Re: OT: IPSec Transport vs Tunnel modes (Was: VPN recommendations?)

It's not like IPsec protocols (it's a suite of protocols and concepts, not one) are proprietary or something. There are pretty ASCII pictures in RFCs with all about how the packets are put together. See section 3 of RFC 4303 to see how ESP transport and tunnel mode datagrams are put together. For

Re: junos config commit question

Sure, but the post I replied to originally was someone stating that commit confirm is problematic when you forget the second commit. I was explaining the easy way to recover from that scenario and it then got taken out of context… Twice now. Owen > On Feb 16, 2022, at 19:54 , Paschal Masha

Re: LEC copper removal from commercial properties

>I believe that should be 19-72A1. > >https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/FCC-19-72A1.pdf > >Essentially, all services must be transitioned to fiber or wireless by August >2nd, 2022. I'm reading that document and that's not what it appears to say at all. This seems to be about

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

Same issues in NYC. I'm in the bay area burbs and at least once a month get marketing from AT or Sonic about FTTH that stops 2 doors away. The bonded DSL alternative is... Functional but a couple times more expensive than my neighbors pay.

Re: LEC copper removal from commercial properties

Upon digging a bit more: Looks like a typo .. and a typo that seems have been copy pasted by so many providers all over the place. It must be 19-72A1, not 10-72A1. Do a Google Search for "Order 10-72A1" and you find tons of hits for that exact phrase quoted in your email, with 10-72A1, and

Re: LEC copper removal from commercial properties

Does it refer to this?? Hmm https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/FCC-10-72A1.pdf ORDER Adopted: April 28, 2010 Released: May 4, 2010 [..snip..] 1. In this Order, we ask the Federal-State Joint Board on Universal Service (Joint Board) to review the

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

California in particular also has more stringent rules for commercial buildings with seismic requirements. While a nonpen mount is great, you still have to get the service into the building somehow. Back in 2005 when I moved to this area, I worked directly across the street from what is now the

Contact for Beanfield Technologies Inc (AS21949)

Been dealing with an asymmetric routing issue and have not gotten anywhere with their level 1 support in 2 weeks. Would really appreciate if there is anyone from Beanfield on this list could please reach out to me. Thanks for your time, Michael Zarglis

Re: junos config commit question

On 2/16/22 9:56 AM, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: You can also do: config commit rollback 1 commit And still get back to where you were before It is exactly this feature of the junos cli, over and above everything else, that really solidified junos for me as my new preferred platform

Re: LEC copper removal from commercial properties

On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 08:58:21PM -0500, Martin Hannigan wrote: > At least in Boston, commercial property owners are receiving notices that > 'copper lines are being removed per FCC rules' and replaced with fiber. > The property owner, not the network operators (or users of unbundled > elements

Re: junos config commit question

edit rollback 0 commit "rollback 0" discards all your recent changes to the candidate configuration, include "delete interfaces". If you "rollback 0" then run "show | compare" no output will be displayed, meaning your changes have been discarded. Don't run "commit confirm x" when the change

Re: LEC copper removal from commercial properties

Noted!!! On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 10:39 PM wrote: > As I posted earlier, it’s supposed to be 19-72A1. > > Shane > > > On Feb 16, 2022, at 10:30 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > > > > On 2/16/22 18:20, Brandon Svec via NANOG wrote: > >> I found an alarmist email from a provider that I

Re: LEC copper removal from commercial properties

As I posted earlier, it’s supposed to be 19-72A1. Shane > On Feb 16, 2022, at 10:30 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > > On 2/16/22 18:20, Brandon Svec via NANOG wrote: >> I found an alarmist email from a provider that I have not fact checked that >> states- >> The FCC has issued Order 10-72A1 that

Re: LEC copper removal from commercial properties

On 2/16/22 18:20, Brandon Svec via NANOG wrote: I found an alarmist email from a provider that I have not fact checked that states- The FCC has issued Order 10-72A1 that mandates that a*ll POTS Lines in the USA be replaced with an alternative service by August 2, 2022.* Fake news. That's

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

I have to give a shout out here for Mike’s organization (Ridge Wireless). They do provide excellent customer service and decent speeds, though they are sub-fiber and at somewhat of a premium/Mbps vs. terrestrial fiber solutions. I’m currently using Ridge as my primary connectivity with Comcast

Re: LEC copper removal from commercial properties

I believe that should be 19-72A1. https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/FCC-19-72A1.pdf Essentially, all services must be transitioned to fiber or wireless by August 2nd, 2022. Shane > On Feb 16, 2022, at 9:27 PM, Brandon Svec via NANOG wrote: > > I found an alarmist email from a

Re: LEC copper removal from commercial properties

Noted But retirees ...??? Against an Element that has its own place on the Periodic Table of Elements Kind of funny how new homes now are built with blue n red Plastic tubing for water!! Cu is $ Ju $ayin Perhaps a deterrent to future “anticipated” THEFT and anticipated

Re: LEC copper removal from commercial properties

> > Watching the Spot Price > > AIP sounds Suspicious > > In the Ol’ days CO’s would be broken into > And the Cu stolen... even the Telco cutoffs disappeared! > > Prices are exponentially Higher now! > > > H > > > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 9:17 PM Martin Hannigan > wrote: > >> >>

Re: LEC copper removal from commercial properties

For what a 100watt 1U box? -LB Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC CEO b...@6by7.net "The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the world.” ANNOUNCING: 6x7 GLOBAL MARITIME

Re: LEC copper removal from commercial properties

I found an alarmist email from a provider that I have not fact checked that states- The FCC has issued Order 10-72A1 that mandates that all POTS Lines in the USA be replaced with an alternative service by August 2, 2022. Brandon Svec > On Feb 16, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Brandon Svec wrote: > >

Re: LEC copper removal from commercial properties

Saw this https://www.nojitter.com/consultant-perspectives/decommissioning-copper-gets-real

Re: LEC copper removal from commercial properties

Looks like its abandon in place "AIP" from the agreement. On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 9:03 PM L F wrote: > Who becomes the Beneficial Owner of the Copper once Removed? > > > Just Curious. > > > LF > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 9:01 PM Martin Hannigan > wrote: > >> >> NANOG'ers; >> >> At least in

Re: LEC copper removal from commercial properties

Telcos have been trying/begging/warning of discontinuing copper for many years. Maybe the political and regulatory environment is currently allowing them to get on with it in some areas? I don’t think there is an FCC rule requiring the fiber as much as allowing the removal of copper. Brandon

Re: LEC copper removal from commercial properties

Do MSOs and CLEC/fiber providers require free power and space? On Wed, Feb 16, 2022, 7:59 PM Martin Hannigan wrote: > > NANOG'ers; > > At least in Boston, commercial property owners are receiving notices that > 'copper lines are being removed per FCC rules' and replaced with fiber. > The

Re: LEC copper removal from commercial properties

Who becomes the Beneficial Owner of the Copper once Removed? Just Curious. LF On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 9:01 PM Martin Hannigan wrote: > > NANOG'ers; > > At least in Boston, commercial property owners are receiving notices that > 'copper lines are being removed per FCC rules' and replaced

LEC copper removal from commercial properties

NANOG'ers; At least in Boston, commercial property owners are receiving notices that 'copper lines are being removed per FCC rules' and replaced with fiber. The property owner, not the network operators (or users of unbundled elements if that's even still a thing) are being presented with an

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

The future belongs to wireless. Hopefully not 5g to any huge extent. If it helps any, wiline in the bay area has been delivering fixed wireless services for many, many years, 'round here. There's another technology - free space optics - that can get stuff across the street. I played around a lot

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

Well, if the HOA allowed us to install an antenna for the single customer, then our standard rates would apply (google Ridge Wireless, if you want to see pricing, i don’t want my NANOG messages to seem spammy). Another problem with condos that were built before the 2000’s is inside wiring.

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

See this is my point. People always dismiss these issues and say they could easily get service. Then, when someone comes in with an actual request for said service, the answer we get is about structured deals with HOA/property management. What about for a single customer? A single customer who

RE: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

Infrapedia says there is Zayo fiber across the street to the south. Guessing a DIA circuit might be a budget buster though. From: NANOG On Behalf Of Matthew Petach Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 4:47 PM To: Josh Luthman Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

Depends on many factors… If the whole HOA wanted service, then a licensed link could possibly be put in delivering a high capacity circuit delivering about 100 Mbps to the subscriber. Price to the customer would vary depending on how the deal is structured with the HOA/property management

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

Out of pure curiosity, let’s assume they COULD put an antenna on the roof… What is the service? Bandwidth, latency expectation, cost? Note that in almost every condominium or apartment complex I have heard of, they do NOT allow roof builds. This is why satellite TV in those areas require

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

If they allow antennas on the roof, we can service them :) Your house, on the other hand, we already lucked out on that one! -Mike Lyon Ridge Wireless > On Feb 16, 2022, at 16:48, Matthew Petach wrote: >  > > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 1:16 PM Josh Luthman > wrote: >> I'll once again

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 1:16 PM Josh Luthman wrote: > I'll once again please ask for specific examples as I continue to see the > generic "it isn't in some parts of San Jose". > You want a specific example? Friend of mine asked me to help them get better Internet connectivity a few weeks ago.

Re: junos config commit question

Then you didn’t use “commit confirm” as in the post this replied to. Owen > On Feb 16, 2022, at 12:23, Jay Hennigan wrote: > > On 2/16/22 09:56, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: > >> You can also do: >> config >> >> commit >> rollback 1 >> commit > > Unless you're remote and breaks your

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

> On Feb 16, 2022, at 13:13, Josh Luthman wrote: > >  > I'll once again please ask for specific examples as I continue to see the > generic "it isn't in some parts of San Jose". There are many such parts of San Jose. How specific do you want? Most of the residential areas served by the

RE: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

It is really quite odd that arguably the heart of high tech in the world has such poor coverage. I remember going on a visit there 10+ years ago and being shocked that the head of the development team at the company I was visiting had the best available which was a 2meg cable plan with a data

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

Crap, slow internet options in the heart of Silicon Valley, I think.. https://www.broadbandmap.ca.gov You can look around the billion dollar football stadium and international airport and see neighborhoods with 1-3Mbps only. On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 1:38 PM Josh Luthman wrote: > What is the

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

But the location has an internet service. Is it embarrassing because it should have fiber or "better connectivity" because of its location? On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 4:47 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > > On 2/16/22 1:36 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > What is the embarrassment? > > That in the tech

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

On 2/16/22 1:36 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What is the embarrassment? That in the tech center of the world that we're so embarrassingly behind the times with broadband. I'm going to get fiber in the rural Sierra Nevada before Silicon Valley. In fact, I already have it, they just haven't

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

What is the embarrassment? On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 4:28 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > > On 2/16/22 1:13 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > I'll once again please ask for specific examples as I continue to see the > generic "it isn't in some parts of San Jose". > > On the note of the generic area of San

IMPORTANT NOTICE - Retirement of ARIN Non-Authenticated IRR rescheduled for 4 April 2022

NANOGers - An important reminder – On 4 April 2022, ARIN's non-authenticated Internet Routing Registry (IRR) will be retired. Please review the attached notice for details, and do not hesitate to contact ARIN if you have any questions about this transition or need assistance. I ask that you

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

On 2/16/22 1:13 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I'll once again please ask for specific examples as I continue to see the generic "it isn't in some parts of San Jose". On the note of the generic area of San Jose, I'm all but certain this has a lot to do with California and its extraordinarily

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

I'll once again please ask for specific examples as I continue to see the generic "it isn't in some parts of San Jose". On the note of the generic area of San Jose, I'm all but certain this has a lot to do with California and its extraordinarily complicated and near impossible accessibility to

Re: junos config commit question

that's what the "commit confirm xxx" command is for. :) Andrew On 2/16/22 3:23 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: On 2/16/22 09:56, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: You can also do: config commit rollback 1 commit Unless you're remote and breaks your ability to reach the box. Then you're hosed after

Re: junos config commit question

On 2/16/22 09:56, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: You can also do: config commit rollback 1 commit Unless you're remote and breaks your ability to reach the box. Then you're hosed after the first "commit". -- Jay Hennigan - j...@west.net Network Engineering - CCIE #7880 503 897-8550 -

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

> On Feb 16, 2022, at 10:13 , Aaron Wendel wrote: > > The reason government incentives exist is because, in a lot of rural America, > a business case can't be made to connect to Grandma's farm that's 10 miles > from the nearest splice box. If you believe that broad band is a basic >

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

The reason government incentives exist is because, in a lot of rural America, a business case can't be made to connect to Grandma's farm that's 10 miles from the nearest splice box.  If you believe that broad band is a basic service now, like electricity, then getting Grandma her porn is

Re: junos config commit question

Owen DeLong writes: > top > rollback I am *sure* I tried exactly that but it wasn't working as I expected. But maybe I was just imagining things. And somehow I completely missed the 'rollback 0' variant while plowing through the documentation. Thanks everyone for assisting the blind ;-)

Re: junos config commit question

> > > If I skip the egg timer, then I *will* forget, and it will automatically roll > back. One of my largest annoyances with the Juniper CLI (other than the fact > that it won't format large numbers into a human readable format in things > like 'monitor interface traffic') is that it beeps

Re: junos config commit question

> On Feb 11, 2022, at 14:18 , Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM) > wrote: > > On an EX4300 switch running JunOS 14.1 let's imagine I typed > > config > delete interfaces > > before coming to my senses. How am I supposed to back out of that > mess? top rollback > For the life

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

> On Feb 11, 2022, at 13:14 , Josh Luthman wrote: > > Because literally every case I've seen along these lines is someone > complaining about the coax connection is "only 100 meg when I pay for 200 > meg". Comcast was the most hated company and yet they factually had better > speeds

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

Parts of San Jose are another example… The so-called “Capital of Silicon Valley” has many neighborhoods where fiber is less than 100 yards away and yet fiber services are unavailable. In many of those locations, DSL is limited to about 1.5M/384k (and that on good days). This is true of many

Microsoft express routes contact

Could someone from Microsoft please contact me off line please. We have had tickets opened for quite a while now but the ticket seems to be not getting to the correct team. We have a customer who has been trying to get their app working, we have an express route peering directly to MS, however we