Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

2023-09-09 Thread bzs
One could argue that much of this behavior was the result of most of the internet preferring free, or nearly free, to paying for services so all this jiggery-pokery evolved to try to make money to pay for services and generate profits. I suppose in theory one could argue they could have charged

Re: Lossy cogent p2p experiences?

2023-09-09 Thread Mark Tinka
On 9/9/23 22:29, Dave Cohen wrote: At a previous $dayjob at a Tier 1, we would only support LAG for a customer L2/3 service if the ports were on the same card. The response we gave if customers pushed back was "we don't consider LAG a form of circuit protection, so we're not going to

Re: Lossy cogent p2p experiences?

2023-09-09 Thread Dave Cohen
At a previous $dayjob at a Tier 1, we would only support LAG for a customer L2/3 service if the ports were on the same card. The response we gave if customers pushed back was "we don't consider LAG a form of circuit protection, so we're not going to consider physical resiliency in the design",

Re: Lossy cogent p2p experiences?

2023-09-09 Thread Mark Tinka
On 9/9/23 20:44, Randy Bush wrote: i am going to be foolish and comment, as i have not seen this raised if i am running a lag, i can not resist adding a bit of resilience by having it spread across line cards. surprise! line cards from vendor do not have uniform hashing or rotating

Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

2023-09-09 Thread Tom Beecher
> > Are you saying the very org that brings us together, is not allowed to > spur discussion based on newsletter content and cannot provide us with > updates and/or reminders about various things? > I don't believe anyone is making that argument at all. The published usage guidelines are what

Re: Lossy cogent p2p experiences?

2023-09-09 Thread Randy Bush
i am going to be foolish and comment, as i have not seen this raised if i am running a lag, i can not resist adding a bit of resilience by having it spread across line cards. surprise! line cards from vendor do not have uniform hashing or rotating algorithms. randy

Re: Lossy cogent p2p experiences?

2023-09-09 Thread Benny Lyne Amorsen
Mark Tinka writes: > Oh? What is it then, if it's not spraying successive packets across > member links? It sprays the packets more or less randomly across links, and each link then does individual buffering. It introduces an unnecessary random delay to each packet, when it could just place

Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

2023-09-09 Thread Martin Hannigan
On Sat, Sep 9, 2023 at 12:30 Tom Beecher wrote: > What network does Nanog-news operate? >> >> Marketing email doesn’t belong on an operational list. Even if its >> NANOG marketing itself. (Ack Kentik non involvement). >> > > This is the right comment. > > The NANOG Mailing List Usage

Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

2023-09-09 Thread Ryan Hamel
Martin and Tom, How is it a private marketing initiative exactly if the links go to stories on NANOG's website? Are you saying the very org that brings us together, is not allowed to spur discussion based on newsletter content and cannot provide us with updates and/or reminders about various

Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

2023-09-09 Thread Tom Beecher
> > What network does Nanog-news operate? > > Marketing email doesn’t belong on an operational list. Even if its NANOG > marketing itself. (Ack Kentik non involvement). > This is the right comment. The NANOG Mailing List Usage Guidelines ( https://www.nanog.org/resources/usage-guidelines/ )