Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

2022-02-19 Thread Martin Hannigan 
+1

On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 11:26 Mike Hammett  wrote:

> *nods* I agree.
>
> Usually, it's too many spineless people that won't stand up to someone
> that couldn't make friends in high school.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
> 
> --
> *From: *"Dorn Hetzel" 
> *To: *sro...@ronan-online.com
> *Cc: *"Mike Hammett" , "NANOG" 
> *Sent: *Saturday, February 19, 2022 10:16:06 AM
> *Subject: *Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections
>
> Yeah, the evils of HOAs go *way* beyond shitty internet
>
> On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 11:15 AM  wrote:
>
>> Sounds like you’ve never lived in an HOA.
>>
>> On Feb 19, 2022, at 11:09 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> "A single customer who has no sway over an entire HOA"
>>
>> If you can't sway the whole HOA, then the problem must not be that bad.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Cory Sell via NANOG" 
>> *To: *"Mike Lyon" 
>> *Cc: *"NANOG" 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 16, 2022 7:16:37 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections
>>
>> See this is my point. People always dismiss these issues and say they
>> could easily get service. Then, when someone comes in with an actual
>> request for said service, the answer we get is about structured deals with
>> HOA/property management. What about for a single customer? A single
>> customer who has no sway over an entire HOA, a single customer who is told
>> to go “pound sand” by the property manager.
>>
>> If you can’t give a single figure or even rough numbers for a single
>> customer, I’d say avoid dismissing the problem. If you can provide that
>> now, I’d be very curious to still see them. :)
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 7:10 PM, Mike Lyon  wrote:
>>
>> Depends on many factors…
>>
>> If the whole HOA wanted service, then a licensed link could possibly be
>> put in delivering a high capacity circuit delivering about 100 Mbps to the
>> subscriber. Price to the customer would vary depending on how the deal is
>> structured with the HOA/property management company.
>>
>> Could also look into getting some fiber delivered and feed it from that.
>>
>> -Mike
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2022, at 17:02, Cory Sell  wrote:
>>
>>  Out of pure curiosity, let’s assume they COULD put an antenna on the
>> roof…
>>
>> What is the service? Bandwidth, latency expectation, cost?
>>
>> Note that in almost every condominium or apartment complex I have heard
>> of, they do NOT allow roof builds. This is why satellite TV in those areas
>> require people to put an antenna on their patio, even if it’s half-blocked.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 6:51 PM, Mike Lyon  wrote:
>>
>> If they allow antennas on the roof, we can service them :)
>>
>> Your house, on the other hand, we already lucked out on that one!
>>
>> -Mike Lyon
>> Ridge Wireless
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2022, at 16:48, Matthew Petach  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 1:16 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'll once again please ask for specific examples as I continue to see
>>> the generic "it isn't in some parts of San Jose".
>>>
>>
>>
>> You want a specific example?
>>
>> Friend of mine asked me to help them get better Internet connectivity a
>> few weeks ago.
>>
>> They live here:
>>
>> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Meridian+Woods+Condos/@37.3200394,-121.9792261,17.47z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x808fca909a8f5605:0x399cdd468d99300c!8m2!3d37.3190694!4d-121.9818295
>>
>> Just off of I-280 in the heart of San Jose.
>>
>> I dug and dug, and called different companies.
>> The only service they can get there is the 768K DSL service they already
>> have with AT&T.
>>
>> Go ahead.  Try it for yourself.
>>
>> See what service you can order to those condos.
>>
>> Heart of Silicon Valley.
>>
>> Worse conn

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

2022-02-19 Thread Mike Hammett 
*nods* I agree. 

Usually, it's too many spineless people that won't stand up to someone that 
couldn't make friends in high school. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Dorn Hetzel"  
To: sro...@ronan-online.com 
Cc: "Mike Hammett" , "NANOG"  
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2022 10:16:06 AM 
Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections 


Yeah, the evils of HOAs go *way* beyond shitty internet 


On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 11:15 AM < sro...@ronan-online.com > wrote: 



Sounds like you’ve never lived in an HOA. 




On Feb 19, 2022, at 11:09 AM, Mike Hammett < na...@ics-il.net > wrote: 







"A single customer who has no sway over an entire HOA" 


If you can't sway the whole HOA, then the problem must not be that bad. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 



From: "Cory Sell via NANOG" < nanog@nanog.org > 
To: "Mike Lyon" < mike.l...@gmail.com > 
Cc: "NANOG" < nanog@nanog.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 7:16:37 PM 
Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections 

See this is my point. People always dismiss these issues and say they could 
easily get service. Then, when someone comes in with an actual request for said 
service, the answer we get is about structured deals with HOA/property 
management. What about for a single customer? A single customer who has no sway 
over an entire HOA, a single customer who is told to go “pound sand” by the 
property manager. 


If you can’t give a single figure or even rough numbers for a single customer, 
I’d say avoid dismissing the problem. If you can provide that now, I’d be very 
curious to still see them. :) 

On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 7:10 PM, Mike Lyon < mike.l...@gmail.com > wrote: 


Depends on many factors… 


If the whole HOA wanted service, then a licensed link could possibly be put in 
delivering a high capacity circuit delivering about 100 Mbps to the subscriber. 
Price to the customer would vary depending on how the deal is structured with 
the HOA/property management company. 


Could also look into getting some fiber delivered and feed it from that. 


-Mike 



On Feb 16, 2022, at 17:02, Cory Sell < corys...@protonmail.com > wrote: 






Out of pure curiosity, let’s assume they COULD put an antenna on the roof… 


What is the service? Bandwidth, latency expectation, cost? 


Note that in almost every condominium or apartment complex I have heard of, 
they do NOT allow roof builds. This is why satellite TV in those areas require 
people to put an antenna on their patio, even if it’s half-blocked. 


On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 6:51 PM, Mike Lyon < mike.l...@gmail.com > wrote: 


If they allow antennas on the roof, we can service them :) 


Your house, on the other hand, we already lucked out on that one! 


-Mike Lyon 
Ridge Wireless 



On Feb 16, 2022, at 16:48, Matthew Petach < mpet...@netflight.com > wrote: 












On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 1:16 PM Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 



I'll once again please ask for specific examples as I continue to see the 
generic "it isn't in some parts of San Jose". 






You want a specific example? 


Friend of mine asked me to help them get better Internet connectivity a few 
weeks ago. 


They live here: 
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Meridian+Woods+Condos/@37.3200394,-121.9792261,17.47z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x808fca909a8f5605:0x399cdd468d99300c!8m2!3d37.3190694!4d-121.9818295
 



Just off of I-280 in the heart of San Jose. 


I dug and dug, and called different companies. 
The only service they can get there is the 768K DSL service they already have 
with AT&T. 


Go ahead. Try it for yourself. 


See what service you can order to those condos. 


Heart of Silicon Valley. 


Worse connectivity than many rural areas. :( 


Matt

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

2022-02-19 Thread sronan 
Sounds like you’ve never lived in an HOA.

> On Feb 19, 2022, at 11:09 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> 
> "A single customer who has no sway over an entire HOA"
> 
> If you can't sway the whole HOA, then the problem must not be that bad.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> From: "Cory Sell via NANOG" 
> To: "Mike Lyon" 
> Cc: "NANOG" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 7:16:37 PM
> Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections
> 
> See this is my point. People always dismiss these issues and say they could 
> easily get service. Then, when someone comes in with an actual request for 
> said service, the answer we get is about structured deals with HOA/property 
> management. What about for a single customer? A single customer who has no 
> sway over an entire HOA, a single customer who is told to go “pound sand” by 
> the property manager.
> 
> If you can’t give a single figure or even rough numbers for a single 
> customer, I’d say avoid dismissing the problem. If you can provide that now, 
> I’d be very curious to still see them. :)
> 
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 7:10 PM, Mike Lyon  wrote:
> Depends on many factors…
> 
> If the whole HOA wanted service, then a licensed link could possibly be put 
> in delivering a high capacity circuit delivering about 100 Mbps to the 
> subscriber. Price to the customer would vary depending on how the deal is 
> structured with the HOA/property management company.
> 
> Could also look into getting some fiber delivered and feed it from that.
> 
> -Mike 
> 
> On Feb 16, 2022, at 17:02, Cory Sell  wrote:
> 
>  Out of pure curiosity, let’s assume they COULD put an antenna on the roof…
> 
> What is the service? Bandwidth, latency expectation, cost?
> 
> Note that in almost every condominium or apartment complex I have heard of, 
> they do NOT allow roof builds. This is why satellite TV in those areas 
> require people to put an antenna on their patio, even if it’s half-blocked.
> 
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 6:51 PM, Mike Lyon  wrote:
> If they allow antennas on the roof, we can service them :)
> 
> Your house, on the other hand, we already lucked out on that one!
> 
> -Mike Lyon
> Ridge Wireless
> 
> On Feb 16, 2022, at 16:48, Matthew Petach  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 1:16 PM Josh Luthman  
>> wrote:
>> I'll once again please ask for specific examples as I continue to see the 
>> generic "it isn't in some parts of San Jose".
> 
> 
> You want a specific example?
> 
> Friend of mine asked me to help them get better Internet connectivity a few 
> weeks ago.
> 
> They live here:
> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Meridian+Woods+Condos/@37.3200394,-121.9792261,17.47z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x808fca909a8f5605:0x399cdd468d99300c!8m2!3d37.3190694!4d-121.9818295
> 
> Just off of I-280 in the heart of San Jose.
> 
> I dug and dug, and called different companies.
> The only service they can get there is the 768K DSL service they already have 
> with AT&T.
> 
> Go ahead.  Try it for yourself.
> 
> See what service you can order to those condos.
> 
> Heart of Silicon Valley.  
> 
> Worse connectivity than many rural areas.   :(
> 
> Matt
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

2022-02-19 Thread Mike Hammett 
"A single customer who has no sway over an entire HOA" 


If you can't sway the whole HOA, then the problem must not be that bad. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Cory Sell via NANOG"  
To: "Mike Lyon"  
Cc: "NANOG"  
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 7:16:37 PM 
Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections 

See this is my point. People always dismiss these issues and say they could 
easily get service. Then, when someone comes in with an actual request for said 
service, the answer we get is about structured deals with HOA/property 
management. What about for a single customer? A single customer who has no sway 
over an entire HOA, a single customer who is told to go “pound sand” by the 
property manager. 


If you can’t give a single figure or even rough numbers for a single customer, 
I’d say avoid dismissing the problem. If you can provide that now, I’d be very 
curious to still see them. :) 

On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 7:10 PM, Mike Lyon < mike.l...@gmail.com > wrote: 


Depends on many factors… 


If the whole HOA wanted service, then a licensed link could possibly be put in 
delivering a high capacity circuit delivering about 100 Mbps to the subscriber. 
Price to the customer would vary depending on how the deal is structured with 
the HOA/property management company. 


Could also look into getting some fiber delivered and feed it from that. 


-Mike 



On Feb 16, 2022, at 17:02, Cory Sell  wrote: 






Out of pure curiosity, let’s assume they COULD put an antenna on the roof… 


What is the service? Bandwidth, latency expectation, cost? 


Note that in almost every condominium or apartment complex I have heard of, 
they do NOT allow roof builds. This is why satellite TV in those areas require 
people to put an antenna on their patio, even if it’s half-blocked. 


On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 6:51 PM, Mike Lyon < mike.l...@gmail.com > wrote: 


If they allow antennas on the roof, we can service them :) 


Your house, on the other hand, we already lucked out on that one! 


-Mike Lyon 
Ridge Wireless 



On Feb 16, 2022, at 16:48, Matthew Petach  wrote: 












On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 1:16 PM Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 



I'll once again please ask for specific examples as I continue to see the 
generic "it isn't in some parts of San Jose". 






You want a specific example? 


Friend of mine asked me to help them get better Internet connectivity a few 
weeks ago. 


They live here: 
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Meridian+Woods+Condos/@37.3200394,-121.9792261,17.47z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x808fca909a8f5605:0x399cdd468d99300c!8m2!3d37.3190694!4d-121.9818295
 



Just off of I-280 in the heart of San Jose. 


I dug and dug, and called different companies. 
The only service they can get there is the 768K DSL service they already have 
with AT&T. 


Go ahead. Try it for yourself. 


See what service you can order to those condos. 


Heart of Silicon Valley. 


Worse connectivity than many rural areas. :( 


Matt