Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues

2020-11-17 Thread Valdis Klētnieks 
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 10:02:01 -0800, Jay Hennigan said:

> In the old days on the NANAE newsgroup, such bogus threats of legal
> action were categorized as one calling their "cartooney". People who
> huff and puff and threaten to sue rarely do so. If someone actually
> plans on suing you, your first hint is typically a knock on the door by
> a process server, not repeated threats in an online forum.

Right.  The thing is that unless you're party to the lawsuit, you don't
know if a process server has been involved.

Somebody else replied by private email and pointed where the AfriNIC
CEO wrote that they had, in fact, actually been sued.   So whatever one
might think of Elad Cohen, he's apparently not a cartooney.


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Fwd: Phoenix-IX Contact

2020-11-17 Thread Paul Emmons 

still trying to post . . .


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Subject:Re: Phoenix-IX Contact
Date:   Mon, 16 Nov 2020 13:15:34 -0700
From:   Paul Emmons 
To: nanog@nanog.org



Hello All!

I've been out of the loop here and but have some updates.

There was a change last spring and I moved on to other projects.  But 
that hasn't worked out for the IX.


I  have regained access to all of the elements, including the email and 
voip.  Let me reach out to each of you offline in the coming days.


I have been able to reach out to a few locals that are willing to help 
get the project back up to where it needs to be.


If I haven;t reached out to you in the next 48 hours or you have 
something urgent, please reach out to me here (my personal email) or via 
the Phoenix-IX Contacts


peer...@phoenix-ix.net

+1 602 688-6414

~Paul Emmons
On 11/16/2020 12:23 PM, Neil Hanlon wrote:
While I agree it is objectively irresponsible to abandon a project 
without passing it to another, I think that possibly in this situation 
we don't know all the details?


2020 has been a difficult year for everyone. Perhaps Paul (and 
whomever else may be responsible for Phoenix-IX) were subject to 
things this year beyond their control which led them to be unable to 
work on the project and unable to transfer it, either.. unfortunate, 
yes.. but not malicious surely.


If Paul _is_ reading these messages.. I think support is the best path 
forward.. If there are things that can be done to assist/take over the 
IX... maybe that would help (as you, Kate, had offered towards the 
beginning of this all). Though of course, the first step is _reaching_ 
them... Maybe this can be turned into a "win" for everyone. So: 
Paul/Phoenix-IX -- let the NANOG community know how they/we can help.


--
Neil

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 2:05 PM Kate Gerry > wrote:


An update on my side, we reached out to PhoenixNAP, one of the
Phoenix-IX's vendors.

PhoenixNAP reached out all of their contacts at Phoenix-IX and
have received no response. They are in as much of the dark as the
rest of us. I feel like I'm on the Ghost ship Phoenix-IX.

What I don't understand, is how somebody could abandon a project
without passing it to another person or entity. This is extremely
irresponsible.

—
Kate


On Nov 12, 2020, at 05:11, Marcus Josephson mailto:mjoseph...@inap.com>> wrote:

I tried to get a link to PHX-IX for months. Never heard back from
them, went with Digital Realty Phoenix
*From:*NANOG mailto:nanog-bounces+mjosephson=inap@nanog.org>>*On Behalf
Of*Kate Gerry
*Sent:*Tuesday, November 10, 2020 11:06 AM
*To:*Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
*Cc:*nanog@nanog.org  list
mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>
*Subject:*Re: Phoenix-IX Contact
Matt,
I am running on a huge assumption here, but I think Phoenix-IX
runs on donated infrastructure. From what I recall, there was
only an NRC to join Phoenix-IX.
And in regards to Walt's suggestion, it looks like HE already
started one with Stellar Technologies. https://48ix.net
 but it is only in a single facility. So until
that IX grows, both in peers and footprint, I'm stuck on Phoenix-IX.
I have wondered what happens if a participant storms the IX. Will
somebody appear? Because attempts to reach their NOC/peering
handles has resulted in a lack of response.
I also wonder how the other Ninja-IX exchanges are running, I
haven't heard anything about them, is there the same lack of
communication? Or do those have a local staff?
—
Kate


On Nov 10, 2020, at 06:15, Matt Hoppes
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:
How is the IX still running?  Surely someone must be paying
colo rent?

On 11/10/20 9:03 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

Always a good time for network operators to consider the
risks of having any one person as a single point of
failure for something kind of important:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor

Disaster recovery and continuity of business plans should
always include the concept of what if some percentage of
the key team members were to be suddenly unavailable
permanently (the Malaysian airline incident, for example).
On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 8:08 PM Kate Gerry
mailto:kge...@outlook.com
>>
wrote:
   Is there anybody else even there? I thought that it
was all Paul's show!
   If I was able to (as in, had access to), I would offer
to help/run
   with the IX. I may live in California, but it's a
realistic car tri

Spectrum (AS33363) Clue?

2020-11-17 Thread Bryan Fields 
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Is there anyone at Spectrum business with clue who can contact me off list
regarding some peering issues in your network?  I have several customers
seeing 150ms of latency due to traffic bouncing between east and west coasts
to go across the room.  This is between routers both in TAMSFLDE.

Support has said this is "normal" and refused to escalate it.  Some quick
testing with RIPE Atlas probes shows it's the same across 33363.

Thanks,
- -- 
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net
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Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues

2020-11-17 Thread Jay Hennigan 

On 11/16/20 19:04, Valdis Klētnieks wrote:

On Mon, 16 Nov 2020 09:22:33 +, Elad Cohen said:


Did I start legal proceedings with AfriNIC with conspiracy theories or with 
facts and data?


OK.. I'll probably end up regretting this, but...

Is there any actual independently verifiable proof that legal proceeding have 
been started?


In the old days on the NANAE newsgroup, such bogus threats of legal 
action were categorized as one calling their "cartooney". People who 
huff and puff and threaten to sue rarely do so. If someone actually 
plans on suing you, your first hint is typically a knock on the door by 
a process server, not repeated threats in an online forum.


--
Jay Hennigan - j...@west.net
Network Engineering - CCIE #7880
503 897-8550 - WB6RDV

Re: Apple Catalina Appears to Introduce Massive Jitter - SOLVED!

2020-11-17 Thread David Hubbard 
The leaking past the VPN thing is pretty obnoxious.  There are people who may 
be subject to policy and/or regulatory requirements that don’t permit split 
tunnels (even if supposedly not in userspace), so it will be interesting to see 
what burdens the use of an OS that intentionally leaks data will place on 
certain companies.  In contrast, it’s pretty funny that while they let their 
own data collection apps leak past a tunnel to call home, they do not let the 
link local ipv6 traffic that Sidecar uses leak past a non-split VPN; i.e. if 
I’m on corporate VPN, I can no longer connect my tablet as a Sidecar monitor to 
my Macbook because that traffic is blocked.


From: NANOG  on behalf 
of Mark Tinka 
Organization: SEACOM
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 2:37 AM
To: Saku Ytti 
Cc: North American Network Operators Group 
Subject: Re: Apple Catalina Appears to Introduce Massive Jitter - SOLVED!


On 11/17/20 09:26, Saku Ytti wrote:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202491

I am not trying to make any argument, just wanted to add context.

Yes, saw that too, and that post by Apple is also highlighted (and explained) 
in the same report.

The Gatekeeper OCSP checks remain unencrypted.

It still leave two glaring issues:

  *   Apple are still not saying anything about their OS apps bypassing local 
firewalls and leaking our IP address and location past any VPN's we may be 
running on Big Sur.

  *   The backdoor in iMessage's encryption that allows Apple and other 
"interested parties" to view our iMessage texts.
Mark.

Re: Telia Not Withdrawing v6 Routes

2020-11-17 Thread Mark Tinka 




On 11/17/20 08:54, Saku Ytti wrote:


I put most of the blame on the market, we've modelled commercial
router market so that poor quality NOS is good for business and good
quality NOS is bad for business, I don't think this is in anyone's
formal business plan or that companies even realise they are not even
trying to make good NOS. I think it's emergent behaviour due to the
market and people follow that market demand unknowingly.
If we suddenly had one commercial NOS which is 100% bug free, many of
their customers would stop buying support, would rely on spare HW and
Internet forums for configuration help.


Not to mention that many of us would not need to be around to babysit 
all this dodgy software.


Definitely bad for business :-).

Mark.

Re: Phoenix-IX Contact

2020-11-17 Thread Paul Emmons 

Hello All!

I've been out of the loop here and but have some updates.

There was a change last spring and I moved on to other projects. But 
that hasn't worked out for the IX.


I  have regained access to all of the elements, including the email and 
voip.  Let me reach out to each of you offline in the coming days.


I have been able to reach out to a few locals that are willing to help 
get the project back up to where it needs to be.


If I haven;t reached out to you in the next 48 hours or you have 
something urgent, please reach out to me here (my personal email) or via 
the Phoenix-IX Contacts


peer...@phoenix-ix.net

+1 602 688-6414

~Paul Emmons
On 11/16/2020 12:23 PM, Neil Hanlon wrote:
While I agree it is objectively irresponsible to abandon a project 
without passing it to another, I think that possibly in this situation 
we don't know all the details?


2020 has been a difficult year for everyone. Perhaps Paul (and 
whomever else may be responsible for Phoenix-IX) were subject to 
things this year beyond their control which led them to be unable to 
work on the project and unable to transfer it, either.. unfortunate, 
yes.. but not malicious surely.


If Paul _is_ reading these messages.. I think support is the best path 
forward.. If there are things that can be done to assist/take over the 
IX... maybe that would help (as you, Kate, had offered towards the 
beginning of this all). Though of course, the first step is _reaching_ 
them... Maybe this can be turned into a "win" for everyone. So: 
Paul/Phoenix-IX -- let the NANOG community know how they/we can help.


--
Neil

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 2:05 PM Kate Gerry > wrote:


An update on my side, we reached out to PhoenixNAP, one of the
Phoenix-IX's vendors.

PhoenixNAP reached out all of their contacts at Phoenix-IX and
have received no response. They are in as much of the dark as the
rest of us. I feel like I'm on the Ghost ship Phoenix-IX.

What I don't understand, is how somebody could abandon a project
without passing it to another person or entity. This is extremely
irresponsible.

—
Kate


On Nov 12, 2020, at 05:11, Marcus Josephson mailto:mjoseph...@inap.com>> wrote:

I tried to get a link to PHX-IX for months. Never heard back from
them, went with Digital Realty Phoenix
*From:*NANOG mailto:nanog-bounces+mjosephson=inap@nanog.org>>*On Behalf
Of*Kate Gerry
*Sent:*Tuesday, November 10, 2020 11:06 AM
*To:*Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
*Cc:*nanog@nanog.org  list
mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>
*Subject:*Re: Phoenix-IX Contact
Matt,
I am running on a huge assumption here, but I think Phoenix-IX
runs on donated infrastructure. From what I recall, there was
only an NRC to join Phoenix-IX.
And in regards to Walt's suggestion, it looks like HE already
started one with Stellar Technologies. https://48ix.net
 but it is only in a single facility. So until
that IX grows, both in peers and footprint, I'm stuck on Phoenix-IX.
I have wondered what happens if a participant storms the IX. Will
somebody appear? Because attempts to reach their NOC/peering
handles has resulted in a lack of response.
I also wonder how the other Ninja-IX exchanges are running, I
haven't heard anything about them, is there the same lack of
communication? Or do those have a local staff?
—
Kate


On Nov 10, 2020, at 06:15, Matt Hoppes
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:
How is the IX still running?  Surely someone must be paying
colo rent?

On 11/10/20 9:03 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

Always a good time for network operators to consider the
risks of having any one person as a single point of
failure for something kind of important:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor

Disaster recovery and continuity of business plans should
always include the concept of what if some percentage of
the key team members were to be suddenly unavailable
permanently (the Malaysian airline incident, for example).
On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 8:08 PM Kate Gerry
mailto:kge...@outlook.com
>>
wrote:
   Is there anybody else even there? I thought that it
was all Paul's show!
   If I was able to (as in, had access to), I would offer
to help/run
   with the IX. I may live in California, but it's a
realistic car trip
   back and forth to Phoenix.
   --
   Kate

   On Nov 9, 2020, at 17:58, Mike Hammett
mailto:na...@ics-il.net

Re: Telia Not Withdrawing v6 Routes

2020-11-17 Thread Markus Weber (FvD) 

On 17.11.2020 around 02:36 Sabri Berisha wrote:

Interesting. A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away, where I was a
JTAC engineer, policy was that once a PR was hit in the field, it
would be marked public.

Also, in the case that I described it wasn't a Junos device. Makes me
wonder how bugs like that get introduced. One would expect that after
20+ years of writing BGP code, handling a withdrawl would be
easy-peasy.


New code, new features, new problems. E.g. public PR1323306 describes a 
BGP stuck situation. (And the fixed code should address as well a - 
hidden - PR, which causes down/stale sessions, leading to stuck routes 
even without a both-side GRES event). All very, very special cases ... 
but some of us will find / get hit by them (unfortunately).


Markus

Re: Apple Catalina Appears to Introduce Massive Jitter - SOLVED!

2020-11-17 Thread Saku Ytti 
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 at 09:35, Mark Tinka  wrote:

> Yes, saw that too, and that post by Apple is also highlighted (and explained) 
> in the same report.

Aah, I had not seen the updated version of it, thanks.

-- 
  ++ytti