Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-05 Thread Collider
While I agree with the thrust of what Sabri is saying, let's not delude ourselves - this is not a freedom of speech/"1st amdt." issue. The freedom of the press does not mean the government is obligated not to favour given presses (to include its own). That one's religion - freedom of religion

Re: Using RFC1918 on Global table as Loopbacks

2023-10-05 Thread Saku Ytti
On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 at 20:45, Niels Bakker wrote: > The recommendation is to make Router-IDs globally unique. They're used > in collision detection. What if you and a peer pick the same non > globally unique address? Any session will never come up. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc6286

APRICOT 2024: Call for Programme Committee Volunteers

2023-10-05 Thread Mark Tinka
Hi everyone. The APRICOT 2024 Organising Committee would like to welcome everyone to join us in Bangkok, Thailand, from 21st February to 1st March 2024. The APRICOT 2024 Programme Committee is responsible for the solicitation and selection of suitable presentation and tutorial content for

Re: maximum ipv4 bgp prefix length of /24 ?

2023-10-05 Thread Matthew Petach
On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 11:33 PM Mark Tinka wrote: > > > On 10/5/23 08:24, Geoff Huston wrote: > > The IPv6 FIB is under the same pressure from more specifics. Its taken 20 > years to get there, but the IPv6 FIB is now looking stable at 60% opf the > total FIB size [2]. For me, thats a very

Re: maximum ipv4 bgp prefix length of /24 ?

2023-10-05 Thread Geoff Huston
> On 6 Oct 2023, at 6:13 am, Owen DeLong wrote: > > Ratio of FIB to RIB is only part of the equation. > > IPv6 is NOT under the disaggregation pressure that IPv4 is under because > there is no pressure (other than perhaps scarcity mentality from those that > don’t properly understand IPv6) to

Re: maximum ipv4 bgp prefix length of /24 ?

2023-10-05 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 12:11 PM Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: > So far, that seems to be largely the case, with more than 50% of ASNs > represented in the DFZ in IPv6, we see > roughly 191884 unique destinations in IPv6 and 942750 unique destinations in > IPv4 (admittedly an instantaneous >

Re: Using RFC1918 on Global table as Loopbacks

2023-10-05 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 9:42 AM Javier Gutierrez wrote: > the loopback of the core network devices is being set from RFC1918 > while on the global routing table. I'm sure this is not a major issue but > I have mostly seen that ISPs use global IPs for loopbacks on devices > that would and hold

Re: Using RFC1918 on Global table as Loopbacks

2023-10-05 Thread Randy Bush
> I have recently encountered some operational differences at my new > organization that are not what I have been exposed to before, where > the loopback of the core network devices is being set from RFC1918 > while on the global routing table. I'm sure this is not a major issue > but I have

Re: Using RFC1918 on Global table as Loopbacks

2023-10-05 Thread Aaron1
I carry public Internet routing in a vrf, and my loopback and internal IGP interfaces are in the master/default vrf Aaron > On Oct 5, 2023, at 12:24 PM, Javier Gutierrez > wrote: > >  > Hi, > I have recently encountered some operational differences at my new > organization that are not

Re: maximum ipv4 bgp prefix length of /24 ?

2023-10-05 Thread Owen DeLong via NANOG
Ratio of FIB to RIB is only part of the equation. IPv6 is NOT under the disaggregation pressure that IPv4 is under because there is no pressure (other than perhaps scarcity mentality from those that don’t properly understand IPv6) to dense-pack IPv6 assignments or undersize IPv6 allocations.

Re: maximum ipv4 bgp prefix length of /24 ?

2023-10-05 Thread Owen DeLong via NANOG
I think it needs to be slightly more nuanced than that… Because IPv4 is driven to dense-packing and tight allocations, I think disaggregation of IPv4 will only increase over time. The hope is that by issuing larger than needed blocks of IPv6, less disaggregation becomes necessary over time.

Autoresponders gone wild - edg.io (or Meta), make it stop

2023-10-05 Thread Jon Lewis
I'm on my last full day at StackPath, and a couple of autoresponders are making my work email even less usable than usual. It would seem G-Core Labs S.A. (ASN 199524) sent a peering request cc'd to every address they could find relevant to @INEX LAN1 Dublin, and the various autoresponders

Re: Using RFC1918 on Global table as Loopbacks

2023-10-05 Thread Niels Bakker
* gutierr...@westmancom.com (Javier Gutierrez) [Thu 05 Oct 2023, 19:25 CEST]: I have recently encountered some operational differences at my new organization that are not what I have been exposed to before, where the loopback of the core network devices is being set from RFC1918 while on the

Using RFC1918 on Global table as Loopbacks

2023-10-05 Thread Javier Gutierrez
Hi, I have recently encountered some operational differences at my new organization that are not what I have been exposed to before, where the loopback of the core network devices is being set from RFC1918 while on the global routing table. I'm sure this is not a major issue but I have mostly

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-05 Thread Grant Taylor via NANOG
On 10/4/23 6:15 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote: If this is true, and I will take your word for it, that is outrageous. Why is this outrageous? My wife is a teacher who works with special needs kids, and her phone went of twice (the second time 15 minutes after the first). This was very disruptive

N89 Keynote + Taste the Best of San Diego Without Ever Leaving Conference + More

2023-10-05 Thread Nanog News
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[NANOG-announce] N89 Keynote + Taste the Best of San Diego Without Ever Leaving Conference + More

2023-10-05 Thread Nanog News
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Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

2023-10-05 Thread Sam Mulvey
On 10/4/23 12:14, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote: I was kinda surprised that none of my NOAA weather radios went off. I sorta assumed they'd be tied into the whole "national" alert setup. That surprises me. Did the newer alert not get bridged into the same system that NOAA radios use? Is

Re: maximum ipv4 bgp prefix length of /24 ?

2023-10-05 Thread Mark Tinka
On 10/5/23 08:32, Geoff Huston wrote: Not really. The stability of number in IPv4 as compared to the monotonic rise in IPv6 is what I find to be curious. I think the fact that RIR's allocate very large IPv6 address space to their members may well be what is driving this. Historically,

Re: maximum ipv4 bgp prefix length of /24 ?

2023-10-05 Thread Mark Tinka
On 10/5/23 08:24, Geoff Huston wrote: The IPv6 FIB is under the same pressure from more specifics. Its taken 20 years to get there, but the IPv6 FIB is now looking stable at 60% opf the total FIB size [2]. For me, thats a very surprising outcome in an essentially unmanaged system. Were

Re: maximum ipv4 bgp prefix length of /24 ?

2023-10-05 Thread Mark Tinka
On 10/5/23 07:49, Crist Clark wrote: But if the assumption is that networks will always eventually totally deaggregate to the maximum, we're screwed. Routing IPv4 /32s would be nothing. The current practice of accepting /48s could swell to about 2^(48 - 3) = 2^45 = 35184372088832. What