Re: corporations using BGP for advertising prefixes in mid-1990s

2011-05-20 Thread John Payne
On May 12, 2011, at 8:31 PM, Roy wrote: On 5/12/2011 4:03 PM, George Herbert wrote: Large end-user companies generally multihomed by that time, and you generally did that by BGP4 at the time (post-1994), and before that BGP3, and before that EGP, and before that... well, there was

Re: quietly....

2011-02-02 Thread John Payne
On Feb 2, 2011, at 3:16 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 2 feb 2011, at 4:51, Dave Israel wrote: They were features dreamed up by academics, theoreticians, and purists, and opposed by operators. Contrary to popular belief, the IETF listens to operators and wants them to participate.

Re: quietly....

2011-02-02 Thread John Payne
On Feb 2, 2011, at 10:23 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 2 feb 2011, at 16:00, Owen DeLong wrote: SLAAC fails because you can't get information about DNS, NTP, or anything other than a list of prefixes and a router that MIGHT actually be able to default-route your packets. Who ever

Re: quietly....

2011-02-02 Thread John Payne
On Feb 2, 2011, at 6:18 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: NAT66 is different. NAT66 breaks things in ways that impact sites outside of the site choosing to deploy NAT. Examples?

Re: quietly....

2011-02-02 Thread John Payne
On Feb 1, 2011, at 6:15 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: On Feb 1, 2011, at 2:56 PM, John Payne wrote: On Feb 1, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: NAT solves exactly one problem. It provides a way to reduce address consumption to work around a shortage of addresses

Re: quietly....

2011-02-02 Thread John Payne
On Feb 2, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: On Feb 2, 2011, at 11:40 AM, John Payne wrote: On Feb 2, 2011, at 6:18 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: NAT66 is different. NAT66 breaks things in ways that impact sites outside of the site choosing to deploy NAT. Examples? SIP Network

Re: quietly....

2011-02-02 Thread John Payne
On Feb 2, 2011, at 3:12 PM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 2 feb 2011, at 20:37, John Payne wrote: DHCP fails because you can't get a default router out of it. If you consider that wrong, I don't want to be right. Hey, I thought you wanted ops input... Here you are getting it, and look

Re: quietly....

2011-02-02 Thread John Payne
On Feb 2, 2011, at 3:15 PM, George Herbert wrote: On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum iljit...@muada.com wrote: On 2 feb 2011, at 17:14, Dave Israel wrote: I understand people use DHCP for lots of stuff today. But that's mainly because DHCP is there, not because it's

Re: quietly....

2011-02-01 Thread John Payne
On Feb 1, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: NAT solves exactly one problem. It provides a way to reduce address consumption to work around a shortage of addresses. It does not solve any other problem(s). That's a bold statement. Especially as you said NAT and not PAT.

Re: Bogons

2011-01-28 Thread John Payne
On Dec 17, 2010, at 4:06 PM, John Payne wrote: With the holiday freezes approaching, it might be worth making sure that the recently allocated /8s are not in your bogon list 23/8 100/8 5/8 37/8 Just sayin' 105/8, 2/8, etc etc Now that the holidays are over and IANA v4

Re: Bogons

2011-01-28 Thread John Payne
On Jan 28, 2011, at 3:14 PM, George Bonser wrote: Now that the holidays are over and IANA v4 depletion is likely days away, perhaps its time to consider stripping your bogon lists down to the bare minimum, and as someone else said, declare bogons dead and move to martians? Just

Re: What's the current state of major access networks in North America ipv6 delivery status?

2011-01-28 Thread John Payne
On Jan 26, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Charles N Wyble char...@knownelement.com wrote: Comcast is currently conducting trials: http://comcast6.net/ (anyone participated in this?) Yes, and other than the fact that their 6rd implementation only gives me a /64, I've been really happy with it. My wife

Bogons

2010-12-17 Thread John Payne
With the holiday freezes approaching, it might be worth making sure that the recently allocated /8s are not in your bogon list 23/8 100/8 5/8 37/8 Just sayin'

Re: Token ring? topic hijack: was Re: Mystery open source switching

2010-11-03 Thread John Payne
On Nov 3, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Adcock, Matt [HISNA] madc...@hisna.com wrote: To my knowledge Simplex Grinnell fire detection systems currently use token ring. I can't believe I got through is thread (unless the iPhone threading is more broken than usual) without anyone mentioning the fibre

Re: Connectivity to an IPv6-only site

2010-04-23 Thread John Payne
On Apr 23, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Jared Mauch wrote: On Apr 23, 2010, at 5:49 AM, Dave Hart wrote: On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 08:26 UTC, Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca wrote: - in WHOIS, I have ns1 and ns2.onlyv6.com listed as the authoritative name servers - both of these servers *only*

Re: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space

2010-04-08 Thread John Payne
On Apr 8, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Joe Greco wrote: On Apr 7, 2010, at 12:09 PM, John Palmer (NANOG Acct) wrote: Was looking at the ARIN IP6 policy and cannot find any reference to those who have IP4 legacy space. Isn't there an automatic allocation for those of us who have legacy IP space.

Re: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space

2010-04-08 Thread John Payne
On Apr 8, 2010, at 11:36 AM, Joe Greco wrote: IPv6-only content won't be meaningful for years yet, and IPv6-only eyeballs will necessarily be given ways to reach v4 for many years to come. So again, why do WE have to encourage YOU to adopt IPv6? Why should WE care what you do to the point of

Re: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space

2010-04-08 Thread John Payne
On Apr 8, 2010, at 4:01 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 3:49 PM, John Payne j...@sackheads.org wrote: So again, why do WE have to encourage YOU to adopt IPv6? Why should WE care what you do to the point of creating new rules so YOU don't have to pay like everyone else

Re: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space

2010-04-08 Thread John Payne
On Apr 8, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Joe Greco wrote: On Apr 8, 2010, at 11:36 AM, Joe Greco wrote: IPv6-only content won't be meaningful for years yet, and IPv6-only eyeballs will necessarily be given ways to reach v4 for many years to come. So again, why do WE have to encourage YOU to adopt

Re: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space

2010-04-08 Thread John Payne
On Apr 8, 2010, at 4:44 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 4:27 PM, John Payne j...@sackheads.org wrote: On Apr 8, 2010, at 4:01 PM, William Herrin wrote: Because when WE haven't deployed IPv6 yet and YOU have trouble finding a free IPv4 address for your new

Re: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space

2010-04-08 Thread John Payne
On Apr 8, 2010, at 5:14 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 4:51 PM, John Payne j...@sackheads.org wrote: On Apr 8, 2010, at 4:44 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: I think you'll find that the guy deploying the IPv6-only client -or- server is going to be in the minority

Re: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space

2010-04-08 Thread John Payne
On Apr 8, 2010, at 5:38 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: *I* am personally convinced that IPv6 is great, but on the other hand, I do not see so much value in v6 that I am prepared to compel the budgeting for ARIN v6 fees, especially since someone from ARIN just described all the

Re: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space

2010-04-07 Thread John Payne
On Apr 7, 2010, at 12:09 PM, John Palmer (NANOG Acct) wrote: Was looking at the ARIN IP6 policy and cannot find any reference to those who have IP4 legacy space. Isn't there an automatic allocation for those of us who have legacy IP space. If not, is ARIN saying we have to pay them a

Re: Auto MDI/MDI-X + conference rooms + bored == loop

2010-04-05 Thread John Payne
On Mar 26, 2010, at 9:24 PM, Mark Foster blak...@blakjak.net wrote: or reboot is problematic in many cases. Many systems drop link- state during reboot for a long-enough period that the bridge-port restarts its spanning tree process, making results across reboots consistently bad.

Re: IPv4 ANYCAST setup

2010-03-26 Thread John Payne
On Mar 26, 2010, at 9:24 AM, Jeroen Massar wrote: InterNetX - Lutz Muehlig wrote: Hello, has someone experience in anycast ipv4 networks (to support DNS)? Never been done Dangerous TCP does not work etc etc etc. Can't really tell if you're being serious here due to caffeine underrun.

Re: How polluted is 1/8?

2010-02-03 Thread John Payne
On Feb 3, 2010, at 3:10 PM, Joel M Snyder wrote: Having this data is useful, but I can't help to think it would be more useful if it were compared with 27/8, or other networks. Is this slightly worse, or significantly worse than other networks? I have only anecdotal information

Re: Cogent Outage?

2010-01-14 Thread John Payne
On Jan 14, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Kevin Loch wrote: Ketan Mangal wrote: Yes there is a Newyork to Philadelphia fiber cut is there It might not be an outage it might be high latency due to multiple routes going out via there buffalo POP. That fiber cut was at 9:30EST this morning, the major

Re: {SPAM?} Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-22 Thread John Payne
On Oct 22, 2009, at 4:32 PM, Ray Soucy wrote: Knowing about it the instant it happens might even be better than slowly coming to the realization that you're dealing with one. Might just be me, but I'm more worried about the rogue RA (or DHCPv4) server that does not disrupt communication at

Re: Outages in wales ?

2009-07-18 Thread John Payne
On Jul 18, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Simon Lockhart si...@slimey.org wrote: On Sat Jul 18, 2009 at 09:31:56PM +0200, Marc Manthey wrote: hey peoples sorry for my question but a buddy in wales have massive problems with internet connectivity can someone confirm ? I'm just on the welsh border, and

Re: facebook DNS

2009-05-21 Thread John Payne
On May 21, 2009, at 12:03 PM, Patrick Darden wrote: Whois query gets us: NS2.FACEBOOK.COM 204.74.67.132 DNS05.SF2P.TFBNW.NET DNS04.SF2P.TFBNW.NET NS1.FACEBOOK.COM 204.74.66.132 both 204.74.67.132 and 204.74.66.132 are pingable, but DNS queries on them directly get various

Re: BGP FlowSpec support on provider networks

2009-04-10 Thread John Payne
On Apr 10, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Fouant, Stefan stefan.fou...@neustar.biz wrote: Hi folks, I am trying to compile data on which providers are currently supporting BGP Flowspec at their edge, if there are any at all. The few providers I've reached out to have indicated they do not support

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-15 Thread John Payne
. This is an important point in this discussion. There are a lot of comments being made that are just simply wrong and causing confusion because of slips in terminology regarding the path attribute. Thanks Kris - exactly what I was getting to. Kris -Original Message- From: John Payne [mailto:j

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

2009-01-14 Thread John Payne
On Jan 14, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Michienne Dixon wrote: Interesting - So as a cyber criminal - I could setup a router, start announcing AS 16733, 18872, and maybe 6966 for good measure and their routers would ignore my announcements and IP ranges that I siphoned from searching IANA? Hm...

Re: Level3 BGP help

2008-08-01 Thread John Payne
On Aug 1, 2008, at 11:13 AM, Craig Pierantozzi wrote: * Jon Lewis was thought to have said: If someone from Level3 could tell me why routes tagged with 65000:0 and/or 65000:1239 don't actually stop those routes from being advertised to 1239, I'd appreciate it. You should start to see them

Re: [NANOG] Questions about NETCONF

2008-05-16 Thread John Payne
On May 15, 2008, at 10:28 PM, 袁智辉 wrote: How is the state of arts of NETCONF (RFC 4741) protocol? Is there any Network Management System Deployed which is base on NETCONF? I've personally been waiting for the data modeling to be standardized. Yes, it's great and wonderful to have a

Re: [Nanog-futures] List Transistion

2008-04-17 Thread John Payne
for the reply. However I was looking for a more explicit you will/will not have to take action to continue receiving list mail Thanks John -sue John Payne wrote: On Apr 17, 2008, at 9:25 AM, John Payne wrote: Is there a reason you're forcing people to take manual action with 23 hours notice