Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-16 Thread bzs
> On Tue, 16 Feb 2021, John Kristoff wrote: > > > Friends, > > > > I'd like to start a thread about the most famous and widespread Internet > > operational issues, outages or implementation incompatibilities you > > have seen. > > When Boston University joined the internet proper ca

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Karl Auer
On Wed, 2021-02-17 at 00:27 -0500, Peter Beckman wrote: > Buried lines makes sense where it makes sense. Aesthetically, burying lines always makes sense. Sadly not enough communities (and definitely too few governments) place any value on aesthetics at all. I've never heard anyone, ever,

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Peter Beckman
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021, Rod Beck wrote: Are the power lines buried like in Europe where I live? I really think using poles is crazy and global warming guarantees enough atmospheric turbulence to make it untenable. Florida is moving to bury power lines. Only 41% of European lines are

RE: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Peter Beckman
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021, Robert Jacobs wrote: How about letting us Texans have more natural gas power plants or even let the gas be delivered to the plants we have so they can provide more power in an emergency. Did not help that 20% of our power is now wind which of course in an ice storm like we

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: dumb question: are any of the RIR's out of IPv4 addresses?

2021-02-16 Thread Mann, Jason via NANOG
Any recommendations for legitimate ip brokers? From: NANOG on behalf of Michael Thomas Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 5:46 PM To: Fred Baker Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: dumb question: are any of the RIR's out of IPv4 addresses? On 2/16/21

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Kevin East
100%. Our system has been on stage 2 aux heat (electric) ever since we dropped below 24 or so. Usually we might see it for a few hours on the coldest nights. I'd say most people are probably pulling full summer load +20%. On Tue, Feb 16, 2021, 5:10 PM Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 2/16/21 09:49,

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Marco Belmonte
Can you let us know how you access the information you are seeing for Texas? I went to the website and can't find anything that allows me to actually view some data other than a twitter feed. On 2/15/2021 5:53 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: Not as bad as Myanmar (14%), Internet connectivity in Texas

Re: dumb question: are any of the RIR's out of IPv4 addresses?

2021-02-16 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 4:47 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > So aside from Afrinic, this is all being done on the gray market? Hi Mike, No. The market is fully above board with policies written into the RIR operations to intentionally support its existence. In the ARIN region that's things like the

Re: dumb question: are any of the RIR's out of IPv4 addresses?

2021-02-16 Thread Eric Kuhnke
That depends on your definition of grey market, there is an officially approved ARIN IP block transfer process for people who are buying, via brokers, discrete /24s and larger. On Tue, Feb 16, 2021, 4:46 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > > On 2/16/21 4:18 PM, Fred Baker wrote: > > You may find this

Re: Starlink

2021-02-16 Thread A. Pishdadi
Did anyone from starlink contact you? I would like someone to contact me also. On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 6:45 PM Robert DeVita wrote: > Can someone from Starlink please contact me off list? > > > > Thank you > > > > Rob > > > > > > [image: photo] > > Robert DeVita > CEO & Founder > >

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-16 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 01:37:35PM -0600, John Kristoff wrote: > Which examples would make up your top three? Morris worm, November 1988. Much confusion and eventually the realization the John Brunner had called it from 13 years out ("The Shockwave Rider", 1975). But sloppy coding meant it could

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-16 Thread Richard Golodner
That was the one with the most severe imact for my company. Seven Frame Circuits (UUNET) and we all saw what an updtae can do On 2/16/21 3:28 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: Since you said operational issues, instead of just outage... How about MCI Worldcom's 10-day operational disaster in 1999.

Re: dumb question: are any of the RIR's out of IPv4 addresses?

2021-02-16 Thread Michael Thomas
On 2/16/21 4:18 PM, Fred Baker wrote: You may find this article interesting: https://blog.apnic.net/2019/12/13/keep-calm-and-carry-on-the-status-of-ipv4-address-allocation/ So aside from

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Haudy Kazemi via NANOG
On Tue, Feb 16, 2021, 17:12 Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 2/16/21 09:49, Michael Thomas wrote: > > > > On 2/16/21 8:50 AM, John Von Essen wrote: > >> I just assumed most people in Texas have heat pumps- AC in the summer > >> and minimal heating in the winter when needed. When the entire state > >>

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Fred Baker
True, Sean, but Texas has its own ISO. The counterpart wouldn’t be “Delaware has rolling blackouts”, but “The Eastern ISO has following blackouts”. Sent from my iPad > On Feb 15, 2021, at 8:49 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: > >  > >> On Tue, 16 Feb 2021, Cory Sell via NANOG wrote: >> adoption.

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: dumb question: are any of the RIR's out of IPv4 addresses?

2021-02-16 Thread Elvis Daniel Velea
Hi, > On Feb 16, 2021, at 15:42, Mann, Jason via NANOG wrote: > >  > Are their legtimate websites to go to purchase new blocks? look at https://www.v4escrow.com as it may be what you are looking for. Elvis > > From: NANOG on behalf of Jennifer > Sims > Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021

Re: dumb question: are any of the RIR's out of IPv4 addresses?

2021-02-16 Thread Fred Baker
You may find this article interesting: https://blog.apnic.net/2019/12/13/keep-calm-and-carry-on-the-status-of-ipv4-address-allocation/ Sent from my iPad > On Feb 16, 2021, at 3:07 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: > >  > Basically are there places that you can't get allocations? If so, what is >

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: dumb question: are any of the RIR's out of IPv4 addresses?

2021-02-16 Thread Niels Bakker
* nanog@nanog.org (Mann, Jason via NANOG) [Wed 17 Feb 2021, 00:44 CET]: Are their legtimate websites to go to purchase new blocks? IPv4 is not like Bitcoin, new addresses aren't being mined using gigantic amounts of electricity at enormous environmental cost. -- Niels.

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Brett Frankenberger
On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 08:02:38AM +0200, Mark Tinka wrote: > > On 2/16/21 07:49, Matthew Petach wrote: > > > Isn't that a result of ERCOT stubbornly refusing to interconnect with > > the rest of the national grid, out of an irrational fear of coming under > > federal regulation? > > > > I

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-16 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 17 Feb 2021, at 09:51, Sean Donelan wrote: > > > Biggest internet operational SUCCESS > > 1. Secure Shell (SSH) replaced TELNET. Nearly eliminated an entire class of > security problems on the Internet. But then HTTP took over everything, so a > good news/bad news. > > 2. Internet

Re: dumb question: are any of the RIR's out of IPv4 addresses?

2021-02-16 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 8:06 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > > Basically are there places that you can't get allocations? If so, what > is happening? > > In LAC region (LACNIC, NIC.br and NIC.mx), the controlled depletion phases are now complete and the RIR reached 0 available IPv4 addresses,

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: dumb question: are any of the RIR's out of IPv4 addresses?

2021-02-16 Thread Mann, Jason via NANOG
Are their legtimate websites to go to purchase new blocks? From: NANOG on behalf of Jennifer Sims Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 4:10 PM To: Michael Thomas Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: dumb question: are any of the RIR's out of IPv4

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-16 Thread Joe
If were just talking about outages historically, I recall the 1996 AOL Email debacle, not really anything to do with network mishaps but more so DNS configuration.. As well, I believe the North East 2003 blackout was a great DR test that no one was expecting. Of course we also have the big

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Michael Thomas
On 2/16/21 3:19 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote: - On Feb 16, 2021, at 6:28 AM, Michael Thomas m...@mtcc.com wrote: We use propane. It's less dense energy-wise than gasoline, but it's really easy to switch over. Why not use both? Plenty of generators that are dual fuel out there. Last year I

Re: dumb question: are any of the RIR's out of IPv4 addresses?

2021-02-16 Thread George Michaelson
On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 9:21 AM Christopher Morrow wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 6:06 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > > > > > > Basically are there places that you can't get allocations? If so, what > > is happening? > > isn't the answer to this: > "All except AFRNic announced their pools were

Re: dumb question: are any of the RIR's out of IPv4 addresses?

2021-02-16 Thread George Michaelson
APNIC continues to have a final /8 policy and can allocate or assign up to a /23 to new entrants from its holdings. APNIC reclaims unused IP addresses. https://www.apnic.net/manage-ip/ipv4-exhaustion/ On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 9:15 AM Jennifer Sims wrote: > > Pretty sure APNIC is out of

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Sabri Berisha
- On Feb 16, 2021, at 6:28 AM, Michael Thomas m...@mtcc.com wrote: > We use propane. It's less dense energy-wise than gasoline, but it's > really easy to switch over. Why not use both? Plenty of generators that are dual fuel out there. Last year I converted my Duramax to dual fuel by

Re: dumb question: are any of the RIR's out of IPv4 addresses?

2021-02-16 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 3:07 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > Basically are there places that you can't get allocations? All of them except possibly Afrinic. > If so, what > is happening? You find someone who has listed their IP addresses for sale via a broker, buy them, and then request a specified

Re: dumb question: are any of the RIR's out of IPv4 addresses?

2021-02-16 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 6:06 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > > > Basically are there places that you can't get allocations? If so, what > is happening? isn't the answer to this: "All except AFRNic announced their pools were empty." and: "you can go to the transfer market and arrange transfer of

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-16 Thread Simon Lockhart
On Tue Feb 16, 2021 at 09:33:20PM +0100, J?rg Kost wrote: > I don't want to classify and rate it, but would name 9/11. > > You can read about the impacts on the list archives and there is also a > presentation from NANOG '23 online. For an operational perspective, I was part of the team trying

Re: dumb question: are any of the RIR's out of IPv4 addresses?

2021-02-16 Thread Jennifer Sims
Pretty sure APNIC is out of addresses. It's now a matter of "when someone sells a block, you buy a block". On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 10:07 AM Michael Thomas wrote: > > Basically are there places that you can't get allocations? If so, what > is happening? > > Mike > >

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 2/16/21 09:49, Michael Thomas wrote: On 2/16/21 8:50 AM, John Von Essen wrote: I just assumed most people in Texas have heat pumps- AC in the summer and minimal heating in the winter when needed. When the entire state gets a deep freeze, everybody is running those heat pumps non-stop, and

dumb question: are any of the RIR's out of IPv4 addresses?

2021-02-16 Thread Michael Thomas
Basically are there places that you can't get allocations? If so, what is happening? Mike

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-16 Thread Paul Ebersman
jlewis> This reminds me of one of the Sprint CO's we were colo'd in. Ah, Sprint. Nothing like using your railroad to run phone lines... Our routers in San Jose colo were black from the soot of the trains. Fondly remember a major Sprint outage in the early 90s. All our data circuits in the

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-16 Thread scott
On 2/16/2021 9:37 AM, John Kristoff wrote: I'd suggest the AS 7007 event is perhaps the most notorious and likely to top many lists including mine. AS7007 is how I found NANOG.  We (Digital Island; first job out of college) were in

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-16 Thread Pierre Emeriaud
Le mar. 16 févr. 2021 à 21:03, Job Snijders via NANOG a écrit : > > https://labs.ripe.net/Members/erik/ripe-ncc-and-duke-university-bgp-experiment/ > > The experiment triggered a bug in some Cisco router models: affected > Ciscos would corrupt this specific BGP announcement ** ON OUTBOUND **. >

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-16 Thread Compton, Rich A
There was the outage in 2014 when we got to 512K routes. http://www.bgpmon.net/what-caused-todays-internet-hiccup/ On 2/16/21, 1:04 PM, "NANOG on behalf of Job Snijders via NANOG" wrote: CAUTION: The e-mail below is from an external source. Please exercise caution before opening

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-16 Thread Sean Donelan
Biggest internet operational SUCCESS 1. Secure Shell (SSH) replaced TELNET. Nearly eliminated an entire class of security problems on the Internet. But then HTTP took over everything, so a good news/bad news. 2. Internet worms massively reduced by changed default configurations and

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread William Herrin
On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 8:18 PM Robert Jacobs wrote: > How about letting us Texans have more natural gas power plants or even let > the gas be delivered to the plants we have so they can provide more power > in an emergency. Did not help that 20% of our power is now wind which of > course in an

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-16 Thread Jon Lewis
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021, Sabri Berisha wrote: - On Feb 16, 2021, at 2:08 PM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote: Hi, I was thinking about how we need a war stories nanog track. My favorite was being on call when the router was stolen. Wait... what? I would love to listen to that call

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Carsten Bormann
On 16. Feb 2021, at 16:40, Yang Yu wrote: > > You can find ERCOT Operations > Messageshttp://www.ercot.com/services/comm/mkt_notices/opsmessages No, I can’t. (OK, with a handy VPN, I do get access. ) Grüße, Carsten Access Denied Error 16 www.ercot.com 2021-02-16 22:12:17 UTC If you believe

Re: Cross country latency on 3356?

2021-02-16 Thread JASON BOTHE via NANOG
Lots of amp sites down here currently and with travel impossible and severely limited, they’re struggling to restore. It’s not a good situation currently. > On Feb 16, 2021, at 14:18, David Hubbard > wrote: > >  > Curious if anyone is seeing issues with 3356 cross country, particularly >

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-16 Thread Sabri Berisha
- On Feb 16, 2021, at 2:08 PM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote: Hi, > I was thinking about how we need a war stories nanog track. My favorite was > being on call when the router was stolen. Wait... what? I would love to listen to that call between you and your manager. But, here is

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-16 Thread Jared Mauch
I was thinking about how we need a war stories nanog track. My favorite was being on call when the router was stolen. Sent from my TI-99/4a > On Feb 16, 2021, at 2:40 PM, John Kristoff wrote: > > Friends, > > I'd like to start a thread about the most famous and widespread Internet >

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-16 Thread Justin Streiner
Would this also extend to intentional actions that may have had unintended consequences, such as provider A intentionally de-peering provider B, or the monopoly telco for $country cutting itself off from the rest of the global Internet for various reasons (technical, political, or otherwise)?

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-16 Thread Jörg Kost
Oh well, MCI in 1999 was all about… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iM5nFNUG4U On 16 Feb 2021, at 22:28, Sean Donelan wrote: Since you said operational issues, instead of just outage... How about MCI Worldcom's 10-day operational disaster in 1999.

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-16 Thread Todd Underwood
There are all the hilarious leaks and blocks. Pakistan blocks youtube and the announcement leaks internet-wide. Turk telecom (AS9121 IIRC) leaks a full table out one of their providers. So many routing level incidents they're probably not even interesting any more, I suppose. The huge power

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-16 Thread Sean Donelan
Since you said operational issues, instead of just outage... How about MCI Worldcom's 10-day operational disaster in 1999. http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9908/23/network.nono.idg/ How not to handle a network outage [...] MCI WorldCom issued an alert to its sales force, which was given the

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Chris Boyd
> On Feb 16, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Michael Thomas wrote: > > You'd think that mid-summer Texas chews a lot more peak capacity than the > middle of winter. Plus I would think a lot of Texas uses natural gas for heat > rather than electricity further mitigating its effect on the grid. > > Mike

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-16 Thread Damian Menscher via NANOG
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL_Slammer was interesting in that it was an application-layer issue that affected the network layer. Damian On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 11:37 AM John Kristoff wrote: > Friends, > > I'd like to start a thread about the most famous and widespread Internet >

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-16 Thread Randy Bush
> actually, the 129/8 incident a friend pointed out that it was the 128/9 incident > but folk tend not to remember it qed, eh? :)

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-16 Thread Randy Bush
actually, the 129/8 incident was as damaging as 7007, but folk tend not to remember it; maybe because it was a bit embarrassing and the baltimore tunnel is a gift that gave a few times and the quake/mudslides off taiwan the tohoku quake was also fun, in some sense of the word but the list of

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-16 Thread Jörg Kost
Hi, I don't want to classify and rate it, but would name 9/11. You can read about the impacts on the list archives and there is also a presentation from NANOG '23 online. Regards Jörg On 16 Feb 2021, at 20:37, John Kristoff wrote: Friends, I'd like to start a thread about the most famous

Cross country latency on 3356?

2021-02-16 Thread David Hubbard
Curious if anyone is seeing issues with 3356 cross country, particularly Orlando-LA? I have to assume they’re having issues in Texas, so perhaps too much capacity has been lost and it’s overloading what is functioning? David

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-16 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson via NANOG
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021, John Kristoff wrote: Friends, I'd like to start a thread about the most famous and widespread Internet operational issues, outages or implementation incompatibilities you have seen. Which examples would make up your top three?

Re: Famous operational issues

2021-02-16 Thread Job Snijders via NANOG
On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 01:37:35PM -0600, John Kristoff wrote: > I'd like to start a thread about the most famous and widespread Internet > operational issues, outages or implementation incompatibilities you > have seen. > > Which examples would make up your top three? This was a fantastic

Famous operational issues

2021-02-16 Thread John Kristoff
Friends, I'd like to start a thread about the most famous and widespread Internet operational issues, outages or implementation incompatibilities you have seen. Which examples would make up your top three? To get things started, I'd suggest the AS 7007 event is perhaps the most notorious and

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 04:17:15AM +, Robert Jacobs wrote: > How about letting us Texans have more natural gas power plants or even > let the gas be delivered to the plants we have so they can provide more > power in an emergency. Did not help that 20% of our power is now wind > which of

Google Nest camera contact request

2021-02-16 Thread Chuck Church
If anyone has access to a Google Nest engineer could you pass their info to me offline? Going through tech support didn't get me anywhere. We're seeing that their cameras and the cloud servers they home back to (oculus-xxx.dropcam.com) are using TLS 1.0 and no server name in the certs, which our

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Sabri Berisha
- On Feb 16, 2021, at 5:01 AM, Sean Donelan s...@donelan.com wrote: > On Tue, 16 Feb 2021, Rod Beck wrote: >> Are the power lines buried like in Europe where I live? They are not buried everywhere. They are buried in most western EU countries perhaps. But I invite you to go to Ferizaj,

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Ishmael Rufus
Maybe Texas can learn from its Northern neighbors. [image: image.png] On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 10:19 PM Robert Jacobs wrote: > How about letting us Texans have more natural gas power plants or even let > the gas be delivered to the plants we have so they can provide more power > in an emergency.

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Miles Fidelman
Last time I looked - admittedly a while - Texas made it VERY difficult for municipalities to set up broadband utilities, even in areas where no commercial player was interested.  Maybe that's catching up to them. Miles Fidelman Brandon Svec wrote: Mismanagement and poor planning are primarily

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Michael Thomas
On 2/16/21 8:50 AM, John Von Essen wrote: I just assumed most people in Texas have heat pumps- AC in the summer and minimal heating in the winter when needed. When the entire state gets a deep freeze, everybody is running those heat pumps non-stop, and the generation capacity simply wasn’t

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Brandon Svec
Mismanagement and poor planning are primarily to blame. One can't just blame the weather. We know weather will be bad and have extreme variations. I am sure Texas politicians are considering what they could have done better right now.. https://twitter.com/blkahn/status/1361682089310052354

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread John Von Essen
I just assumed most people in Texas have heat pumps- AC in the summer and minimal heating in the winter when needed. When the entire state gets a deep freeze, everybody is running those heat pumps non-stop, and the generation capacity simply wasn’t there. i.e. coal or natural gas plants have

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Matt Erculiani
Texas does have DC ties to other grids, there just isn't enough capacity there to really matter (820 MW total to the Eastern US grid). This is fairly standard though when you're on your own grid, UK and France have DC ties as well that run underneath the English Channel. ERCOT is using a little

Re: Infomart Dallas is on generator

2021-02-16 Thread Matt Erculiani
This should not come as a surprise. It's not uncommon for Texas DCs to do this in the Summer to reduce load on the grid during very hot days. They are often notified a few days in advance and compensated for it beyond fuel cost and equipment wear & tear. With all the hubbub lately, they knew this

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Mike Hammett
I was referring to electrical distribution or transmission. Putting in a 2" conduit with some glass in it is a different beast than 34kv or 345kv lines. :-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message -

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Mike Hammett
Agreed. Well, or interconnection with other grids that *do* have available generation. :-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Robert DeVita" To: "Mike Hammett" , "Rod Beck" Cc:

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread JASON BOTHE via NANOG
The professor has it right. Before the state privatized the grid and made ERCOT, we never had these problems. Every few years, these private companies complain they need a rate hike because they need a grant to ‘beef up’ the infrastructure and it’s granted although we seem to keep having this

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Yang Yu
On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 6:11 AM Rod Beck wrote: > Anyone wants to provide some details on where the system has faltered? It > is transmission? Or generation? Or just everything in general?  > You can find ERCOT Operations Messageshttp:// www.ercot.com/services/comm/mkt_notices/opsmessages

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Rod Beck
It will happen because storm frequency and outages will rise throughout the century. It is a capital investment that will sharply reduce outages. Florida is on the verge of putting their long-haul power underground. Texas is primed for storms due to the high and growing humidity in the Gulf.

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Jared Mauch
> On Feb 16, 2021, at 8:25 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > It's cheaper to build 2x, 3x, 4x the aerial plant than to build 1x the > underground plant. > > The actual cost per foot is more like 10x difference, but there are right of > way, maintenance, etc. costs to factor in as well. > Labor

Re: Netflix Contact

2021-02-16 Thread Cassell, Brandon
Netflix Contact: If that was you that caused that ticket update to happen, you have my deepest thanks. Thanks, Brandon Cassell bcass...@oar.net From: NANOG on behalf of "Cassell, Brandon" Date: Monday, February 15, 2021 at 9:40 AM To: "nanog@nanog.org" Subject:

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Bret Clark
Texas doesn't generally experience this type of extreme cold. The power grids are being overload due to people using their electric heat or electric portable heaters. From: NANOG on behalf of Rod Beck Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 7:09 AM To: Robert Jacobs

Re: Infomart Dallas is on generator

2021-02-16 Thread Keith Stokes
Equinix DA-2 reported loads transferred 3-4 a.m. From: NANOG on behalf of Robert DeVita Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 4:51 PM To: Eric Kuhnke ; nanog@nanog.org list Subject: Re: Infomart Dallas is on generator Hopefully the other 400mw in Dallas follow

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Michael Thomas
On 2/16/21 3:05 AM, Jared Mauch wrote: Almost exactly 4 years ago we were out up here in Michigan for over 120 hours after a wind storm took out power to 1 million homes. Large scale restoration takes time. When the load and supply are imbalanced it can make things worse as well. I'm

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Robert DeVita
What’s going on in Texas has nothing to do with power distribution. It has to do with ability to generate power. Robert DeVita Founder & CEO Mejeticks c. 469-441-8864 e. radev...@mejeticks.com From: NANOG on behalf of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, February 16,

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Mike Hammett
It's cheaper to build 2x, 3x, 4x the aerial plant than to build 1x the underground plant. The actual cost per foot is more like 10x difference, but there are right of way, maintenance, etc. costs to factor in as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Sean Donelan
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021, Rod Beck wrote: Are the power lines buried like in Europe where I live? Rolling blackouts in Texas (or elsewhere) are not caused by storm damage. Rolling blackouts are administrative actions (turn off power, turn on power) taken by the system operator. They can "turn

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread John Sage
On 2/16/21 4:22 AM, John Sage wrote: On 2/15/21 10:02 PM, Mark Tinka wrote: On 2/16/21 07:49, Matthew Petach wrote: Isn't that a result of ERCOT stubbornly refusing to interconnect with the rest of the national grid, out of an irrational fear of coming under federal regulation? Yes.

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread John Sage
On 2/15/21 10:02 PM, Mark Tinka wrote: On 2/16/21 07:49, Matthew Petach wrote: Isn't that a result of ERCOT stubbornly refusing to interconnect with the rest of the national grid, out of an irrational fear of coming under federal regulation? Yes. This has been widely documented in

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Rod Beck
I agree. Germany spent well over 200 billion Euros on wind and solar subsidies and over 85% of the country's energy consumption is still non-renewable. Wind power is randomly generated. I really don't to depend it for either personal or business needs. From:

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Rod Beck
The problems with renewables is that you can't switch on or off and there is no good storage solution. However, the issue in Texas is probably exposed power cables. In Europe they are buried and we have far milder weather than the States. Anyone wants to provide some details on where the

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Rod Beck
Are the power lines buried like in Europe where I live? I really think using poles is crazy and global warming guarantees enough atmospheric turbulence to make it untenable. Florida is moving to bury power lines. From: NANOG on behalf of Mikael Abrahamsson

Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Jared Mauch
Almost exactly 4 years ago we were out up here in Michigan for over 120 hours after a wind storm took out power to 1 million homes. Large scale restoration takes time. When the load and supply are imbalanced it can make things worse as well. I'm hoping things return to normal soon but also am

RE: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

2021-02-16 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson via NANOG
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021, Sean Donelan wrote: Strange the massive shortages and failures are only in one state. The extreme cold weather extends northwards across many states, which aren't reporting rolling blackouts.