Re: Zayo zColo Xcon Pricing

NRC? Do you mean ETC (early termination charge)? This is a sore point with me in all telco contracts. They want a one- or two-year term, or even three, and in exchange give you a discount on the installation and a tiny MRC reduction. But if you cancel early, they demand full payment for all

Re: ifIndex

Cisco has a feature you can enable called “Interface Index Persistence”: https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/ip/simple-network-management-protocol-snmp/28420-ifIndex-Persistence.html This solves the problem, at least with Cisco gear. -mel beckman On Oct 12, 2018, at 1:33 PM, Naslund

Re: ifIndex

Saku, The issue isn't that ifindexes change during operation. That would truly make SNMP useless. The issue is that they change across reboots. That's where features such as Cisco's Interface Index Persistence helps out. -mel via cell > On Oct 13, 2018, at 2:59 AM, Saku Ytti wrote: > >> On

Re: ifIndex

remove it, or it's stuck there forever, but a reboot should not cause a change. They didn't care; it is 'by design'. On 10/13/18, 8:47 AM, "NANOG on behalf of Mel Beckman" mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org> on behalf of m...@beckman.org<mailto:m...@beckman.org>> wrote:

Re: Hurricane Michael: Communications restoration status

It helps to have a largely intact power grid, and a state government that doesn’t squander maintenance dollars on graft and corruption. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-puertorico-prepa-probe/u-s-house-panel-probes-corruption-allegations-at-puerto-rico-utility-idUSKCN1GP03P -mel On Oct

Re: Larry Roberts, RIP.

Such irony that Roberts’ NYTimes article is behind a paywall :) Here’s a more informative, much more entertaining, and totally free article: https://www.i-programmer.info/news/82-heritage/12414-internet-pioneer-lawrence-roberts-dies-aged-81.html On Dec 30, 2018, at 7:59 PM, Dobbins, Roland

Re: Verizon IDE

facilities. -mel beckman > On Jan 5, 2019, at 12:06 PM, Justin M. Streiner wrote: > >> On Sat, 5 Jan 2019, Mitchell Lewis wrote: >> >> How common is it for Verizon to deliver "Internet Dedicated Ethernet" over >> sonet? Ran into a situation w

Re: Your opinion on network analysis in the presence of uncertain events

h enough data to allow it to make fairly accurate predictions (i.e. unlike in weather or markets prediction tools where the datasets (or search space -as not all attributes are equally relevant) is virtually endless). adam From: NANOG mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org>> On Behalf Of Mel Beckm

Re: AT starting to charge for RFOs on ASE tail circuits?

I wonder how this fits in with AT’s SLA commitments? How can you audit your SLA without the RFOs? -mel beckman On Jan 18, 2019, at 9:28 AM, Victor Breen mailto:vic...@impulse.net>> wrote: Well, I guess it's nice to know we're not the only ones getting that treatment. I'll have to see

Re: Your opinion on network analysis in the presence of uncertain events

I took the survey. It’s short and sweet — well done! I do have a question. You ask "Are there any good?” Any good what? -mel On Jan 15, 2019, at 10:59 AM, Vanbever Laurent mailto:lvanbe...@ethz.ch>> wrote: Hi NANOG, Networks evolve in uncertain environments. Links and devices randomly fail;

Re: Your opinion on network analysis in the presence of uncertain events

I know of none that take probabilities as inputs. Traditional network simulators, such as GNS3, let you model various failure modes, but probability seems squishy enough that I don’t see how it can be accurate, and thus helpful. It’s like that Dilbert cartoon where the pointy haired boss asks

Re: Extending network over a dry pair

I’ve used the Patton copper link devices such as the one you mentioned Nick, and they work very well within the parameters they cover. Their tech-support is excellent also. -mel beckman On Dec 12, 2018, at 1:44 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: Somethi

Re: historical Bogon lists

Lars, Archive.org has snapshots going back several year. Just feed in the URL you posted, ad you’ll get a history that lets you download each version of the list that archive.org noticed changed. In my experience, that is pretty comprehensive. -mel beckman > On Dec 15, 2018, at 12:31

Re: historical Bogon lists

rg/bogons/freespace-dec.txt was crawled by the > Wayback Machine, not how many times the site was actually updated. > > , or am I missing something? > > Best regards, > Lars > >> Am 15.12.18 um 09:47 schrieb Mel Beckman: >> Lars, >> >> Archive.org h

Re: CenturyLink

tps://timemachinescorp.com/product/gps-time-server-tm1000a/?_vsrefdom=adwords=CjwKCAiA9qHhBRB2EiwA7poaeP6WdNN-kfhXHj9agAvZwm5PKZf70nCzxPH5Wgm__2S6164H86uSwxoCmQgQAvD_BwE> -mel beckman On Dec 30, 2018, at 6:40 AM, Shawn L via NANOG mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> wrote: Speaking of GPS-enabled NTP app

Re: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

Mehmet, In general an IX only makes sense when there are local resources to exchange. It doesn’t seem like PR has a lot of, if any, content providers of its own, so most consumer content is coming from offshore anyway. Given modern DWDM fiber, backhauling all that content shouldn’t be an

Re: Puerto Rico Internet Exchange

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Re: Quick Script to check the uptime of ASR920's

:39.77 -mel beckman On Feb 20, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Benoit Claise via NANOG mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> wrote: Erik, Just in case you want to go into/learn the data model-driven management, here is a NETCONF/YANG script. CiscoRouterUptimeNETCONF) dvulovic@DVULOVIC-D2DW2:~/pytho

Re: Apple devices spoofing default gateway?

apply. -mel beckman > On Mar 14, 2019, at 5:28 AM, Simon Lockhart wrote: > > All, > > We're seeing a bit of a weird one on our network at the moment, and wondering > if anyone else has seen it. > > Since Friday we're seeing Apple devices (we believe it's both laptops an

Re: Apple devices spoofing default gateway?

, since this seems to be a Layer 2 problem. You asked for help, and sanitized packets would help people help you :) -mel > On Mar 14, 2019, at 10:02 AM, Simon Lockhart wrote: > > On Thu Mar 14, 2019 at 12:53:01PM +0000, Mel Beckman wrote: >> Can you post some packet capture

Re: fs.com dwdm equipment

We’ve purchased many SFP modules from fs.com for Cisco gear, and the only problem we run into is that Cisco IOS seem unwilling to expose the error counters via SNMP. This is kind of annoying, because that’s how we get early warning of fiber problems. I suspect IOS does this

Re: OT/venting: RIPE legal - please stop this madness!

ten Bormann wrote: > >> On Feb 15, 2019, at 16:46, Mel Beckman wrote: >> >> rant not operational, it’s not even North American > > While that is true, an event where a regional registry has been taken over by > (badly programmed) AI robots should be very much

Re: OT/venting: RIPE legal - please stop this madness!

Sorry, but not only is your giant bolus of a rant not operational, it’s not even North American. Please respect the boundaries of our group and keep your venting in Europe where it belongs. This isn’t a flame, it’s just a polite request that you knock it off. -mel beckman > On Feb 15, 2

Re: [ROUTING] Settle a pointless debate - more commonly used routing protocol in total deployments - OSPF vs IS-IS

Why would you want to settle a pointless debate? :) -mel beckman > On Jan 25, 2019, at 6:45 AM, Tom Hill wrote: > >> On 25/01/2019 04:47, Steven Bahnsen wrote: >> First time poster looking for some input on a debate > > > This won't settle anything. You've just

Re: Effects of Cold Front on Internet Infrastructure - U.S. Midwest

build out HVAC capacity to cover the hottest days. -mel beckman On Jan 30, 2019, at 8:40 AM, Mark Tinka mailto:mark.ti...@seacom.mu>> wrote: For anyone running IP networks in the Midwest, are you having to do anything special to keep your networks up? For the data centres, is this cold

Re: Effects of Cold Front on Internet Infrastructure - U.S. Midwest

Fletcher, I don’t think that’s true. I find no specs on fiber dB loss being a function of ambient temperature. I do find fiber optic application data sheets for extreme temperature applications of -500F and +500F (spacecraft). You’d think if temperature affected fiber transmission

Re: Any detail on 3356 outage this morning?

Yeah, it was obviously only in Greenwich, UK. :) -mel via cell On Feb 5, 2019, at 7:13 AM, David Hubbard mailto:dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com>> wrote: Curious if anyone has detail on the cause of the CenturyLink/L3 outage this morning? Their master ticket response is not exactly confidence

Re: Quick Script to check the uptime of ASR920's

Erik, That’s a nice little script. Thanks! So you want a warning if a router hasn’t been rebooted in a long time? Just out of curiosity, why? I’m kind of glad that my routers don’t reboot, pretty much ever. Usually I want to know if the uptime suddenly became less than the most recent

Re: Power cut if temps are too high

We considered this approach, but we wanted to have notifications precede shut down, and give a remote support person the ability to prevent the shut down. Our SNMP based system gives us that option. -mel > On May 27, 2019, at 11:16 AM, Brian Kantor wrote: > > A simple air conditioner

Re: Power cut if temps are too high

Most EPO “mushroom” buttons can be wired either NO or NC. -mel via cell > On May 27, 2019, at 3:27 PM, Brian Kantor wrote: > > I was assuming the EPO trigger is a circuit that is normally OPEN > and is closed when the button is pushed. > > If instead, it is a normally-CLOSED circuit, then

Re: Power cut if temps are too high

We use Intermapper, an SNMP network monitoring system, which supports UNIX scripting. Intermapper probes two Weathergoose temperature sensors, and calls a script with the values it retrieves. When both sensors exceed a certain threshold, the script sends an snmp relay trip signal to the

Re: DOs and DONTs for small ISP

I’m constantly amazed at the number of even medium-sized ISPs that have no network monitoring. An NMS should go in as the first software component — before billing starts and the provider is on the hook to deliver. The second lacking component is a ticket system, which is silly because turnkey

Re: BGP prefix filter list

as Bellman mailto:bell...@nsc.liu.se>> wrote: On 2019-05-30 20:00 +0000, Mel Beckman wrote: I’m sure we can find corner cases, but it’s clear that the vast ^ majority of BGP users are following the standard. "Citation needed&q

Re: BGP prefix filter list

: Thursday, May 30, 2019 5:58:34 PM To: Mel Beckman Cc: Thomas Bellman; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: BGP prefix filter list On Fri, 31 May 2019 00:10:42 -, Mel Beckman said: > What are you talking about? Do you use multi homed BGP? If so, I???d expect > you > to know that an org

Re: BGP prefix filter list

as a single destination address having multiple routing paths to two or more endpoints. -mel On May 30, 2019, at 12:48 PM, William Herrin mailto:b...@herrin.us>> wrote: > On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 10:58 AM Mel Beckman > mailto:m...@beckman.org>> wrote: > > Com

Re: BGP prefix filter list

Bill, Are your sure about your Error #2, where you say "Prefixes from the same AS are not required to have direct connectivity to each other and many do not."? From BGP definitions: The AS represents a connected group of one or more blocks of IP addresses, called IP prefixes, that have been

Re: BGP prefix filter list

orted by the published standard? :-) -mel On May 30, 2019, at 10:42 AM, William Herrin mailto:b...@herrin.us>> wrote: > On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 10:11 AM Mel Beckman > mailto:m...@beckman.org>> wrote: > > Are your sure about your Error #2, where you say "Prefixes from

Re: Postmaster@

Postmaster@ is so widely spammed as to be useless. Standards, and even laws, can be overcome by reality. Witness the DoNotCall list. -mel beckman > On Jun 14, 2019, at 6:45 PM, Gary E. Miller wrote: > > Yo All! > > Is it no longer required to monitor the postmaster@ ? &

Re: Public Subnet re-assignments

You’re using just the two middle IPs in the four that make up the /30 set, right? IOW, the subnet x.x.x.0/30 should have .0 and .3 unused (they’re broadcast), and you use .1 and .2. -mel > On Jun 25, 2019, at 9:41 AM, Scott wrote: > > First, sorry if this is a bit of a noob question. > >

Re: Public Subnet re-assignments

Also, what do you mean by “join to /30 public subnets to a /29”? You can’t overlap subnets, if that’s what you’re thinking. -mel > On Jun 25, 2019, at 3:27 PM, Mel Beckman wrote: > > You’re using just the two middle IPs in the four that make up the /30 set, > right? IOW, the su

Re: Public Subnet re-assignments

ion, yes .0 and .3 are unused. Once I change the > subnet .3 becomes a usable IP and it's getting hammered with traffic, > causing packet loss. > > On 6/25/19 3:30 PM, Mel Beckman wrote: >> Also, what do you mean by “join to /30 public subnets to a /29”? You can’t >> overl

Re: Cost effective time servers

source even in moderate-sized data centers. I’ve put in a ton of them, and in most installations I buy two for redundancy. The GPS antenna works from a window in most instances . -mel beckman > On Jun 20, 2019, at 7:53 AM, David Bass wrote: > > What are folks using these days fo

Re: Cost effective time servers

are overpriced overkill :) -mel via cell > On Jun 20, 2019, at 8:31 AM, Warren Kumari wrote: > >> On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 11:00 AM Mel Beckman wrote: >> >> I use the $300 GPS-based TM1000A from TimeMachinesCorp.com. Gets Stratum-1 >> time from GPS satellites and d

Re: Cellular backup connections

I ran into this problem and Verizon told me that they filter ports 22 and 23 to help stem the tide of IoT attacks on their networks by cellular-connected phone and alarm systems. They said their operational model assumes that all traffic will be encrypted via either SSLVPN or IPSec. I’m using

Re: FCC Hurricane Michael after-action report

This is what I tell outage complainers during natural disasters, such as the fires in California that recently took out a lot of power and communications: “Stop whining about how long it is taking to repair your Internet, your cell phone service, or your cable TV. You didn’t pay anything extra

Re: NTP question

of the may passive POE injectors to inject the TM’s power brick into the Cat5 and strip it out on the other end, over a little power plug jumper that plugs into the TM box. Works a treat! -mel beckman On May 1, 2019, at 12:44 PM, Mehmet Akcin mailto:meh...@akcin.net>> wrote: thank yo

Re: NTP Question

Harlan and Mehmet, I can expand on one important reason that James only alluded to with his “Kepping the Auditors happy” comment. Passing NTP through a firewall and then using that as a critical time reference source represents a huge security risk. Here’s one detailed explanation of that

Re: NTP question

Ask, But with a small compact server like the DC-powered TimeMachines Inc unit, which costs something like $300, you simply put the server where the visibility is and connect back to the nearest Ethernet port in your network, up to 300’ away, or virtually any distance with fiber transceivers.

Re: NTP question

server gets a consensus of clock time from the GPS satellite constellation. The “enough NTP peers” you speak of are simply not necessary. -mel via cell > On May 1, 2019, at 6:49 PM, Harlan Stenn wrote: > > > >> On 5/1/19 4:53 PM, Mel Beckman wrote: >> Ask, >>

Re: NTP question

y 1, 2019, at 8:03 PM, Gary E. Miller wrote: > > Yo Mel! > > On Thu, 2 May 2019 02:54:25 +0000 > Mel Beckman wrote: > >> Why? The GPS NTP Server is Stratum-1. If it fails computer clocks >> will freewheel for hours or days before losing significant time, >

Re: Special Counsel Office report web site

B just announced that they are offering free downloads via their Nook reader. I noticed I couldn’t reach B via IPv6, and discovered the cause : nslookup > set type= > barnesandnoble.com Server: 4.2.2.1 Non-authoritative answer: *** Can't find barnesandnoble.com: No answer > set

Re: who attacks the weather channel?

When IBM purchased TWC, IBM summarily cancelled our heretofore free weather station monitoring through Wunderground.com. Instead IBM offered to “sell” us our own remote data center weather stations information back to us at an exorbitant price. No thank you. We switched

Re: who attacks the weather channel?

, 2019, at 9:16 AM, Mel Beckman mailto:m...@beckman.org>> wrote: When IBM purchased TWC, IBM summarily cancelled our heretofore free weather station monitoring through Wunderground.com<http://wunderground.com/>. Instead IBM offered to “sell” us our own remote data center weather stations

Re: Special Counsel Office report web site

Rich, If you want NANOG to devolve into a morass of political claptrap, keep posting comments like that. Personally, I want NANOG to remain a useful technical resource, and leave the partisan crap to Facebook and its ilk. -mel beckman > On Apr 18, 2019, at 7:18 AM, Rich Kulawiec wr

Re: NTP question

Like I said, bigger problems. :) Enemies aren’t dependent on US GPS, by the way. lol! -mel via cell > On May 2, 2019, at 12:31 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: > > > > --- m...@beckman.org wrote: > From: Mel Beckman > > But wait. What is the GPS constellation goes down

Re: NTP question

, 2019 at 8:35 PM Mel Beckman mailto:m...@beckman.org>> wrote: I can tell you how the GPS server behaves when it loses it signal: it stops giving out verified time and lapses into Stratum-“goners” mode. But today’s RTP chips don’t start losing seconds-per-day when they are free runnin

Re: NTP question

, compute sunrise and sunset, and other functions that rely upon the correct date and time. However, the positioning accuracy will not be affected. The device will continue to deliver the same positioning performance as before the rollover. -mel On May 1, 2019, at 8:56 PM, Mel Beckman mailto:m

Re: NTP question

Stephen, LOL. That’s not a real problem with today’s microprocessors. The TM1000A, for example: “...is capable of serving 135+ synchronizations per second. That provides support for over 120,000+ devices updating every 15 minutes on the network.” As for ARP traffic deluges, if that’s

Re: NTP question

. -mel > On May 1, 2019, at 8:13 PM, Harlan Stenn wrote: > > > >> On 5/1/19 7:54 PM, Mel Beckman wrote: >> Harlan, >> >> Why? The GPS NTP Server is Stratum-1. If it fails computer clocks will >> freewheel for hours or days before losing significant ti

Re: NTP question

might not be aware, but zero US air carriers had any unplanned downtime from the GPS rollover. I can’t say the same thing for certain Asian air carriers :) -mel via cell > On May 1, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Gary E. Miller wrote: > > Yo Mel! > > On Thu, 2 May 2019 03:30:03 +0000 >

Re: NTP question

I’m talking about _my_ GPS server. I have no idea what you’ve cobbled up :) -mel > On May 1, 2019, at 8:41 PM, Gary E. Miller wrote: > > Yo Mel! > > On Thu, 2 May 2019 03:35:31 +0000 > Mel Beckman wrote: > >> I can tell you how the GPS server behaves when it l

Re: Packetstream - how does this not violate just about every provider's ToS?

channel (e.g., WiFi) from the residence, not passing data through the residence. -mel via cell > On Apr 26, 2019, at 8:48 AM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. > wrote: > > > >> On Apr 26, 2019, at 9:24 AM, Mel Beckman wrote: >> >> With all due respect, you haven’t y

Re: Crowdfunding critical infrastructure

Eric, Not to go too far afield, but I’m also not on anyone’s payroll, so I buy my own individual-plan health insurance. Yes, it’s more expensive, but that’s the price of not having just one boss :) -mel beckman > On Jun 27, 2019, at 10:46 AM, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > > Meh

Re: Reddit down

Reddit down? “I sense an improvement in The Force” :) -mel > On Jul 11, 2019, at 7:54 AM, Miles Fidelman > wrote: > > Seems to be having problems here. > > Was getting "CDN can't reach" messages, now getting reddit pages - but the > individual lines are listing "something went wrong, don't

Re: OffTopic: Telecom Fraud

Dovid, You are correct that your message is off topic. I respectfully ask that you honor the rules of this mailing list and refrain from off topic posts. They simply add noise to an otherwise useful and highly germane experts resource. -mel beckman On Apr 23, 2019, at 1:24 PM, Dovid Bender

Re: OffTopic: Telecom Fraud

subscr...@lists.blank.org<mailto:nanog-offtopic-subscr...@lists.blank.org> and reply to the confirm message it will generate.” -mel via cell On Apr 23, 2019, at 1:53 PM, Mel Beckman mailto:m...@beckman.org>> wrote: Dovid, You are correct that your message is off topic. I respectfully ask that yo

Re: Packetstream - how does this not violate just about every provider's ToS?

Anne, With all due respect, you haven’t yet cited an example of an ISP TOS at “every provider” that this new company’s product violates. I’m not asking you to critique TORs, I’m asking that you tell us the TOS restriction that you believe is so obvious to everyone? Because it’s not obvious to

Re: Public Subnet re-assignments

ws you do find out that you may have a DOS or a DDOS attack going on your .3 address. Michel. On 6/25/19 3:30 PM, Mel Beckman wrote: > Also, what do you mean by “join to /30 public subnets to a /29”? You can’t > overlap subnets, if that’s what you’re thinking. > > -mel > &

Re: really amazon?

So yeah... really amazon? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 29, 2019, at 7:07 PM, Mel Beckman wrote: >> >> Dan, >> >> I don’t really have the time to parse the debug output you sent. If you want >> me, or most others, to pay attention to your post, pl

Re: really amazon?

Dan, I don’t really have the time to parse the debug output you sent. If you want me, or most others, to pay attention to your post, please provide a more detailed explanation of what the deal is than “Really, amazon?” -mel > On Jul 29, 2019, at 4:03 PM, Dan Hollis wrote: > > Amazon, you

Re: The Curious Case of 143.95.0.0/16

Ronald, I have one question, “of late”, regarding your post: Is it “Antia” or “Anita”? :) -mel > On Aug 27, 2019, at 11:27 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette > wrote: > > Fair Warning: Those of you not enamored of my long-winded exposés of > various remarkable oddities of the IPv4 address space

Re: IPAM recommendations

Todd, I don’t think this is a reasonable understanding of Nanog. Nanog members ask each other for operational tool recommendations all the time, and since these products are right up the alley of Nanog’s mission — network operations — it’s a perfectly reasonable use of Nanog. But you read a

Re: IPAM recommendations

I agree with Phil, Netbox is a great opens source IPAM project. We currently use ManageEngine, but I plan to switch to Netbox when our current license is up for renewal. NetBox. The project is supported by Digital Ocean, which is the kind of corporate sponsorship that keeps open source project

Re: Cogent & FDCServers: Knowingly aiding and abetting fraud and theft?

uilding. I tried sending email to the registered “.gov.au<http://gov.au>” address: d...@pma.vic.gov.au<mailto:d...@pma.vic.gov.au> But the domain does not exist. -mel beckman On Sep 6, 2019, at 1:30 AM, Ronald F. Guilmette mailto:r...@tristatelogic.com>> wrote: Few of you here pro

Re: Cogent & FDCServers: Knowingly aiding and abetting fraud and theft?

Ron, I’m just saying that I randomly checked one fact and it doesn’t meet the level of positive certainty that you asserted. It’s thus reasonable to ask you to double check your research all around. I’m not willing to be your unpaid copy editor, so let me know when you’ve done a double check

Re: Elad Cohen

I think it’s time to take this name-calling, libel-threatening tirade off of Nanog, gentlemen. I can’t see any further relevance in this discussion to Nanog’s mission of operational issues, and you all just burn CPU cycles the rest of us don’t want to give up. Have a nice day. -mel beckman

Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet

> ISPs and CDNs don't have to provide service to anyone. You mean like bakers don’t have to sell cakes to anyone? :) -mel > On Aug 6, 2019, at 9:40 PM, John Levine wrote: > > ISPs and CDNs don't have to provide service to > anyone.

Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet

John, Please reread my comments. I did not say “carriers” and specifically excluded the FCC’s definition. I said “Common Carriers”, as defined by Common Law. The DMCA asserts that they must operate as CCs under this definition: in order to get protection under Safe Harbor they must function as

Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet

“Now, enough of this off-topic stuff and back to our regularly scheduled programming.” Keith, what could be more on-topic than an ISP’s status as a common carrier? Seems pretty operational to me. -mel > On Aug 5, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Keith Medcalf wrote: > > Now, enough of this off-topic

Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet

. If a common carrier chooses to censor legal speech, which is what Cloudfare has done, then it loses its CC status and can now be sued for that speech. -mel beckman > On Aug 5, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Keith Medcalf wrote: > > >> On Sunday, 4 August, 2019 21:41, Mehmet Akcin wro

Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet

if you want to discuss, please do so directly. On Aug 5, 2019, at 11:13 AM, Mel Beckman mailto:m...@beckman.org>> wrote: Mehmet, I’m not sure if you understand the terms under which ISPs operate as “common carriers”, and thus enjoy immunity from lawsuits due to the acts of their cus

Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet

The best cure for speech is more speech. +1E07 On Aug 5, 2019, at 10:05 AM, William Herrin mailto:b...@herrin.us>> wrote: On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 8:41 PM Mehmet Akcin mailto:meh...@akcin.net>> wrote: Ok, two mass shootings, touchy topic, lots of emotions this weekend. Going straight to the

Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet

> On Aug 5, 2019, at 8:54 AM, Keith Medcalf wrote: > > >> On Monday, 5 August, 2019 09:16, Mel Beckman wrote: >> >> “Now, enough of this off-topic stuff and back to our regularly >> scheduled programming.” > >> Keith, what could be more on-topic t

Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet

cause of action than if that traffic passed through AT leased lines. Not that they haven’t tried. -mel On Aug 5, 2019, at 11:34 AM, Valdis Klētnieks mailto:valdis.kletni...@vt.edu>> wrote: On Mon, 05 Aug 2019 18:19:06 -0000, Mel Beckman said: I notice you didn’t provide any actua

Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet

11:15 AM, Mel Beckman wrote: >> Keith, what could be more on-topic than an ISP’s status as a common >> carrier? Seems pretty operational to me. > > Mel gets to decide what's on topic and off topic for the nanog list? > > :D > -- > Bryan Fields > > 727-409-1194 - Voice > http://bryanfields.net

Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet

carrier aspect of ISPs as "service providers who are passive conduits”. -mel On Aug 5, 2019, at 9:41 AM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. mailto:amitch...@isipp.com>> wrote: On Aug 5, 2019, at 10:02 AM, Mel Beckman mailto:m...@beckman.org>> wrote: Patrick, You’re confusing the FC

Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet

Anne, Is the CLOUD Act germane to North American network operations (the mission of NANOG)? My understanding is that this ACT was to help solve problems the FBI had with obtaining remote data through overseas service providers, through SCA warrants. SCA already compels U.S.- and Canada-based

Re: the CLOUD Act (was What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet)

My final comment on the original proposition of this thread, "What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet.” is that no, we can’t remove racism from the Internet and still have free speech on, at least, democratically-administered Internet realms. -mel On Aug 6, 2019, at 12:43

Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet

Anne, I can see the 4th amendment violation here, but are there operational issues with ISPs? For example, CALEA requires telecommunications carriers (or VoIP providers) to provide voice data streams to law enforcement agencies in real time. NSLs require production of customer information in

Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet

by safe Harbor. Is that the case? -mel via cell > On Aug 5, 2019, at 4:02 PM, Valdis Klētnieks wrote: > > On Mon, 05 Aug 2019 20:40:43 -0000, Mel Beckman said: >> The key misunderstanding on your part is the phrase “on your servers”. ISPs >> acting as conduits do not, by de

Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet

Valdis, You agree that the CDN content is temporary, no? That is the definition of processes used by an ISP providing pure transport services. -mel via cell > On Aug 5, 2019, at 11:36 PM, Valdis Klētnieks wrote: > > On Tue, 06 Aug 2019 06:15:36 -0000, Mel Beckman said: > &

Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet

Eric, Not really. The customer provides the content on its own servers. The CDN simply redistributes the content via temporary caching. It’s not a web hosting provider. The CDN _customer_ hosts the content. -mel beckman On Aug 5, 2019, at 11:09 PM, Eric Kuhnke mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com

Re: Multi-day GNSS Galileo outage -- Civilization survives

I suspect the Vatican was involved :) -mel > On Jul 19, 2019, at 12:20 AM, George Herbert wrote: > > Worthwhile noting however that they’re not reliably pushing notifications to > people on their notifications list. > > Worthwhile checking fundamentals you do depend on with your own low

Re: 44.192.0.0/10 sale

Bryan, I appreciate you passing on information about technical background regarding the 44/10 sale, but before this discussion goes any further down a rathole, let me point out tour vitriol is off-topic and doesn’t belong on this list. I for one don’t appreciate you airing amateur radio

Re: 44/8

Please take this off-topic argument off the Nanog list. -mel via cell > On Jul 19, 2019, at 11:17 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > > On Fri, 19 Jul 2019, Phil Karn wrote: > >>> And one of the principal people in the network telescope project was KC, >>> who also weaseled herself onto the ARDC

Re: ISP Job

What are your credentials? -mel beckman > On Sep 23, 2019, at 1:02 AM, David Ratkay wrote: > > I have been looking to work at an ISP for a long time now. I live in Northern > Indiana in the US and there seems to not be much opportunities to work for an > ISP in t

Re: ISP Job

What is it windows desktop helpdesk support? That’s the most common, but the least useful for ISPs. If you have help desk support troubleshooting network problems, that’s more useful. Your Cisco skills will get you in an entry level position at most WISPs, and MPLS skills are a plus, as many

Re: Optical training

FiberU (https://fiberu.org) has a lot of decent free training materials. Their emphasis is on physical installation, but they do cover DWDM, Bi-Di, and related physics in some of their videos. If you’re looking for DWDM design and provisioning, you’ll probably have to pay for vendor-specific

Re: Disney+ Streaming

I concur. This is silly off-topic. You don’t have to go home, but you can’t stay here, according to NANOG guidelines. -mel > On Nov 13, 2019, at 4:57 AM, Bryan Holloway wrote: > >  > >> On 11/13/19 1:06 PM, Niels Bakker wrote: >> * mikeboli...@gmail.com (Mike Bolitho) [Wed 13 Nov 2019,

Re: Question about normal ops - BGP Flaps nightly

No. There should be no reason to bounce the session. Do you have soft updates turn on? -mel via cell > On Nov 21, 2019, at 1:46 AM, Christopher Morrow > wrote: > > Howdy! > A question of interest to me, currently, is whether it's normal for > providers to cause BGP flaps to their customers

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