RE: Buying IPs with poor reputation

2021-05-19 Thread Brian Turnbow via NANOG
Hi,

Our experience has been that most blacklist operators/owners  are more than 
willing to remove IPs after a change of ownership, same with updating of geo IP 
services.
The bigger problem for us has been the huge number of statically defined or 
never updated blacklists/geo blocking by webmasters/postmasters/firewall admins 
that take months to get straightened out.
This is what makes the difference in price well worth getting reputable IPs and 
avoiding countries that may be considered as potentially unsafe.


Brian


From: NANOG  On Behalf Of David Guo 
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Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 10:24 AM
To: Ross Tajvar ; North American Network Operators' Group 

Subject: Re: Buying IPs with poor reputation

Let's say normal IPs are $35, those blocked IPs may be $32, and you'll need 
much work to delist from all database.

xTom GmbH

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 on behalf of Ross Tajvar mailto:r...@tajvar.io>>
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 4:20:14 PM
To: North American Network Operators' Group 
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Subject: Buying IPs with poor reputation

I'm curious if anyone has experience deliberately buying blacklisted blocks, or 
blocks that otherwise have poor reputation. Is there a significant price 
difference? How do you seek them out? Most of the sellers I've found seem to 
focus on blocks with good reputation, or on improving the reputation of a bad 
block. But I am interested in purchasing some IPs for internal services where 
reputation doesn't really matter.

Thanks,
Ross


Re: Buying IPs with poor reputation

2021-05-19 Thread David Guo via NANOG
Let's say normal IPs are $35, those blocked IPs may be $32, and you'll need 
much work to delist from all database.

xTom GmbH

From: NANOG  on behalf of Ross Tajvar 

Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 4:20:14 PM
To: North American Network Operators' Group 
Subject: Buying IPs with poor reputation

I'm curious if anyone has experience deliberately buying blacklisted blocks, or 
blocks that otherwise have poor reputation. Is there a significant price 
difference? How do you seek them out? Most of the sellers I've found seem to 
focus on blocks with good reputation, or on improving the reputation of a bad 
block. But I am interested in purchasing some IPs for internal services where 
reputation doesn't really matter.

Thanks,
Ross


Buying IPs with poor reputation

2021-05-19 Thread Ross Tajvar
I'm curious if anyone has experience deliberately buying blacklisted
blocks, or blocks that otherwise have poor reputation. Is there a
significant price difference? How do you seek them out? Most of the sellers
I've found seem to focus on blocks with good reputation, or on improving
the reputation of a bad block. But I am interested in purchasing some IPs
for internal services where reputation doesn't really matter.

Thanks,
Ross