Re: cheap MPLS router recommendations

[Ryan Hamel]

It can handle a few full tables, but the performance of an MX80/MX104 is nearly 
the same as the EX4200 switch.

Ryan
On Oct 16 2020, at 4:41 pm, Tony Wicks  wrote:
> Well, there is always the MX104 (if you want redundancy) or MX80 if you 
> don’t. That will give you 80gig wire speed just don’t load it up with more 
> than one full table.
>
>
> From: adamv0...@netconsultings.com 
> Sent: Saturday, 17 October 2020 10:57 am
> To: 'Tony Wicks' 
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: RE: cheap MPLS router recommendations
>
>
>
>
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> For this particular gig even the MX204 would be overkill in terms of price as 
> well as performance.
> Ideally something like 204 but with only those 8 10/1G ports (i.e. without 
> the 4x100G ports)
>
> adam
> From: Tony Wicks mailto:t...@wicks.co.nz)>
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 10:36 PM
> To: adamv0...@netconsultings.com (mailto:adamv0...@netconsultings.com)
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org (mailto:nanog@nanog.org)
> Subject: RE: cheap MPLS router recommendations
>
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>
> Juniper MX204, easy

RE: cheap MPLS router recommendations

[Tony Wicks]

Well, there is always the MX104 (if you want redundancy) or MX80 if you don’t. 
That will give you 80gig wire speed just don’t load it up with more than one 
full table.

 

From: adamv0...@netconsultings.com  
Sent: Saturday, 17 October 2020 10:57 am
To: 'Tony Wicks' 
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: cheap MPLS router recommendations 

 

For this particular gig even the MX204 would be overkill in terms of price as 
well as performance. 

Ideally something like 204 but with only those 8 10/1G ports (i.e. without the 
4x100G ports)

 

adam

From: Tony Wicks mailto:t...@wicks.co.nz> > 
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 10:36 PM
To: adamv0...@netconsultings.com  
Cc: nanog@nanog.org  
Subject: RE: cheap MPLS router recommendations 

 

Juniper MX204, easy

Re: cheap MPLS router recommendations

[Brandon Martin]

Most Arista boxes can do pretty much full MPLS (with appropriate 
honor-system licensing) as long as you don't need full-table Internet PE 
capabilities.  At those bandwidths, you could easily get a used box off 
eBay and put it back under support (for more than you paid for the box) 
if you wanted to save some $$$.


Extreme SLX is essentially the same thing with a different badge and a 
different licensing structure.


An old Brocade (now Extreme) NetIron CER-4X (which is still supported 
and sold but nearing end of useful life for most providers) might even 
meet your needs.  You wouldn't need the enhanced route scale hardware 
which makes them cheap on the secondary market.  Avoid the CES even 
though it ostensibly does what you want.  The MPLS signaling on this 
platform is probably a bit more mature but also perhaps lacking some 
modern niceties.  Cost is probably not compelling if buying new, but IDK 
what they're actually selling them for these days.


Don't expect high-touch features like you might get from an ASR or MX, 
but if you just want to push/pop labels, signal L2/L3VPNs, participate 
in IGP with on-net routes, and move data around, they'll do the job with 
decent North-America facing sales and support facilities.


At those bandwidths and low port counts, you can also potentially use 
FRR or Quagga on Linux or *BSD on a suitably sized PC platform.  Linux 
has usable MPLS support these days, though documentation is a bit 
lacking.  One of the BSDs has had it longer and may be more thoroughly 
documented.

--
Brandon Martin

Re: cheap MPLS router recommendations

[Baldur Norddahl]

Juniper ACX710. Yes it also has more ports, but you only pay for the
capacity you need (100G minimum). So you could buy a license that would
allow you to enable 10x 10G with the 100G ports dormant.

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 11:57 PM  wrote:

> For this particular gig even the MX204 would be overkill in terms of price
> as well as performance.
>
> Ideally something like 204 but with only those 8 10/1G ports (i.e. without
> the 4x100G ports)
>
>
>
> adam
>
> *From:* Tony Wicks 
> *Sent:* Friday, October 16, 2020 10:36 PM
> *To:* adamv0...@netconsultings.com
> *Cc:* nanog@nanog.org
> *Subject:* RE: cheap MPLS router recommendations
>
>
>
> Juniper MX204, easy
>
>
>
> *From:* NANOG  *On Behalf Of *
> adamv0...@netconsultings.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, 17 October 2020 10:31 am
> *To:* 'Jakub Horn (jakuhorn)' ; nanog@nanog.org
> *Subject:* RE: cheap MPLS router recommendations
>
>
>
> Yeah the XR thing would be great but NCS540 would be too expensive and too
> much throughput meaning draws too much power,
>
>
>
> adam
>

Re: Virginia voter registration down due to cable cut

[Mark Andrews]

It’s not the population. It’s the number of positions/things you are voting 
for.   New Zealand doesn’t vote for sheriffs, judges, mayors etc. AFAIK so 
there is much less to count.  More population should lead to more polling 
stations. These need to be collated but that is a relatively quick job compared 
to counting the votes. 

Timezone spread also makes the night longer.  If you have a result within 2 
hours of the Hawaiian polls closing you are on par. 

-- 
Mark Andrews

> On 17 Oct 2020, at 07:49, Alain Hebert  wrote:
> 
>  Hi,
> 
> Beside being:
> 
> . a country with 1/10th of the population;
> 
> . centralized voting rules;
> 
> . ...
> 
> 
> PS: And there is a lot in that  about the (publicly) unreal 
> amount of insanity being pulled by the GOP  this year.
> 
> -
> Alain Hebertaheb...@pubnix.net   
> PubNIX Inc.
> 50 boul. St-Charles
> P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7
> Tel: 514-990-5911  http://www.pubnix.netFax: 514-990-9443
> On 2020-10-16 02:36, Sean Donelan wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, Valdis Klētnieks wrote: 
>>> my reaction was more like 
>>>  
>>> Surprise, surprise, surprise... 
>>>  
>> 
>> S.N.A.F.U. 
>> 
>> Other SNAFUs, Georgia had technical problems with its voter database systems 
>> during the first couple of days of early voting. Expect all sorts of minor 
>> problems throughout the election and afterwards. Nonetheless they are 
>> unlikely to significantly impact the results (hopefully), but will generate 
>> lots of noise. 
>> 
>> Its not just underfunded state I.T. systems.  Even very large social media 
>> companies can have technical Oopsies.  Again, hopefully Twitter won't fall 
>> down again during the evening of November 3rd.  The digeratti will lose 
>> thier minds. 
>> 
>> Even if Twitter or another major social media platform does go belly-up, 
>> most likely it will be a normal technical problem.  Wishing the FBI & CISA & 
>> OGAs watch officers a very boring night on November 3rd. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> In other news, New Zealand is having national elections this weekend.  New 
>> Zealand is usually ranked in the top 10 best election administrations 
>> worldwide. NZ expects to have the majority of ballots counted within 2 hours 
>> of their polls closing on Saturday evening. 
>> 
>> Jealous of the Kiwis and their competently run elections. :-) 
> 

RE: cheap MPLS router recommendations

[adamv0025]

For this particular gig even the MX204 would be overkill in terms of price as 
well as performance. 

Ideally something like 204 but with only those 8 10/1G ports (i.e. without the 
4x100G ports)

 

adam

From: Tony Wicks  
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 10:36 PM
To: adamv0...@netconsultings.com
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: cheap MPLS router recommendations 

 

Juniper MX204, easy

 

From: NANOG mailto:nanog-bounces+tony=wicks.co...@nanog.org> > On Behalf Of 
adamv0...@netconsultings.com  
Sent: Saturday, 17 October 2020 10:31 am
To: 'Jakub Horn (jakuhorn)' mailto:jakuh...@cisco.com> >; 
nanog@nanog.org  
Subject: RE: cheap MPLS router recommendations 

 

Yeah the XR thing would be great but NCS540 would be too expensive and too much 
throughput meaning draws too much power,

 

adam 

RE: cheap MPLS router recommendations

[Tony Wicks]

Juniper MX204, easy

 

From: NANOG  On Behalf Of 
adamv0...@netconsultings.com
Sent: Saturday, 17 October 2020 10:31 am
To: 'Jakub Horn (jakuhorn)' ; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: cheap MPLS router recommendations 

 

Yeah the XR thing would be great but NCS540 would be too expensive and too much 
throughput meaning draws too much power,

 

adam 

RE: cheap MPLS router recommendations

[adamv0025]

Yeah the XR thing would be great but NCS540 would be too expensive and too much 
throughput meaning draws too much power,

 

adam 

 

From: Jakub Horn (jakuhorn)  
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 10:08 PM
To: adamv0...@netconsultings.com; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: cheap MPLS router recommendations 

 

If cisco, I wouldn’t consider 920… I think NCS540 is better option.

XR based, feature rich  and here are different models supporting different BW, 
different port density…

I think price/performance ratio is superb!

 

For better evaluation you should be more specific about scale, precise about 
required features…..

 

Disclaimer: cisco employee…..

 

Cheers

-j

 

From: NANOG mailto:nanog-bounces+jakuhorn=cisco@nanog.org> > on behalf of 
"adamv0...@netconsultings.com  " 
mailto:adamv0...@netconsultings.com> >
Date: Friday, 16 October 2020 at 22:59
To: "nanog@nanog.org  " mailto:nanog@nanog.org> >
Subject: cheap MPLS router recommendations 

 

Hi folks,

 

I’m looking for recommendations on a cheap MPLS router (L3VPNs RSVP-TE and BFD).

Around 60G throughput would do , heck even 30G. 

Few 1/10G ports.

But netconf yang is almost a must.

 

You know something like asr920 or juniper equivalent, but something that that 
is not EoS or EoL

Oh and something not from China (you know, bad PR)… 

 

Any pointers much appreciated.

 

adam

 

 

cheap MPLS router recommendations

[adamv0025]

Hi folks,

 

I'm looking for recommendations on a cheap MPLS router (L3VPNs RSVP-TE and
BFD).

Around 60G throughput would do , heck even 30G. 

Few 1/10G ports.

But netconf yang is almost a must.

 

You know something like asr920 or juniper equivalent, but something that
that is not EoS or EoL

Oh and something not from China (you know, bad PR). 

 

Any pointers much appreciated.

 

adam

 

 

Re: Virginia voter registration down due to cable cut

[Alain Hebert]

    Hi,

    Beside being:

        . a country with 1/10th of the population;

        . centralized voting rules;

        . ...


    PS: And there is a lot in that  about the (publicly) 
unreal amount of insanity being pulled by the GOP  this year.


-
Alain Hebertaheb...@pubnix.net
PubNIX Inc.
50 boul. St-Charles
P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7
Tel: 514-990-5911  http://www.pubnix.netFax: 514-990-9443

On 2020-10-16 02:36, Sean Donelan wrote:

On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, Valdis Klētnieks wrote:

my reaction was more like

Surprise, surprise, surprise...



S.N.A.F.U.

Other SNAFUs, Georgia had technical problems with its voter database 
systems during the first couple of days of early voting. Expect all 
sorts of minor problems throughout the election and afterwards. 
Nonetheless they are unlikely to significantly impact the results 
(hopefully), but will generate lots of noise.


Its not just underfunded state I.T. systems.  Even very large social 
media companies can have technical Oopsies.  Again, hopefully Twitter 
won't fall down again during the evening of November 3rd.  The 
digeratti will lose thier minds.


Even if Twitter or another major social media platform does go 
belly-up, most likely it will be a normal technical problem. Wishing 
the FBI & CISA & OGAs watch officers a very boring night on November 3rd.




In other news, New Zealand is having national elections this weekend.  
New Zealand is usually ranked in the top 10 best election 
administrations worldwide. NZ expects to have the majority of ballots 
counted within 2 hours of their polls closing on Saturday evening.


Jealous of the Kiwis and their competently run elections. :-)

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Analysis Summary


BGP routing table entries examined:  826808
Prefixes after maximum aggregation (per Origin AS):  316287
Deaggregation factor:  2.61
Unique aggregates announced (without unneeded subnets):  398073
Total ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 69668
Prefixes per ASN: 11.87
Origin-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:   59882
Origin ASes announcing only one prefix:   24808
Transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:9786
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Max AS path length visible:  30
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Equivalent to 170 /8s, 152 /16s and 134 /24s
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APNIC Region Analysis Summary
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Prefixes being announced by APNIC Region ASes:   215877
Total APNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation:   63380
APNIC Deaggregation factor:3.41
Prefixes being announced from the APNIC address blocks:  211415
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APNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:   10936
APNIC Prefixes per ASN:   19.33
APNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix:   3078
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   58368-59391, 63488-64098, 64297-64395, 131072-141625
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   106/8, 110/8, 111/8, 112/8, 113/8, 114/8, 115/8,
   116/8, 117/8, 118/8, 119/8, 120/8, 121/8, 122/8,
   123/8, 124/8, 125/8, 126/8, 133/8, 150/8, 153/8,
   163/8, 171/8, 175/8, 180/8, 182/8, 183/8, 202/8,
   203/8, 210/8, 211/8, 218/8, 219/8, 220/8, 221/8,
   222/8, 223/8,

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Prefixes being announced by ARIN Region ASes:241443
Total ARIN prefixes after maximum aggregation:   111305
ARIN Deaggregation factor: 2.17
Prefixes being announced from the ARIN address blocks:   239298
Unique aggregates announced from the ARIN address blocks:116619
ARIN Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:18628
ARIN Prefixes per ASN:12.85
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Re: Looking for a contact at Twitter

[Mike Hammett]

If you get a response from Twitter with where to go, let me know so I can add 
it to our list. 


http://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/ 







- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Ariën Vijn via NANOG"  
To: nanog@nanog.org 
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 3:44:58 PM 
Subject: Looking for a contact at Twitter 

Greetings, 

I am looking for somebody working for Twitter. I am working for a small ISP in 
the Netherlands (AS 206238). 

Our problem is that Twitter's geolocation database still situates some our IPv4 
blocks in the United Arab Emirates. This renders Twitter unusable for some of 
our customers. 

We are looking for somebody that can help us with this Please contact me 
outside the ML. 

Thanks in advance, 

-- Ariën 

A study on community-triggered updates in BGP

[Thomas Krenc]

Dear NANOG,

As a team of researchers from NPS and TU Berlin, we are investigating
the impact of BGP community attributes on the update behavior between ASes.

We find that when a route is associated with multiple distinct community
attributes it does not only lead to multiple announcement at the tagging
AS, but also at neighboring ASes, if communities are not filtered
properly. This behavior is wide-spread.

In order to better understand our observations, we have performed a
series of laboratory experiments using Cisco IOS, Junos OS, as well as
the BIRD daemon.

We find that - by default - all tested routers generate announcements
with changing community attributes, even when other attributes do not
change. In addition, when communities are filtered at egress, Cisco und
BIRD send duplicate announcements (Juniper does not).

Since our findings are limited to observations in public data as well as
few router implementations, we would like to share our research and
kindly ask you to have a look at:

    https://www.cmand.org/communityexploration/

There, we provide some resources documenting our research, as well as
open questions. We greatly appreciate any feedback and insights you can
offer. Also, please don't hesitate to contact us directly:

    communityexploration AT cmand DOT org

best regards

Thomas Krenc
Postdoctoral Researcher
Naval Postgraduate School

Re: RFC 2468

[Melchior Aelmans]

Thanks for sharing Rodney!

Regards,
Melchior

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 6:05 AM Rodney Joffe  wrote:

> It is especially fitting whenever the NANOG/ARIN joint meetings occur in
> the same week that we “remember IANA”.
>
> As time has gone on, fewer and fewer of us actually know who J. Postel is
> - that name that appears at the end of so many RFC’s we refer to every day.
> The same person who also guided the management of names and numbers in the
> “early” days of this grand experiment we’re still struggling to get “right”.
>
> Today (Friday, October 16) is 22 years since Jon Postel passed away. I
> won’t start to list the rest of the pioneers we’ve lost since then - its
> obviously getting longer and longer. But I think its worth pointing
> “newcomers" at Vint’s RFC2468 (https://tools.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2468.txt) as
> the starting point for them (you) to understand the importance of Jon’s
> legacy as a moral compass to help guide some of the decisions being made or
> ignored during this week. And obviously other weeks and decisions that
> follow.
>
> Jon was my mentor, colleague, business partner, and friend. And along with
> his other friends still on this list, I miss him a lot. It hasn’t been the
> same without him.
>
> /rlj

Re: Virginia voter registration down due to cable cut

[Sean Donelan]

On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, Valdis Klētnieks wrote:

my reaction was more like

Surprise, surprise, surprise...



S.N.A.F.U.

Other SNAFUs, Georgia had technical problems with its voter database 
systems during the first couple of days of early voting. Expect all sorts 
of minor problems throughout the election and afterwards. Nonetheless they 
are unlikely to significantly impact the results (hopefully), but will 
generate lots of noise.


Its not just underfunded state I.T. systems.  Even very large social media 
companies can have technical Oopsies.  Again, hopefully Twitter won't 
fall down again during the evening of November 3rd.  The digeratti will 
lose thier minds.


Even if Twitter or another major social media platform does go belly-up, 
most likely it will be a normal technical problem.  Wishing the FBI & CISA 
& OGAs watch officers a very boring night on November 3rd.




In other news, New Zealand is having national elections this weekend.  New 
Zealand is usually ranked in the top 10 best election administrations 
worldwide. NZ expects to have the majority of ballots counted within 2 
hours of their polls closing on Saturday evening.


Jealous of the Kiwis and their competently run elections. :-)