Re: SRv6

2020-09-22 Thread Paul Timmins



On 9/21/20 6:16 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
yes, privacy is one aspect of security. and, as mpls vns are not 
private sans encryption, they are not secure.

randy


As my backyard is not surrounded by a cement enclosure with acoustic 
baffling and white noise generators inside, it's not really private 
property.




Re: NANOG SPAM (was Re: Just got this apparently fake NANOG invoice - Looks phishy)

2020-09-22 Thread Sabri Berisha
- On Sep 21, 2020, at 6:03 PM, Bryan Fields br...@bryanfields.net wrote:

Hi,

> What's happening here is a subscription comes in from a valid email bot using
> gmail or $BIGHOST (google doesn't give af)

I'm old enough to remember the Usenet Death Penalty. That used to be pretty 
effective
in dealing with sources of net-abuse.

Thanks,

Sabri


ARIN 46 Registration Now Open

2020-09-22 Thread John Curran
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/John

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Re: Cogent emails

2020-09-22 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 07:58:42AM -0500, J. Hellenthal via NANOG wrote:
> geeks@nanog works just fine 

Yes, it works just fine for *that* purpose.   However, *this* has a
different purpose:

Shining a light on ambulance chasers - Noction
https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2020-April/107054.html

---rsk


RE: SRv6

2020-09-22 Thread aaron1
Lol

I was thinking that if I ever need to know about *anything*, I can now just 
google "srv6 nanog"

- Aaron




Re: Cogent emails

2020-09-22 Thread J. Hellenthal via NANOG
geeks@nanog works just fine 

-- 
 J. Hellenthal

The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a 
lot about anticipated traffic volume.

> On Sep 22, 2020, at 07:53, Rich Kulawiec  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 06:30:24PM -0600, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote:
>> Is this simply being aggregated by a NANOG member / subscriber and thus
>> something unofficial?
> 
> That's exactly right.  Whether NANOG itself ever wants to do anything
> with the results is entirely up to them.
> 
> ---rsk


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Re: Cogent emails

2020-09-22 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 06:30:24PM -0600, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote:
> Is this simply being aggregated by a NANOG member / subscriber and thus
> something unofficial?

That's exactly right.  Whether NANOG itself ever wants to do anything
with the results is entirely up to them.

---rsk


Re: BFD for routes learned trough Route-servers in IXPs

2020-09-22 Thread Jared Mauch



> On Sep 22, 2020, at 4:46 AM, Andy Davidson  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Douglas Fisher wrote:
>> B) There is any other alternative to that?
> 
> Don't connect to IXPs with very very large and complicated topologies. 
> Connect to local IXPs where the design makes a forwarding plane failure that 
> causes the problem you describe less likely. 

Or don’t use a route server except to bootstrap.  I regularly see issues 
related to them.  I get it’s not easy to peer at an IXP, but IXP peering isn’t 
for everyone as some people might make it sound.  This is why back in the day 
there was a push to require 24x7 staffing of the remote side to ensure it was 
being monitored/supported.

That may no longer apply to many people, but without active monitoring, you 
won’t know what the state is of the remote side.

- Jared

Re: BFD for routes learned trough Route-servers in IXPs

2020-09-22 Thread Andy Davidson
Hi,

Douglas Fisher wrote:
> B) There is any other alternative to that?

Don't connect to IXPs with very very large and complicated topologies. Connect 
to local IXPs where the design makes a forwarding plane failure that causes the 
problem you describe less likely. 

Andy



Re: SRv6

2020-09-22 Thread Mark Tinka




On 22/Sep/20 00:06, Greg Shepherd wrote:


Call me old, but I miss the days when this thread was still on the SRv6 rails. 
Can we get back the proper bashing to match this thread title?


Probably not off-topic, since vendors may push SRv6 as a(n) (MPLS) VPN 
replacement and new money-maker for operators, all being done in IPv6 
and what-not...


Mark.