Re: Has virtualization become obsolete in 5G?

2020-08-06 Thread Mark Tinka
On 6/Aug/20 21:05, Christopher Morrow wrote: > Isn't this just, really: > 1) some network gear with SDN bits that live on the next-rack over > servers/kubes > 2) services (microservices!) that do the SDN functions AND NFV > functions AND billing > (extending IMS to the edge etc) I ca

Re: ISPs are hit hardest by COVID-19 disruption

2020-08-06 Thread Mark Tinka
On 7/Aug/20 04:46, surfer wrote: > Not that I have seen.  Ours held up just fine.  No more and no less > than normal stuff.  We had to do the 'traffic shuffle' (a new dance > move; no really! :) but that's it.  They quote numbers like they know > every outage on every ISP's network, though. >

Re: ISPs are hit hardest by COVID-19 disruption

2020-08-06 Thread Mark Tinka
On 7/Aug/20 04:30, J. Hellenthal via NANOG wrote: > Just more hype looking to boost marketing You can't blame anyone for trying to make a buck in these Coronavirus times. I've always said that if "research companies" that make their money writing "strategy reports" that cost tens and hundreds

Re: ISPs are hit hardest by COVID-19 disruption

2020-08-06 Thread Mark Tinka
On 7/Aug/20 04:20, Hank Nussbacher wrote: > https://betanews.com/2020/08/04/isps-covid-19-disruption/ > > > Really? > If there's anyone I dislike more than opportunistic sales people that lurk on NOG mailing lists, it's "consultants" who "research" the "telecoms landscape" so they can give you

Re: ISPs are hit hardest by COVID-19 disruption

2020-08-06 Thread surfer
On 8/6/20 4:20 PM, Hank Nussbacher wrote: https://betanews.com/2020/08/04/isps-covid-19-disruption/ Really? - Not that I have seen.  Ours held up just fine.  No more and no less than normal stuff.  We had to do the 'traffic shuffle' (a new dan

Re: ISPs are hit hardest by COVID-19 disruption

2020-08-06 Thread J. Hellenthal via NANOG
Just more hype looking to boost marketing -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. > On Aug 6, 2020, at 21:23, Hank Nussbacher wrote: >

ISPs are hit hardest by COVID-19 disruption

2020-08-06 Thread Hank Nussbacher
https://betanews.com/2020/08/04/isps-covid-19-disruption/ Really? -Hank Caveat: The views expressed above are solely my own and do not express the views or opinions of my employer

Re: Has virtualization become obsolete in 5G?

2020-08-06 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 11:52 AM Mark Tinka wrote: > On 6/Aug/20 17:43, Mel Beckman wrote: > > > I don’t think you’re going to move those volumes with Intel X86 chips. > > For example, AT&T’s Open Compute Project whitebox architecture is > > based on Broadcom Jericho2 processors, with aggregate on

Re: Has virtualization become obsolete in 5G?

2020-08-06 Thread Mark Tinka
On 6/Aug/20 17:43, Mel Beckman wrote: > I don’t think you’re going to move those volumes with Intel X86 chips. > For example, AT&T’s Open Compute Project whitebox architecture is > based on Broadcom Jericho2 processors, with aggregate on-chip > throughput of 9.6 Tbps, and which support 24 ports

Re: Has virtualization become obsolete in 5G?

2020-08-06 Thread Mel Beckman
Mark, I don’t think you’re going to move those volumes with Intel X86 chips. For example, AT&T’s Open Compute Project whitebox architecture is based on Broadcom Jericho2 processors, with aggregate on-chip throughput of 9.6 Tbps, and which support 24 ports at 400 Gbps each. This is where AT&T’s

Re: Has virtualization become obsolete in 5G?

2020-08-06 Thread Mark Tinka
On 6/Aug/20 15:43, Shane Ronan wrote: > Yes they are for 5G core. Right, but for legacy operators, or new entrants? If you know where we can find some info about deployment and experiences, that would be very interesting to read. We've all been struggling to make Intel CPU's shift 10's, 40's

Re: BGP full feed for testing purposes

2020-08-06 Thread Greg Sowell
Sorry, it wasn't a bug; we had power issues at our DC a few days ago and everything didn't come back up clean *sigh*. Please test again when you have a moment. Thanks, Greg On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 4:15 PM Blažej Krajňák wrote: > Hi Lukasz, > > your feed is working well. Feed from Poland to me t

Re: Has virtualization become obsolete in 5G?

2020-08-06 Thread Shane Ronan
Yes they are for 5G core. On Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 11:28 AM Mark Tinka wrote: > > > On 5/Aug/20 17:07, Shane Ronan wrote: > > > I think you'd be surprised how much of the 5G Core is containerized > > for both the data and control planes in the next generations providers > > are currently deploying.

Re: RPKI TAs

2020-08-06 Thread Randy Bush
> https://tal.rpki.ripe.net/ripe-ncc.tal (preferred) looks great visually. stuffed in a dragon validator, just for qa. thanks! randy

Re: RPKI TAs

2020-08-06 Thread Nathalie Trenaman
Hi Randy, all, We’ve updated our page: https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-management/certification/ripe-ncc-rpki-trust-anchor-structure It now shows the correct TALs:

Re: Has virtualization become obsolete in 5G?

2020-08-06 Thread Mark Tinka
On 4/Aug/20 18:05, adamv0...@netconsultings.com wrote: > Yes that's exactly it. > Instead of a VDOM (or whatever is your FW vendor slicing mechanism) give each > customer a FW "instance" (VM/Containerized -if there's such a thing already) > and instantiate it on demand and with resources cus

Re: Has virtualization become obsolete in 5G?

2020-08-06 Thread Mark Tinka
On 5/Aug/20 18:39, Etienne-Victor Depasquale wrote: > > Umm, I don't think so. > At least that's not the impression I got from the CNCF, Intel and Red Hat. > They seem to be striving for K8s without the use of VM hypervisors. Much to learn :-). Mark.

Re: Has virtualization become obsolete in 5G?

2020-08-06 Thread Mark Tinka
On 5/Aug/20 18:34, Etienne-Victor Depasquale wrote: > > Release 16 is just out and if it has delivered the 5G vision,  > latency between devices connected over the same radio interface  > (which I take to mean the same gNB), > is now < 1 ms. > Isn't that a good improvement? Well, I doubt the ra