Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

2023-09-08 Thread Herb L
A friend once commented, "If it's free, -=YOU=- are the product." It should be updated to, "If it's free, -=YOU & EVERYONE YOU INTERACT WITH=- are the product." /herb On Fri, Sep 8, 2023 at 10:25 AM John Gilmore wrote: > It is totally possible to turn off the spyware in MailChimp. You just >

Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

2023-09-08 Thread John Gilmore
Ryan Hamel wrote: > For you to say, "my privacy has been sold", is simply not true. I agree with you somewhat about tracking links. They only spy on a person when that person tries to follow them. I do find it much less useful to read mailing lists that include references to external resources

Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

2023-09-08 Thread Martin Hannigan
What network does Nanog-news operate? Marketing email doesn’t belong on an operational list. Even if its NANOG marketing itself. (Ack Kentik non involvement). Warm regards, -M< On Fri, Sep 8, 2023 at 20:52 Ryan Hamel wrote: > Randy, > > You're right, the problem is not technical. It's a

Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

2023-09-08 Thread Ryan Hamel
Randy, You're right, the problem is not technical. It's a choice to click the links or not. NANOG does not have to sanitize links for you. Those emails do not have to be read, and no one is stopping you from filtering them out. For you to say, "my privacy has been sold", is simply not true.

Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

2023-09-08 Thread Randy Bush
> It is totally possible to turn off the spyware in MailChimp. You just > need to buy an actual commercial account rather than using their > "free" service. To save $13 or $20 per month, you are instead selling > the privacy of every recipient of your emails. See: > >

Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

2023-09-08 Thread Sylvain Baya
Dear NANOG-ers, Hope this email finds you in good health! Le jeudi 7 septembre 2023, Anne Mitchell a écrit : > > > [...] > > > > can we please get URLs without all the invasive tracking? > > list-manage.com is Mailchimp; > > Hi Anne, Thanks for your email. Sure! but the question could be:

Weekly Global IPv4 Routing Table Report

2023-09-08 Thread Routing Table Analysis Role Account
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Global IPv4 Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. The posting is sent to APOPS, NANOG, AfNOG, SANOG, PacNOG, SAFNOG UKNOF, TZNOG, MENOG, BJNOG, SDNOG, CMNOG, LACNOG and the RIPE Routing WG. Daily listings are sent to

Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

2023-09-08 Thread John Gilmore
It is totally possible to turn off the spyware in MailChimp. You just need to buy an actual commercial account rather than using their "free" service. To save $13 or $20 per month, you are instead selling the privacy of every recipient of your emails. See:

Spoofer Report for NANOG for Aug 2023

2023-09-08 Thread CAIDA Spoofer Project
In response to feedback from operational security communities, CAIDA's source address validation measurement project (https://spoofer.caida.org) is automatically generating monthly reports of ASes originating prefixes in BGP for systems from which we received packets with a spoofed source address.

Re: Lossy cogent p2p experiences?

2023-09-08 Thread Fred Baker
It was intended to detect congestion. The obvious response was in some way to pace the sender(s) so that it was alleviated. Sent using a machine that autocorrects in interesting ways... > On Sep 7, 2023, at 11:19 PM, Mark Tinka wrote: > >  > >> On 9/7/23 09:51, Saku Ytti wrote: >> >>

Re: Lossy cogent p2p experiences?

2023-09-08 Thread Saku Ytti
On Fri, 8 Sept 2023 at 09:17, Mark Tinka wrote: > > Unfortunately that is not strict round-robin load balancing. > > Oh? What is it then, if it's not spraying successive packets across > member links? I believe the suggestion is that round-robin out-performs random spray. Random spray is what

Re: Lossy cogent p2p experiences?

2023-09-08 Thread Mark Tinka
On 9/7/23 09:51, Saku Ytti wrote: Perhaps if congestion control used latency or FEC instead of loss, we could tolerate reordering while not underperforming under loss, but I'm sure in decades following that decision we'd learn new ways how we don't understand any of this. Isn't this partly

Re: Lossy cogent p2p experiences?

2023-09-08 Thread Mark Tinka
On 9/7/23 09:31, Benny Lyne Amorsen wrote: Unfortunately that is not strict round-robin load balancing. Oh? What is it then, if it's not spraying successive packets across member links? I do not know about any equipment that offers actual round-robin load-balancing. Cisco had both