Re: Hawaiian ILEC infrastructure and fire

2023-08-15 Thread TJ Trout
I found it interesting that *all*? cellular service on west maui died? Does every carrier single-home via waves served out of the Lahaina CO? Or maybe they aren't allowed to have generators in Maui? Seems like they would have diverse paths to major sites On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 6:55 PM scott

Re: Dodgy AS327933 ...?

2023-08-15 Thread Mark Tinka
On 8/16/23 00:28, Nick Hilliard wrote: Whatever about the web / winbox UI, there are some fairly serious weaknesses in the cli and api: 1. there's no atomic configuration commit + auto rollback. 2. the CLI is non-idempotent, for example if you're in a list context and issue the command

Re: Hawaiian ILEC infrastructure and fire

2023-08-15 Thread scott via NANOG
On Tue, Aug 15, 2023, 5:21 PM scott via NANOG On 8/11/23 4:06 AM, Mark Tinka wrote: > It's like a war zone. Yes, it definitely looks like that. We have connectivity to some of the edges and have put up hotspots, so folks can go to the hotspot areas and get internet

Re: Hawaiian ILEC infrastructure and fire

2023-08-15 Thread TJ Trout
Scott: Just an FYI that anecdotal reports from social media coming in or stating that residents have been unable to connect to the Wi-Fi hotspots that the local government have been promoting in the Lahaina area. On Tue, Aug 15, 2023, 5:21 PM scott via NANOG wrote: > > > On 8/11/23 4:06 AM,

Re: Hawaiian ILEC infrastructure and fire

2023-08-15 Thread scott via NANOG
On 8/11/23 4:06 AM, Mark Tinka wrote: It's like a war zone. Yes, it definitely looks like that. We have connectivity to some of the edges and have put up hotspots, so folks can go to the hotspot areas and get internet access. scott

Re: Hawaiian ILEC infrastructure and fire

2023-08-15 Thread scott via NANOG
On 8/11/23 3:17 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: Recently saw an aerial video where an entire neighborhood in Laihana had burned down *except* for the concrete block structure small ILEC CO. Pictures I have seen of other ILEC sites in Hawaii closely resemble some GTE sites in the Pacific Northwest

Re: Dodgy AS327933 ...?

2023-08-15 Thread Nick Hilliard
Mike Hammett wrote on 15/08/2023 23:02: I'd say it's probably the best router UI ever, but I suppose now we'll find ourselves in a religious argument. Whatever about the web / winbox UI, there are some fairly serious weaknesses in the cli and api: 1. there's no atomic configuration commit +

Re: Dodgy AS327933 ...?

2023-08-15 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 6:30 PM Mike Hammett wrote: > Most people I know don't even use the CLI. They use Winbox. > > Actually, Winbox used to crash configuring BGP due to displaying full routes if the router gets them. So there is saying in Mikrotik communities to use CLI for BGP, while keeping

Re: Dodgy AS327933 ...?

2023-08-15 Thread Chris Cappuccio
Mike Hammett [na...@ics-il.net] wrote: > I'd say it's probably the best router UI ever, but I suppose now we'll find > ourselves in a religious argument. > If that's truly how you feel, I would want to talk with you on Signal and get a better idea for what you like and don't like.

Re: Dodgy AS327933 ...?

2023-08-15 Thread Mike Hammett
I'd say it's probably the best router UI ever, but I suppose now we'll find ourselves in a religious argument. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chris Cappuccio" To: "Mike Hammett"

Re: Dodgy AS327933 ...?

2023-08-15 Thread Chris Cappuccio
Mike Hammett [na...@ics-il.net] wrote: > Most people I know don't even use the CLI. They use Winbox. > Which is also terrible.

Re: Dodgy AS327933 ...?

2023-08-15 Thread Chris Cappuccio
Tom Beecher [beec...@beecher.cc] wrote: > > > > It should be a huge embarrasment to the designers. They survive on low > > price and unique features. It would be quite amazing to have a CLI without > > the nonsense. > > > > That ship sailed years ago. Even though the legal precedent was set after

Re: Dodgy AS327933 ...?

2023-08-15 Thread Mike Hammett
Most people I know don't even use the CLI. They use Winbox. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chris Cappuccio" To: "Mark Tinka" Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023

Re: Dodgy AS327933 ...?

2023-08-15 Thread Tom Beecher
> > It should be a huge embarrasment to the designers. They survive on low > price and unique features. It would be quite amazing to have a CLI without > the nonsense. > That ship sailed years ago. Even though the legal precedent was set after Cisco vs Arista that CLI elements that are of common

Re: Internet Exchange Visualization

2023-08-15 Thread Randy Bush
> actually, i am amazed by the extent of "remote peering." if one > measures rtt to all the peers on the six, for example, the curve goes > out to well over 200ms. the six has seen remote peers from the gulf > states, and i do not mean louisiana. > > graph below is one way to visualize ix

Re: Internet Exchange Visualization

2023-08-15 Thread Randy Bush
> You might instead be thinking of "how are different participants in a > single internet exchange cross-connected to each other?" -- in which > case the answer is "through in-building wiring that often even the > building owner isn't entirely aware of what path the connections are > taking."

Optimum/Altice network contact

2023-08-15 Thread Dave Phelps
Hi NANOG. I'm hoping to find an Optimum/Altice contact for one of my sites in TX where I'm seeing periodic latencies of up to 2 minutes throughout the day. This has been going for several months and escalations to the right team are apparently impossible. Please email me off-list for details.

Re: Internet Exchange Visualization

2023-08-15 Thread Matthew Petach
On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 8:24 AM Thomas Beer wrote: > Hi All! > > Has anybody a link to a cost-free service for visualizations of internet > exchange inter-connections? > > Thanks & cheers > Tom > Hi Tom, There's a couple of different ways of interpreting your question, which will impact the

Internet Exchange Visualization

2023-08-15 Thread Thomas Beer
Hi All! Has anybody a link to a cost-free service for visualizations of internet exchange inter-connections? Thanks & cheers Tom

AT in Raleigh - Durham region (NC)

2023-08-15 Thread Etienne-Victor Depasquale via NANOG
Hello good people, If anyone from AT in the Raleigh - Durham region (NC) would care to contact me off list, I'd be grateful. Cheers, Etienne -- Ing. Etienne-Victor Depasquale