Re: IoT - The end of the internet

2022-08-09 Thread bzs
Possibly interesting: This kind of idea came up w/in ICANN when they were first considering the idea of adding 1000+ new generic and internationalized TLDs. Will it cause a melt down? Money was allocated, studies and simulations were done, reports were tendered. The conclusion was: Not likely

Re: IoT - The end of the internet

2022-08-09 Thread Saku Ytti
On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 at 07:54, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) via NANOG wrote: > On a more positive note, the IPv6 IoT can be seen as an experiment on how we > can scale the internet another order of magnitude or 2 without taking the > power or the spectrum consumption to the parallel levels. I

Re: IoT - The end of the internet

2022-08-09 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert) via NANOG
On a more positive note, the IPv6 IoT can be seen as an experiment on how we can scale the internet another order of magnitude or 2 without taking the power or the spectrum consumption to the parallel levels. For that we turned protocols like ND and MLD from broadcast pull to unicast push in a

Re: IoT - The end of the internet

2022-08-09 Thread Mel Beckman
ROTFL! Yes, every time I’ve run into Bob at a conference he always introduces himself this way: “I’m Bob Metcalfe, the inventor of Ethernet.” -mel > On Aug 9, 2022, at 9:20 PM, Fred Baker wrote: > > > >> On Aug 9, 2022, at 8:06 PM, Mel Beckman wrote: >> >> Robert Metcalfe, InfoWorld

Re: IoT - The end of the internet

2022-08-09 Thread Fred Baker
> On Aug 9, 2022, at 8:06 PM, Mel Beckman wrote: > > Robert Metcalfe, InfoWorld columnist and the inventor of Ethernet, also in > 1995: > “I predict the Internet will soon go spectacularly supernova and in 1996 > catastrophically collapse.” In 1998 I invited Mr Metcalfe to address the

Re: 400G forwarding - how does it work?

2022-08-09 Thread sronan
How do you propose to fairly distribute market data feeds to the market if not multicast? Shane > On Aug 9, 2022, at 10:19 PM, Masataka Ohta > wrote: > > Matthew Huff wrote: > >> Also, for data center traffic, especially real-time market data and >> other UDP multicast traffic,

Re: IoT - The end of the internet

2022-08-09 Thread Ca By
On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 7:23 PM Christopher Wolff wrote: > Hi folks, > > Has anyone proposed that the adoption of billions of IoT devices will > ultimately ‘break’ the Internet? > > It’s not a rhetorical question I promise, just looking for a journal or > other scholarly article that implies that

Re: IoT - The end of the internet

2022-08-09 Thread Mel Beckman
LOL! You’re not the first person to underestimate the resilience of the Internet: “There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home.” – Ken Olsen, CEO of Digital Equipment Corporation (now defunct), 1977 "I see little commercial potential for the internet for the next 10 years,"

Re: 400G forwarding - how does it work?

2022-08-09 Thread Masataka Ohta
Dave Taht wrote: But as fair queuing does not scale at all, they disappeared long ago. What do you mean by FQ, exactly? Fair queuing is "fair queuing" not some queuing idea which is, by someone, considered "fair". See, for example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_queuing "5

IoT - The end of the internet

2022-08-09 Thread Christopher Wolff
Hi folks, Has anyone proposed that the adoption of billions of IoT devices will ultimately ‘break’ the Internet? It’s not a rhetorical question I promise, just looking for a journal or other scholarly article that implies that the Internet is doomed.

Re: 400G forwarding - how does it work?

2022-08-09 Thread Masataka Ohta
Matthew Huff wrote: Also, for data center traffic, especially real-time market data and other UDP multicast traffic, micro-bursting is one of the biggest issues especially as you scale out your backbone. Are you saying you rely on multicast even though loss of a packet means loss of large

Re: 400G forwarding - how does it work?

2022-08-09 Thread Masataka Ohta
Saku Ytti wrote: With such an imaginary assumption, according to the end to end principle, the customers (the ends) should use paced TCP instead I fully agree, unfortunately I do not control the whole problem domain, and the solutions available with partial control over the domain are less

RE: 400G forwarding - how does it work?

2022-08-09 Thread Jeff Tantsura
Saku, I have forwarded your questions to Sharada. All, For this week – at 11:00am PST, Thursday 08/11, we will be joined by Guy Caspary (co-founder of Leaba Semiconductor (acquired by Cisco -> SiliconOne)https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GDthnCj31_Y For the next week, I’m planning to get one of main

Locating Cambium's Chinese plastics supplier

2022-08-09 Thread Colin Stanners (lists)
Greetings NANOG, a rare request here, I apologize that it is distanced from the usual network routing/design/administration areas of focus... posted on AFMUG too but NANOG seems to have many more people knowledgeable in the upstream manufacturing of devices. If there's anywhere else where there is