Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock

2022-03-11 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG
Exactly, many previous unsuccessful discussions at IETF about 240/4: IPv6 is the only viable long-term solution. The effort to “reinvent” any part of IPv4 or patches to it, then test that everything keeps working as expected, versus the benefits and gained time, it is much best invested in c

Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock

2022-03-11 Thread Greg Skinner via NANOG
> On Mar 10, 2022, at 8:44 PM, Masataka Ohta > wrote: > > IIRC, at some time, perhaps when CIDR was deployed widely and > having something other than IPv4 was a hot topic, there was a > discussion on releasing 240/4 in IETF. Reasonings against it were > that the released space will be consumed

Re: V6 still widely supported (was Re: CC: s to Non List Members,

2022-03-11 Thread Josh Luthman
Verizon Wireless does have v6. I see a 100.64/24 on my phone all the time. On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 4:11 PM John Covici wrote: > Verizon does not support ipv6 as far as I know, I have fios and they > said it was not supported. > > On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 15:20:48 -0500, > John Levine wrote: > > > >

Re: V6 still widely supported (was Re: CC: s to Non List Members,

2022-03-11 Thread John Covici
Verizon does not support ipv6 as far as I know, I have fios and they said it was not supported. On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 15:20:48 -0500, John Levine wrote: > > It appears that Joe Maimon said: > >higher penetration of native v6, I would restate that a bit more > >conservatively as > > > >Google's st

Re: V6 still widely supported (was Re: CC: s to Non List Members,

2022-03-11 Thread David Conrad
On Mar 11, 2022, at 12:20 PM, John Levine wrote: > It appears that Joe Maimon said: >> higher penetration of native v6, I would restate that a bit more >> conservatively as >> >> Google's statistics are likely a fair barometer for USA usage in the >> large content provider arena which have a str

Re: V6 still widely supported (was Re: CC: s to Non List Members,

2022-03-11 Thread John Levine
It appears that Joe Maimon said: >higher penetration of native v6, I would restate that a bit more >conservatively as > >Google's statistics are likely a fair barometer for USA usage in the >large content provider arena which have a strong mobile representation. AT&T, Comcast, and Charter/Spect

Re: V6 still not supported (was Re: CC: s to Non List Members, (was Re: 202203080924.AYC Re: 202203071610.AYC Re: Making Use of 240/4, NetBlock))

2022-03-11 Thread Abraham Y. Chen
Hi, Ca By: 1)    Re: Ur. Pt. 1) " ... the number is 46% in the USA.  ":    Whoa! Your revised number is even higher. And, I could round it up to 50%! Seriously, please be specific about where are you reading the number that you are reporting? I commented after reading your second reference, b

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

2022-03-11 Thread Martin Hannigan
On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 5:17 PM Aaron Wendel wrote: > I think you're reading it incorrectly. > > The US government and many other countries have imposed sanctions > against Russia and barred businesses in those countries from doing > business in Russia. Cogent is a US based company and, even if i

Re: Russia attempts mandating installation of root CA on clients for TLS MITM

2022-03-11 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Clarification, Google Chrome has its own root CA revocation/CRL program. It does still rely on the operating system root CA trust store. Using a typical intranet/RFC1918 IP space environment as an example, as you might see in any $BIGCORP, if you install your own choice of root CA in the Windows 1

Re: Russia attempts mandating installation of root CA on clients for TLS MITM

2022-03-11 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Considering that 99% of non-technical end users of windows, macos, android, ios client devices *have no idea what a root CA is,* if an authoritarian regime can mandate the installation of a government-run root CA in the operating system CA trust store of all new devices sold at retail, as equipment

Weekly Global IPv4 Routing Table Report

2022-03-11 Thread Routing Table Analysis Role Account
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Global IPv4 Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. The posting is sent to APOPS, NANOG, AfNOG, SANOG, PacNOG, SAFNOG TZNOG, MENOG, BJNOG, SDNOG, CMNOG, LACNOG and the RIPE Routing WG. Daily listings are sent to bgp-st...

Re: V6 still not supported (was Re: CC: s to Non List Members, (was Re: 202203080924.AYC Re: 202203071610.AYC Re: Making Use of 240/4, NetBlock))

2022-03-11 Thread Joe Maimon
Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote: I believe that talking about removing IPv4 in any capacity /now/ is a disservice to the larger conversation. We mostly agree. Except that there is a significant vocal portion of the IPv6 spectrum that would like to start obsoleting IPv4 now. I have my doub

Re: V6 still not supported (was Re: CC: s to Non List Members, (was Re: 202203080924.AYC Re: 202203071610.AYC Re: Making Use of 240/4, NetBlock))

2022-03-11 Thread Grant Taylor via NANOG
On 3/11/22 9:39 AM, Joe Maimon wrote: I am not really convinced that IPv4 can be ignored/marginalized/obsoleted without penetration reaching over 90%, globally. I feel like that's an unfair characterization / summarization. The VAST MAJORITY of the pro IPv6 discussions that I see are targetin

Re: V6 still not supported (was Re: CC: s to Non List Members, (was Re: 202203080924.AYC Re: 202203071610.AYC Re: Making Use of 240/4, NetBlock))

2022-03-11 Thread Joe Maimon
Ca By wrote: Google’s number represents how many users reach it over ipv6. Given Google’s ubiquity in the usa, it is a fair barometer for the usa at large. Given google's popularity on handheld platforms, the users of which tend to be much less sensitive to IPv4 translation mechanisms

Re: 202203071610.AYC Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock

2022-03-11 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 6:36 AM Abraham Y. Chen wrote: > 1)Thanks for the reference. However, Informative Reference 7 of our IETF > Draft cites another IANA document which puts the initial date of the 240/4 > topic back to 1981-09 which was much earlier, in fact, coincided with that of > RF

Re: V6 still not supported (was Re: CC: s to Non List Members, (was Re: 202203080924.AYC Re: 202203071610.AYC Re: Making Use of 240/4, NetBlock))

2022-03-11 Thread Ca By
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 7:15 AM Abraham Y. Chen wrote: > Dear Ca By: > > 1)It appears that you are reading the Google graph too optimistically, > or incorrectly. That is, the highest peaks of the graph are about 38%. The > average of the graph is about 36%. Citing "over 40%" from these is a g

Re: V6 still not supported (was Re: CC: s to Non List Members, (was Re: 202203080924.AYC Re: 202203071610.AYC Re: Making Use of 240/4, NetBlock))

2022-03-11 Thread Abraham Y. Chen
Dear Ca By: 1)    It appears that you are reading the Google graph too optimistically, or incorrectly. That is, the highest peaks of the graph are about 38%. The average of the graph is about 36%. Citing "over 40%" from these is a gross exaggeration. In fact, the peaks were reached on weekend

Re: The role of Internet governance in sanctions

2022-03-11 Thread Mel Beckman
Sylvain, Thank you for posting this plausible scenario. It is this kind of bad effect that I’m concerned about. Consider also that the document doesn’t specify government specifically, only “agencies“, without defining what those are. I think it’s quite possible that a future operational team

Re: 202203071610.AYC Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock

2022-03-11 Thread Abraham Y. Chen
Hi, Bill: 1)    Thanks for the reference. However, Informative Reference 7 of our IETF Draft cites another IANA document which puts the initial date of the 240/4 topic back to 1981-09 which was much earlier, in fact, coincided with that of RFC 791. 2)    My curiosity questions were not about

The role of Internet governance in sanctions

2022-03-11 Thread Sylvain Baya
Dear NANOG-ers, Hope this email finds you in good health! Please see my comments below, inline... Le vendredi 11 mars 2022, Brandon Price a écrit : > > > -Original Message- > From: NANOG On Behalf > Of Bill Woodcock > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2022 11:37 AM > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subj

Re: Asia Apac networks

2022-03-11 Thread Jon Lewis
More likely a couple hundred ms. I believe what is being seen is the result of Cogent trying to get established in Asia. They won't pay to peer with the established players, and those players don't want Cogent disrupting their market, so their peering in Asia is rather poor. If you're succes