Re: Stealthy Overlay Network Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block

> Regards, >>> >>> >>> Abe (2024-01-18 22:48) >>> >>> Wow, changes happen when one is busy. When was the acronym "RAN" applied to a "Stealthy Overlay Network"? In my experience RAN is most often a Radio Access Network (military and cellular nets). Return Authorization Number is accepted usage in commerce. I now have several questions: Shouldn't the acronym be SON, except that is also used many places? Why are we discussing a "Stealthy Overlay Network" anyway? If truly is stealthy, it is probably not guided by RFC. What does OpenWRT have to do with this? I saw the beginning of this discussion long long ago. I still do not understand the merits of messing with IPv4 address allocations, especially comparing cost of a limited lifetime "Stealthy Overlay Network" as comparted to actually deploying and using IPv6. Where will be the long term savings? IPv6 has an expected lifetime far in excess of any hacks to extend IPv4 lifetime. Show me the money. - James R Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com

Re: How threading works (was Re: Root Cause Re: 202401102221.AYC Re: Streamline The CG-NAT Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block)

imes damaging comprehension of the continuing thread (conversation). I don't claim it violates the ADA, but it should especially when willfully continued after requests for amended behavior. Lazarus Long would probably express this more cogently. In the interest of polite conversation, - James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com

Re: NTP Sync Issue Across Tata (Europe)

ist included NIST, USNO, and other similar sources distributed globally. The magic of Dr. Mills algorithm made truechimers of the intranet NTP server set which did serve well for the lifetime of the company. - James R. Cutler

Re: NTP Sync Issue Across Tata (Europe)

<http://time.apple.com/> or a similar source. - James R. Cutler > > William, > > Due to flaws in the NTP protocol, a simple UDP filter is not enough. These > flaws make it trivial to spoof NTP packets, and many firewalls have no > specific protection against this. in o

Re: Let's Focus on Moving Forward Re: V6 still not supported

On Mar 31, 2022, at 11:51 PM, Masataka Ohta wrote: > > Owen DeLong wrote: > >> It still suffers from a certain amount of opacity across administrative >> domains. > > So, if an IPv6 prefix is assigned to an apartment building and > the building has no logging mechanism on how addresses are

Re: V6 still not supported

On Mar 24, 2022, at 9:25 PM, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: > > I think that we’re still OK on allocation policies. What I’d like to see is > an end to the IPv4-think in large ISPs, such as Comcast’s continued micro > allocations to their customers. What exactly is your definition of “micro

Re: BOOTP & ARP history

> On Mar 19, 2022, at 2:49 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: > > IPv6 in comparison was very familiar ground. To me it seemed that it was ipv4 > with bigger addresses and that was about it. But I've never understood all of > the strum und drang about ipv6. As one tightly involved in multiprotocol

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

On Sep 25, 2021, at 8:44 PM, Valdis Klētnieks wrote: > > On Sat, 25 Sep 2021 23:20:26 +0200, Baldur Norddahl said: > >> We should remember there are also multiple ways to print IPv4 addresses. >> You can zero extend the addresses and on some ancient systems you could >> also use the integer

Re: 10g residential CPE

support calls (which would likely not decrease anyway). An intangible benefit of ‘free residential service’ is creation of good will far exceeding that received by many other ISPs. - James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com GPG keys: hkps://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net

Re: Are the days of the showpiece NOC office display gone forever?

so much there during construction, I was taken aback when I realized I did not recognize the inside the building with it’s finished walls. That implies “at least 15 years” could well be “30 years” . James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com GPG keys: hkps://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net

Re: "Hacking" these days - purpose?

The probable "purpose of obtaining illicit access to random devices on the Internet these days” is to create botnets to attack more lucrative targets or to employ them as gateway devices to provide access to local networks which may contain targets of interest. James R. Cutler jame

Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues

DELIBERATE TOP POST It would be helpful to the NANOG list if posters could try to follow posting guidelines and discuss technical (not personal) topics. James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com GPG keys: hkps://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net > On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:04 AM, Elad Cohen wr

Re: Chairman Pai Proposes Mandating STIR/SHAKEN To Combat Robocalls

phones” is to require telcos to verify the Caller ID which is delivered to landline telephones along with the ring signal. Again, this is not likely since it would impact the telco’s profit margin. James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com GPG keys: hkps://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net

Re: User Unknown (WAS: really amazon?)

> On Aug 12, 2019, at 3:52 PM, Henry Yen wrote: > > ftp://rfc-editor.org <ftp://rfc-editor.org/> ftp://rfc-editor.org <ftp://rfc-editor.org/> still mounts perfectly well using macOS Finder but shows to be now devoid of useful content via ftp. James R. Cutler james.cut.

Re: netstat -s, but off topic a bit

tat -r is ip route. > Replacement for netstat -i is ip -s link. > Replacement for netstat -g is ip maddr. Microsoft (Windows, that is) and Apple macOS have no knowledge of ss. That is why I use netstat often, but never netstat -s to diagnose routing. (Hi, Randy.) James R. Cutler james.cut...

Re: Time and Timing Servers

st likely affect other things more strongly than Time differences. James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com GPG keys: hkps://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net

Re: any interesting/useful resources available to IPv6 only?

> > hope this helps, > > Doug The most valuable/useful network resource available today using IPv6 is a mobile network customer. (Not necessarily IPV6 only, but IPv4 requires extra effort.) - James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com GPG keys: hkps://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net

Re: NTP question

> On May 2, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Harlan Stenn wrote: > > > > On 5/2/2019 9:13 AM, James R Cutler wrote: >>> On May 2, 2019, at 10:59 AM, William Herrin >> <mailto:b...@herrin.us>> wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 7:03 PM Harlan St

Re: NTP question

> On May 2, 2019, at 10:59 AM, William Herrin wrote: > > On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 7:03 PM Harlan Stenn > wrote: > It's not clear to me that there's anything *wrong* with using the pool, > especially if you're using our 'pool' directive in your config file. > > The one

Re: NTP question

urces for > your internal NTP servers and you peer with enough other, possibly your, > servers. > >> Regards, >> Bill Herrin > > -- > Harlan Stenn > http://networktimefoundation.org - be a member! To amplify the points made by Harlan Stenn: Four i

Re: NTP Question

On Wed, May 01, 2019 at 02:35:58PM -0700, Harlan Stenn wrote: > - Why do folks want to have one or more NTP server masters that have at > least 1 refclock on them in a data center, instead of having their data > center NTP server masters that only get time over the internet? Answers to that

My .sig (Was Re: Packetstream - how does this not violate just about every provider's ToS?)

the posting identity. James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com GPG keys: hkps://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net

Re: Comcast storing WiFi passwords in cleartext?

> On Apr 25, 2019, at 8:26 AM, K. Scott Helms wrote: > > People are missing the point here. This is _not_ a Comcast "issue" this same > data is available to every single cable operator in the US who deploys > bundled modem/router/APs that follow the CableLabs standard. They may or may > not

Re: Frontier rural FIOS & IPv6

future cost avoidance opportunity. Even ISPs that say, “My network is just fine.” will eventually run into this financial reality. James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com GPG keys: hkps://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net

Re: Network Speed Testing and Monitoring Platform

happened. It would be nice to see something. I participated in bufferbloat testing on Comcast Business Internet some years ago and have never seen any results published. James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com GPG keys: hkps://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net

Re: plaintext email?

theworld.com | > http://www.TheWorld.com > Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD | 800-THE-WRLD > The World: Since 1989 | A Public Information Utility | *oo* James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com GPG keys: hkps://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net

Re: Top Posting Was: Re: plaintext email?

On Jan 15, 2019, at 1:06 PM, John Levine wrote: > > By the way, have you changed and memorized all your passwords for this > month yet? No, I do not follow a predictable rhythm in changing passwords. Some change frequently, some change infrequently. I only remember my login password, my

Top Posting Was: Re: plaintext email?

no browser dependancies and the archived version remains readable. James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com GPG keys: hkps://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 8:39 PM mailto:valdis.kletni...@vt.edu>> wrote: A: Because it messes up the order in which people normall

Re: plaintext email?

On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 01:50:58PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: > People use plain-text e-mail on purpose? Yes. James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com GPG keys: hkps://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net

Re: Stupid Question maybe?

> On Dec 18, 2018, at 5:43 PM, Brandon Martin wrote: > > On 12/18/18 2:58 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: >> You can safely say that 72.234.7.0/24 is a >> Class C/sized/ network. >> -- >> But most don't say that. They just say it's >> a Class C, which it most

Re: GTT Regulatory Recovery Surcharge

On Dec 2, 2018, at 6:04 PM, Clayton Zekelman wrote: > > I can't imagine how the corporate sociopaths could justify charging an > American recovery fee on a service delivered in Canada. I would speculate that the reason is ever popular ‘because they can”. James R. Cutler

Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test

Andy, Received on iPhone 7/iOS 12 on Sprint in SE Michigan. > -Original Message- > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Andy Ringsmuth > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 2:53 PM > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test > > Did

Re: Proving Gig Speed

> On Jul 16, 2018, at 4:31 PM, Carlos Alcantar wrote: > > It's a complete rabbit hole different hardware with different browsers give > different readings, even not having your laptop plugged into power can cause > a change in results due to dropping cpu to power save. The only reliable >

Re: SIP fax sending software?

website for more details on inbound fax, document scanning, HIPAA, and other features. James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com PGP keys at http://pgp.mit.edu

Re: USB Ethernet Adapters

> On May 16, 2018, at 5:55 AM, ~ wrote: > > AK-A7611011 The Anker USB-C to Ethernet adapter also uses the Realtek 0x8153 chip.

Re: Cloudflare 1.1.1.1 public DNS broken w/ AT CPE

important in the future as IPv6 withers away and is replaced by IPv4. And, I repeat, please tell me how many end users know about or care about DNS, even after reading snake oil advertisements. James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com PGP keys at http://pgp.mit.edu

Re: Yet another Quadruple DNS?

of users simply does not even know what DNS is. And, supposedly, we wise NANOG people know how to cut and paste. - 75.75.75.75 James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com <mailto:james.cut...@consultant.com> PGP keys at http://pgp.mit.edu <http://pgp.mit.edu/>

Re: Waste will kill ipv6 too

On Dec 28, 2017, at 4:31 PM, Thomas Bellman wrote: > > On 2017-12-28 22:31, Owen DeLong wrote: > >> Sure, but that’s intended in the design of IPv6. There’s really no need >> to think beyond 2^64 because the intent is that a /64 is a single subnet >> no matter how many or

Re: Waste will kill ipv6 too

[Deliberate top post] All this fear about “waste” killing IPv6 is unwarranted. It is about time to look at the business aspect of wasting human resources fiddling with micro-optimization. We seem to have have two choices: A. Keep arguing and complicating management of the IPv6 Internet and

Re: MPLS in the campus Network?

y. Apple’s Back to My Mac service is one example. *Apple’s "Back to My Mac” Wide Area Bonjour is enabled on an Airport basestation by entering appropriate Apple ID and password data in the Base Station tab as accessed by Airport Utility. James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com PGP keys at http://pgp.mit.edu

Re: packet loss question

ing the operator of www.teco.com <http://www.teco.com/> to confirm the system is actually on line and operational. Contact information for tech.com is in whois. Auxiliary information - traceroute data from a system in plymouth.mi.michigan.comcast.net <http://plymouth.mi.michigan.comc

Re: IPv6 Implementation and CPE Behavior

> On Jan 11, 2016, at 1:37 PM, Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com> wrote: > > >> On Jan 11, 2016, at 10:23 , James R Cutler <james.cut...@consultant.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On Jan 11, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Graham Johnston <johnst...@westmancom.com&g

Re: IPv6 Implementation and CPE Behavior

ually set Internet Options to Configure IPv6: Link-local only. This should not make any difference, but it makes me and some eyeballs happier. James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com PGP keys at http://pgp.mit.edu

Re: Nat

Comments inline > On Dec 22, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > > >> On Dec 22, 2015, at 01:21 , Bjørn Mork wrote: >> >> Owen DeLong writes: On Dec 20, 2015, at 08:57 , Mike Hammett wrote: >>> The idea that

Re: Nat

default routes. This simple position is independent of IPv4/IPv6 differences. All that is necessary is for us to end the years of religious debate of DHCP vs RA and to start providing solutions that meet business management needs. James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com PGP keys at http://pgp.

Re: reliably detecting the presence of a bridge?

> On Dec 19, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Larry Sheldon wrote: > > On 12/19/2015 12:17, William Herrin wrote: > > [snip] > >> I recommend you stop using the word "bridge." I think see where you're >> heading with it, but I think you're chasing a blind alley which >> encourages a

Re: Modem as a service?

just get a single instrument wireless telephone with answering capability. For a bonus, put some kind of identifier in the answering message: No power > no answer; power > answer. James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com PGP keys at http://pgp.mit.edu

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

business purpose is served by fighting full-functioned DHCPv6 deployment. Don’t give me any RFC or protocol arguments - just tell me the business reasons for forcing others to change how they manage their business. James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com PGP keys at http://pgp.mit.edu

Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality]

. Could there be peer to peer traffic that you do not see? James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com PGP keys at http://pgp.mit.edu On Mar 6, 2015, at 11:35 PM, Frank Bulk frnk...@iname.com wrote: The download/upload in our residential/business eyeball network has been trending a 95th

Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality]

speed? I’m not certain that is reasonable. James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com PGP keys at http://pgp.mit.edu signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail

Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality]

Mike, I’m probably happy that I am not normal, as are my clients not normal. Why are you descending to ad hominem rather than facts? James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com PGP keys at http://pgp.mit.edu On Feb 28, 2015, at 1:04 PM, Mike Hammett na...@ics-il.net wrote: Do normal

Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality

not be symmetrical, but where demand exists, it is often for symmetrical speeds. Side note: Did I not read that asymmetric paths tend to exacerbate Buffer Bloat? James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com PGP keys at http://pgp.mit.edu the users generally download more than they upload.” may

Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality

faster than upstream demand. The demand may not be symmetrical, but where demand exists, it is often for symmetrical speeds. Side note: Did I not read that asymmetric paths tend to exacerbate Buffer Bloat? James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com PGP keys at http://pgp.mit.edu signature.asc

Re: IPv6 Default Allocation - What size allocation are you giving out

the cost of doing business. Things change. Customer requirements change. Arrange your network so that customers can do what they need without configuration costs on your part. Follow the money. Then keep it. James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com PGP keys at http://pgp.mit.edu

Re: IPv6 Default Allocation - What size allocation are you giving out

business decision. Easy-peasy. James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com PGP keys at http://pgp.mit.edu signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail

Re: Saying goodnight to my GSR

at 13:46:36 UTC Tue Sep 6 2005 SNIP/ Matt, Wow. You have amazing power reliability! Want to tell us your secret? Regards. James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com PGP keys at http://pgp.mit.edu signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail

Re: Credit to Digital Ocean for ipv6 offering

On Jun 19, 2014, at 2:02 PM, Daniel Ankers md1...@md1clv.com wrote: One of the key things with IPv6 (IMHO) is to stop thinking about addresses, and instead just think about networks. Judging by Owen's earlier mail I may not have that quite right and the key might even be to think about

Re: Credit to Digital Ocean for ipv6 offering

time assign the IPv6 Prefix - sort of like Ma Bell does with phone numbers. Since one of my goals as a network provider is to be competitive in price, minimizing extraneous labor costs helps me to still make a modest profit. James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com PGP keys at http

Re: Time Warner IPv6 Reverse DNS?

for rdns, it really difficult to provide advice. James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com PGP keys at http://pgp.mit.edu signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail

Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP

All this talk about symmetry and asymmetry is interesting. Has anyone actually quantified how much congestion is due to buffer bloat which is, in turn, exacerbated by asymmetric connections? James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com PGP keys at http://pgp.mit.edu signature.asc

Re: NANOG 61 Bellevue - DNS Track

Randy, To an engineer, that _IS_ attractive. Jim On Apr 26, 2014, at 9:47 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: I am trying to organize the DNS Track and as usual we would like to make this very attractive. mehmet, i know you're an engineer. screw attractive. how about

Re: IPv6 isn't SMTP

of the fact of some operators not implementing RDNS. ... Fred Baker describes the requirements in a most satisfactory manner. Thank you, Fred. James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com PGP keys at http://pgp.mit.edu signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail

Re: How to catch a cracker in the US?

On Mar 13, 2014, at 12:46 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:45 AM, James R Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com wrote: And Bill documents yet another redefinition. Prior to that time, at MIT a hacker produced a novel variation of technology using it in ways

Re: How to catch a cracker in the US?

On Mar 13, 2014, at 3:24 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 3:15 PM, James R Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com wrote: As of early 1960's - See history of WTBS, Ralph Zaorski, Dick Gruen, Alan Kent, and many others - The then current usage of hacker was simply

Re: Filter NTP traffic by packet size?

. 3. Provide that list of external NTP servers to the firewall engineer to add to a permit ACL (deny all others) James R. Cutler - james.cut...@consultant.com PGP keys at http://pgp.mit.edu signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail

Re: OpenNTPProject.org

On Feb 17, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Anthony Williams alby.willi...@verizon.com wrote: Blake: Just to make sure I've got this down, listing a device as a peer in the ntp.conf file will create a situation where both devices are saying, I know what time it is and splitting the difference? Whereas

Re: OpenNTPProject.org

nopeer noquery It might be useful to note that OS X has long since included these lines in the default NTP daemon configuration (/etc/ntp-restrict.conf) thus, “No worrys, mate. James R. Cutler - james.cut...@consultant.com PGP keys at http://pgp.mit.edu signature.asc Description: Message signed

Re: Need trusted NTP Sources

On Feb 9, 2014, at 3:50 PM, Larry Sheldon larryshel...@cox.net wrote: On 2/9/2014 2:45 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: Or do I understand NTP less well than I think? I am of the private opinion that if your name is not David Mill (and MAYBE if it IS) the answer is either 42 or yes. — ... From

Re: turning on comcast v6

On Dec 31, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Ryan Harden harde...@uchicago.edu wrote: On Dec 31, 2013, at 1:10 AM, Timothy Morizot tmori...@gmail.com wrote: I've been in the process of rolling out IPv6 (again this night) across a very large, highly conservative, and very bureaucratic enterprise. (Roughly

Re: ISP port blocking practice

is not blocked by content. So, no, blocking any port is NOT against the idea of Net Neutrality. On Oct 23, 2009, at 5:19 PM, Lee Riemer wrote: Isn't blocking any port against the idea of Net Neutrality? James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com

Re: ISP port blocking practice

content. On Oct 23, 2009, at 6:15 PM, Dan White wrote: On 23/10/09 17:58 -0400, James R. Cutler wrote: Blocking the well known port 25 does not block sending of mail. Or the message content. It does block incoming SMTP traffic on that well known port. I think the relevant neutrality

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

, or even social- engineering distributed malware began to affect BGP! Give the router managers the NTP server addresses and their DHCP forwarding list and leave them alone to produce a robust and reliable transport facility! James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com

[DHCPv6] was Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

...@xxx - CCIE 3440 PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/ Read TMBG List - tmbg-list-requ...@, www.tmbg.org James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com

Re: ISP customer assignments - and CIDR

addressing except to note that it is archaic, anachronistic, and used only by those who remain ignorant by preference. James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com

Re: [Nanog-futures] Draft Policy re individual sites

the MLC send gentle reminders to keep us on track. That is a major part of the MLC responsibility. Is not mine or Bob's or Ted's or Alice's. James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org http

Re: Redundant AS's

(and v6 for that matter) Attempts at recovering 2byte ASN's (and v4 space..) are short term solutions, at best extend the 'free pool' for a short and unpredictable period of time, while incurring more headache, expense, and arguing, than working toward supporting the inevitable. James R

Re: v6 DSL / Cable modems

such. No, this information must be available in *one* place. It's called a DHCP server. As an operator, this is clearly what I want, both for IPv4 and IPv6. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sth...@nethelp.no James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com

Re: v6 DSL / Cable modems [was: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space (IPv6-MW)]

considering all the business management requirements that end user systems must meet. They are all correct, but not right. James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com

Re: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space

do that. randy James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com

Re: Possible explanations for a large hop in latency

performance issue, or is there some logical explanation? Frank James R. Cutler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Nanog-futures] Announce list: Re: Hughes Network

) -- ___ NANOG-announce mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-announce James R. Cutler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Nanog-futures] reply-to

So, in economic terms, the list will be more costly to maintain, as well as less pleasant to maintain. Who is going to pay? James R. Cutler [EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 8, 2008, at 11:35 AM, Jim Popovitch wrote: In the end everybody wins... except the guys/gals who have to maintain

Re: potential hazards of Protect-America act

://www.crypto.com/papers/paa-ieee.pdf Among other things, it discusses technical hazards of the act. --Michael Dillon James R. Cutler [EMAIL PROTECTED]