providers in 111 8th Ave, NYC

2020-07-24 Thread Alain Hebert
    Well,     I think some are "way too angry" over this.     ( I think there is more pressing issues to get angry about first, don't you think? )     Like the Mehmet said, that's the solution implemented at the moment.  While my plate being full, Google reCcaptcha v3, could be a easy fix

Participate in COVID-19 Paper for BITAG? [NANOG]

2020-07-24 Thread Livingood, Jason
I thought this may be of interest to some of the network operators here on the NANOG list. I am reaching out to solicit interest in participating in the development of a new technical paper from the Broadband Internet Technical Advisory Group (BITAG). In September we will begin work on a short

Re: Internet Providers in 111 8th Ave, NYC

2020-07-24 Thread Tom Hill
On 24/07/2020 15:54, Clayton Zekelman wrote: > If you want to post to this list asking for help, then refusing the > help you get because you don't have the energy or inclination to use > one of the suggestions, then move on. > > I'd suggest that you switch from single malt to decaf. I'd suggest

Re: Internet Providers in 111 8th Ave, NYC

2020-07-24 Thread Tom Hill
On 24/07/2020 15:58, Mehmet Akcin wrote: > Infrapedia is 100% free , all code open source, platform made for > engineers by engineers.  > https://github.com/infrapedia > > I am sure there are lots of room to improve. I appreciate everyone > supporting it. If you want to look at the code and help

Re: Internet Providers in 111 8th Ave, NYC

2020-07-24 Thread J. Hellenthal via NANOG
Paranoid much? Mehemet is an upstanding guy doing the right thing as well as his site of countless very useful information. But considering this wasn’t even for you ... maybe you have a better solution ? -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to

Re: Internet Providers in 111 8th Ave, NYC

2020-07-24 Thread Mehmet Akcin
Infrapedia is 100% free , all code open source, platform made for engineers by engineers. https://github.com/infrapedia I am sure there are lots of room to improve. I appreciate everyone supporting it. If you want to look at the code and help implement a way to block spam bots, without

Re: Internet Providers in 111 8th Ave, NYC

2020-07-24 Thread Clayton Zekelman
Nobody is forcing you to sign up. If you want to use it, sign up. If you don't, then don't sign up. If you want to post to this list asking for help, then refusing the help you get because you don't have the energy or inclination to use one of the suggestions, then move on. I'd suggest

Re: Internet Providers in 111 8th Ave, NYC

2020-07-24 Thread Tom Hill
On 24/07/2020 15:32, Mehmet Akcin wrote: > No harvesting of personal data. > > This was a requirement for us to prevent spam  when requesting quotes > from partner networks.  So your partners demand that you store and process my personal data (anything that can be used to identify an individual)

Re: Internet Providers in 111 8th Ave, NYC

2020-07-24 Thread Mehmet Akcin
No harvesting of personal data. This was a requirement for us to prevent spam when requesting quotes from partner networks. On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 07:22 Tom Hill wrote: > On 24/07/2020 15:16, Mike Hammett wrote: > > and? > > > > Meh. I haven't got the energy. > > But generally speaking, if

Re: Don Smith, RIP.

2020-07-24 Thread John Schiel
Very well said Roland. He cared greatly about this community and was always willing to help others. I personally would not be where I am today without his effort and caring. Thank you Don, I will miss you greatly. --John On 7/23/20 5:22 PM, Dobbins, Roland wrote: It is with a heavy heart

Re: Internet Providers in 111 8th Ave, NYC

2020-07-24 Thread Tom Hill
On 24/07/2020 15:16, Mike Hammett wrote: > and? > Meh. I haven't got the energy. But generally speaking, if you're going to harvest personal data, be more honest about it. -- Tom

Re: Internet Providers in 111 8th Ave, NYC

2020-07-24 Thread Mike Hammett
and? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Tom Hill" To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 9:13:22 AM Subject: Re: Internet Providers in 111 8th Ave, NYC On

Re: Internet Providers in 111 8th Ave, NYC

2020-07-24 Thread Tom Hill
On 24/07/2020 14:45, J. Hellenthal via NANOG wrote: > This might be of assistance…. No, it'll force you to sign-up/sign-in before providing any "assistance". -- Tom

Re: Internet Providers in 111 8th Ave, NYC

2020-07-24 Thread J. Hellenthal via NANOG
This might be of assistance…. https://live.infrapedia.com/app > On Jul 24, 2020, at 08:27, Pete Rohrman wrote: > > Looking for an Internet provider that is in the Level3/CenturyLink space (3rd > floor) in 111 8th Ave, New York City. There are plenty of providers in the > building, but I'm

Re: MAP-T in production

2020-07-24 Thread Tom Hill
On 22/07/2020 22:15, Brian Johnson wrote: > Has anyone implemented a MAP-T solution in production? I am looking > for feedback on this as a deployment strategy for an IPv6 only core > design. My concern is MAP-T CE stability and overhead on the network. > The BR will have to do overloaded NAT

Internet Providers in 111 8th Ave, NYC

2020-07-24 Thread Pete Rohrman
Looking for an Internet provider that is in the Level3/CenturyLink space (3rd floor) in 111 8th Ave, New York City.  There are plenty of providers in the building, but I'm trying to avoid riser costs. Feel free to pass this along to your sales team, and if so, give them my direct number 212

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

2020-07-24 Thread Mark Tinka
On 24/Jul/20 09:59, Peter Kristolaitis wrote:   > > I would suggest that companies who follow FAANG-type development > models actually value both expertise and curiosity, and also throw in > the ability and willingness to rapidly iterate.  Certainly one can > search Google for solutions to

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

2020-07-24 Thread Peter Kristolaitis
On 2020-07-24 3:06 a.m., Mark Tinka wrote: On 24/Jul/20 00:26, William Herrin wrote: Many moons ago, I interviewed at Google. During one of the afternoon sessions the interviewer and I spent about half an hour spitballing approaches for system monitoring problem at scale. I no longer remember

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

2020-07-24 Thread Mark Tinka
On 24/Jul/20 09:53, Wayne Bouchard wrote: > > Well, I take the point of his comment to be not being curious to the > point of inadvertantly doing damage to something that you were better > off leaving alone until you found someone who could clue you in to the > particulars. There are plenty of

Re: Clever use of a decommissioned Datacenter

2020-07-24 Thread Mike Hale
I feel like real estate space in that part of the city is way over-valued to be used for MJ... On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 10:38 PM Norman Jester wrote: > > > > On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:52 PM, Matt Palmer wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:20:10PM -0500, Aaron Wendel wrote: > >> We

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

2020-07-24 Thread Wayne Bouchard
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 09:44:36AM +0200, Mark Tinka wrote: > > > On 24/Jul/20 09:32, William Herrin wrote: > > > Choosing not to mash one's fingers with a hammer is not an absence of > > curiosity about carpentry. It's merely an understanding that doing > > carpentry well involves -not-

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

2020-07-24 Thread Mark Tinka
On 24/Jul/20 09:32, William Herrin wrote: > Choosing not to mash one's fingers with a hammer is not an absence of > curiosity about carpentry. It's merely an understanding that doing > carpentry well involves -not- mashing one's fingers with a hammer. You mean like not poking your finger into

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

2020-07-24 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 12:08 AM Mark Tinka wrote: > I prefer to have staff that are burdened with being curious, rather than > staff who think they don't. After all, all the information is already > out there. Having experience is just as important as being diligent to > obtain it. Choosing not

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

2020-07-24 Thread Mark Tinka
On 24/Jul/20 00:26, William Herrin wrote: > Many moons ago, I interviewed at Google. During one of the afternoon > sessions the interviewer and I spent about half an hour spitballing > approaches for system monitoring problem at scale. I no longer > remember the details. With a little over 15

Re: Tips on dealing with illicit BGP announcements

2020-07-24 Thread Siyuan Miao
Adding a route object in RADB doesn't need to verify ownership of the IP block. You can send a removal request to RADB admins and their upstream, they will be glad to remove it. On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 2:05 PM Randy Carpenter wrote: > > I am working with a client that has recently purchased

Tips on dealing with illicit BGP announcements

2020-07-24 Thread Randy Carpenter
I am working with a client that has recently purchased and transferred an IPv4 block. Sometime in between when the purchase and research was done and when the transfer was actually complete, an entity in Asia started illicitly announcing a larger block that includes the block in question.