RE: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet
FYI, Bloomberg BusinessWeek published TODAY a 3,200-word article by Felix Gillette entitled "Section 230 Was Supposed to Make the Internet a Better Place. It Failed" https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-08-07/section-230-was-supposed-to-make-the-internet-a-better-place-it-failed Tony Patti [SW_logo_HighRes]<http://www.swalter.com/> CIO t: (215) 867-8401 f: (215) 268-7184 e: t...@swalter.com<mailto:t...@swalter.com> w: www.swalter.com<http://www.swalter.com/> -Original Message- From: NANOG On Behalf Of Mel Beckman Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 11:36 PM To: John Levine Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet John, Please reread my comments. I did not say “carriers” and specifically excluded the FCC’s definition. I said “Common Carriers”, as defined by Common Law. The DMCA asserts that they must operate as CCs under this definition: in order to get protection under Safe Harbor they must function as a “passive conduit” of information. -mel via cell > On Aug 6, 2019, at 7:36 PM, John Levine > mailto:jo...@iecc.com>> wrote: > > In article > <6956e76b-e6b7-409f-a636-c7607bfd8...@beckman.org<mailto:6956e76b-e6b7-409f-a636-c7607bfd8...@beckman.org>> > you write: >> Mehmet, >> >> I’m not sure if you understand the terms under which ISPs operate as “common >> carriers”, and thus enjoy immunity from lawsuits due to the acts of their >> customers. > > ISPs in the U.S. are not carriers and never have been. Even the ISPs > that are subsidaries of telcos, which are common carriers for their > telco operations, are not common carriers for their ISPs. > > This should not come as surprise to anyone who's spent 15 minutes > looking at the relevant law. > > ISPs are probably protected by 47 USC 230(c)(1) but all of the case > law I know is related to web sites or hosting providers. > >
RE: AT starting to charge for RFOs on ASE tail circuits?
Hi Victor, I was curious about this, so I did a Google search, and found this AT RFO PDF: http://attnocpr.com/custportal/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/ATT-PR-NOC-RFO.pdf While it does not specifically talk to your cost question, it does define a simple procedure to request RFO via email, and one would presume there is no cost, since none specified. Tony Patti [SW_logo_HighRes]<http://www.swalter.com/> CIO t: (215) 867-8401 f: (215) 268-7184 e: t...@swalter.com<mailto:t...@swalter.com> w: www.swalter.com<http://www.swalter.com/> From: NANOG mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org>> On Behalf Of Victor Breen Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 2:35 PM To: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org> Subject: AT starting to charge for RFOs on ASE tail circuits? Hey All, I just caught wind from multiple support reps of ours that AT is now demanding payment to get an RFO. As in, our folks are calling up AT to see why a particular tail circuit was down for whatever period of time and has since come back up with no clear utility power issue or backhoe fade to explain it. The response they get is that an RFO is billable and they have been asked to accept the charge to proceed (which they have rightly rejected thus far). This is the first time I've heard of this happening with any of our last-mile transport providers. I'm very curious, has anyone else experienced this lately with AT or any other carriers? -- Victor Breen | vic...@impulse.net<mailto:vic...@impulse.net> Sr. Engineer | Impulse Advanced Communications www.impulse.net<http://www.impulse.net>
RE: Top-shelf resilience (Re: Why the US Government has so many data centers)
FYI, similar to "battleshort", the term BATTLE OVERRIDE is described [1] on page 45 of G. Gordon Liddy's book _Will_, and apparently [2] "Battle Override" was to be the original title of Liddy's autobiography, but the publisher wanted a one-word title. Quotes: "On the multidialed wall behind the radar technicians was a prominent switch with a red security cover. It was marked: BATTLE OVERRIDE", and "In the event of a battle emergency, however, the protective warm-up delay could be overridden and full power applied immediately by throwing the 'Battle Override' switch, as everything and everyone became expendable in war." Tony Patti CIO [1] https://books.google.com/books?id=YRty_4HT_8kC=PA45=PA45=%22battle+override%22+M-33c=bl=RYLdUECeHF=hs9i6-W_CVwe5ZcjpxbEGSh9TNE=en=X=0ahUKEwi474vOltjLAhUKcRQKHUHmCW4Q6AEIHjAA#v=onepage=%22battle%20override%22%20M-33c=false [2] http://www.worldwizzy.com/library/G._Gordon_Liddy -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Jay R. Ashworth Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 3:59 PM To: North American Network Operators' Group Subject: Top-shelf resilience (Re: Why the US Government has so many data centers) - Original Message - > From: "George Herbert" <george.herb...@gmail.com> > There are corner cases where distributed resilience is paramount, > including a lot of field operations (of all sorts) on ships (and > aircraft and spacecraft), or places where the net really is unstable. > Any generalizations that wrap those legitimate exceptions in are overreaching > their valid descriptive range. This seems like a good time to mention my favorite example of such a thing. In the Navy, originally, and it ended up in a few other places, there was invented the concept of a 'battleshort', or 'battleshunt', depending on whom you're talking to. This was something akin to a Big Frankenstein Knife Switch across the main circuit breaker in a power panel (and maybe a couple branch circuit breakers), whose job was to make sure those didn't trip on you at an inconvenient time. Like when you were trying to lay a gun on a Bad Guy. The engineering decision that was made there was that the minor possiblity of a circuit overheating and starting something on fire was less important that *the ability to shoot at the bad guys*... Or, in my favorite example, something going wrong when launching Apollo rockets. If you examine the Firing Room recorder transcripts from the manned Apollo launches, you will find, somewhere in the terminal count, an instruction to "engage the battle short", or something like that. Men were, I have been told, stationed at strategic locations with extinguishers, in case something which would normally have tripped a breaker was forbidden from doing so by the shunt... so that the power wouldn't go out at T-4 seconds. It's referenced in this article: http://www.honeysucklecreek.net/station/ops_areas.html and a number of other places google will find you. Unknown whether this protocol was still followed in the Shuttle era, or whether it will return in the New Manned Space Flight era. But, like the four star saluting the Medal Of Honor recipient, it's one of those outliers that's *so far* out, that I love and collect them. And it's a good category of idea to have in the back of your head when planning. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
RE: ARIN Region IPv4 Free Pool Reaches Zero
According to http://business.comcast.com/internet/business-internet/static-ip Comcast charges $19.95 per month for one static IPv4 address. Tony Patti CIO -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Bob Evans Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 5:32 PM To: nanog list Subject: Re: ARIN Region IPv4 Free Pool Reaches Zero IPv4's works better today than ever before. IP space in North America has now officially turned into a revenue source for networks. Most private enterprise customers understand costs and profits. Business does not understand free stuff in a free market. Hence, IPv4 is no longer free in a block range perspective. To any business with rising employee medical insurance, electricity and office rent rates, an IP address cost is just not on the radar. Just not a large enough cost to make IPv6 look financially attractive. Only when IPv4 address costs begin to exceed that of the hardware and labor conversion costs, will IPv6 gain traction in North America. So for the most part your teenage kids will grow up in an IPv4 world until they are probably 30,something. But, your grand kids will see IPv4 as s old. That's all contingent upon all the networks we work on start charging $10 or more per IP address per month. Thank You Bob Evans CTO > Remember, the Internet being fully migrated to IPv6 is just 5 yrs away > just like fusion power plants is 20 yrs away (although I think now > they are saying 50 yrs away which would make IPv6 12.5 yrs away). (= > > -- > - > -ITG (ITechGeek) > i...@itechgeek.com > https://itg.nu/ > GPG Keys: https://itg.nu/contact/gpg-key Preferred GPG Key: > Fingerprint: AB46B7E363DA7E04ABFA57852AA9910A DCB1191A Google Voice: > +1-703-493-0128 / Twitter: ITechGeek / Facebook: > http://fb.me/Jbwa.Net > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Mike Hammett <na...@ics-il.net> wrote: > >> = >> The whole reason for the inertia >> against going to IPv6 is "it ain't broke, so I not gonna 'fix' it." >> >> Now it's broke. >> = >> >> ^^^This ^^^ >> >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> - Original Message - >> >> From: "Stephen Satchell" <l...@satchell.net> >> To: nanog@nanog.org >> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 2:38:26 PM >> Subject: Re: ARIN Region IPv4 Free Pool Reaches Zero >> >> On 09/24/2015 09:49 AM, Dovid Bender wrote: >> > The issue now is convincing clients that they need it. The other >> > issue is many software vendors still don't support it. >> >> And this may trigger a refresh on routers, as people old or refurbed >> equipment find they need to change. The whole reason for the inertia >> against going to IPv6 is "it ain't broke, so I not gonna 'fix' it." >> >> Now it's broke. >> >> >
RE: Point to Point Ethernet request
Hi Tom, Yes Comcast has SLA for their Enterprise Services, see page 5 (Schedule A-2) of http://business.comcast.com/docs/ent-terms-and-conditions/Product-Specific-A ttachment-Ethernet-Dedicated-Internet-120412-PUBLISHED-v3.pdf?sfvrsn=0 Tony Patti CIO S. Walter Packaging Corp. -Original Message- From: Tom Morris [mailto:bluen...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 2:38 AM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: Point to Point Ethernet request Do they offer an SLA on that? I've got a couple of broadcast sites that could use a 21st century studio to transmitter link... Bandwidth wouldn't be that spicy (just FM stereo here) but reliability is a must!! An att t1 is even starting to drive us nuts by having seconds long dropouts in the afternoons. Tom Morris, Operations Manager, WDNA-FM This message sent from a mobile device. Silly typos provided free of charge. On Oct 24, 2013 2:14 AM, Crist Clark cjc+na...@pumpky.net wrote: Got 10 GbE service from a data center in Santa Clara to a campus in San Mateo California from Comcast. Been pretty solid. Only blips have been anounced maintenance. When I have contacted support, I really can't complain. It's L2. I see my BPDUs and LLDPDUs come through. So, yeah, it exists. Related, maybe: Has anyone actually seen Comcast's ethernet service? This is advertised as a symmetrical, high-speed (100mb+?) business service not consumer stuff. I called several times out of curiosity. Using the phone number for this service on their website got me switched around several times by people who seemed to barely know what I was talking about. One wanted to engage me in a debate about why asymmetrical 20/7 (whatever it was) isn't good enough I assume because that's all she was involved with so I muttered something about routing net blocks etc so she gave up and switched me again. Fine. Then I'd finally get someone who seemed reasonable, seemed to know what I was asking about, took down my call back info and promised someone would get back to me within one business day. Never got a callback. Tried this a few times, same result. So, does it exist? I suppose if sales won't call you back you have to wonder what support would be like. P.S. Their website for this service invites you to enter your address to see if it's available and assures me it is, that's where you get the phone number to call sales. -- -Barry Shein The World | b...@theworld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 800-THE-WRLD| Dial-Up: US, PR, Canada Software Tool Die| Public Access Internet | SINCE 1989 *oo*
RE: Data Mining/Crawling through a Mailing List
Were you thinking about parsing NANOG and creating a word-based streamgraph like this? http://www.benfarahmand.com/2012/12/psl-listserv-streamgraph.html The author of that streamgraph did provide some additional information on the steps he took to create it, but may be too long (including attachments) to post directly to NANOG. Tony Patti CIO S. Walter Packaging Corp. -Original Message- From: Kasper Adel [mailto:karim.a...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 2:22 PM To: NANOG list Subject: Data Mining/Crawling through a Mailing List Hello, A bit off topic but i was looking for a way/tool that could crawl through nanog(or other) archives and try to filter most common discussions and things like that, if anyone is aware of such a tool, pls let me know. Thanks, Kim
RE: Friday Hosing
I think it is (could be) (should be) realistic for many/most businesses. TWELVE years ago (press release March 20 2001), Comcast deployed Linux-based Sun Cobalt Qube appliances as CPE with their business-class Internet service, these provided firewall security, web caching, optional content filtering, an e-mail server, a web server, file and print servers. http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/comcast-business-communications-hits -a-home-run-with-detroits-comerica-park-71752402.html You could argue that (a) it was not your own server, even though it was CPE, or (b) Comcast did not continue to offer these appliances (i.e. that Sun cancelled the product line), but my point is that it was provided within the economics of the Internet Services being purchased, i.e. not cost-prohibitive. Tony Patti CIO S. Walter Packaging Corp. -Original Message- From: Patrick W. Gilmore [mailto:patr...@ianai.net] Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 6:23 PM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: Friday Hosing On Jul 12, 2013, at 19:22 , Nick Khamis sym...@gmail.com wrote: Set up your own email server, host your own web pages, maintain your own cloud, breath your own oxygen FTW. That's simply not realistic for many companies and essentially all people (to a first approximation). -- TTFN, patrick
RE: Friday Hosing
Jim, thanks, certainly understand business priorities. But Patrick's statement was that a business having its own server was simply not realistic, which I took to be along the dimensions of economically unrealistic or technically unrealistic. In a world of kids growing up with Raspberry Pi's (i.e. their own server to login as root), learning HTML in High School (if not earlier), is it only lack of interest which keeps businesses from having their own server? Is it realistic for companies to have an appliance which can provide email and web? Tony Patti CIO S. Walter Packaging Corp. From: jim deleskie [mailto:deles...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 8:44 PM To: Tony Patti Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: Friday Hosing I could support any of these services myself, and have guys that work me that can as well, but none of these are my core business, and my investors REALLY prefer me focusing on my core business, I suspect most of us have shareholders, investors, owners that feel the same way. I struggled with idea of not running my own boxes for services, but in the end decided that the trade of various gov't reading my boring office mail was the right choice for my business. -jim On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Tony Patti t...@swalter.com wrote: I think it is (could be) (should be) realistic for many/most businesses. TWELVE years ago (press release March 20 2001), Comcast deployed Linux-based Sun Cobalt Qube appliances as CPE with their business-class Internet service, these provided firewall security, web caching, optional content filtering, an e-mail server, a web server, file and print servers. http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/comcast-business-communications-hits http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/comcast-business-communications-hit s-a-home-run-with-detroits-comerica-park-71752402.html -a-home-run-with-detroits-comerica-park-71752402.html You could argue that (a) it was not your own server, even though it was CPE, or (b) Comcast did not continue to offer these appliances (i.e. that Sun cancelled the product line), but my point is that it was provided within the economics of the Internet Services being purchased, i.e. not cost-prohibitive. Tony Patti CIO S. Walter Packaging Corp. -Original Message- From: Patrick W. Gilmore [mailto:patr...@ianai.net] Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 6:23 PM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: Friday Hosing On Jul 12, 2013, at 19:22 , Nick Khamis sym...@gmail.com wrote: Set up your own email server, host your own web pages, maintain your own cloud, breath your own oxygen FTW. That's simply not realistic for many companies and essentially all people (to a first approximation). -- TTFN, patrick
RE: What to expect after a cooling failure
This has been a very interesting thread. Google pointed me to this Dell document which specs some of their servers having an expanded operating temperature range *** based on the amount of time spent at the elevated temperature, as a percentage of annual operating hours. *** ftp://ftp.dell.com/Manuals/all-products/esuprt_ser_stor_net/esuprt_poweredge/poweredge-r710_User%27s%20Guide4_en-us.pdf I mention that because the 1% of annual operating hours at 45 C would be two degrees higher than the 43 C stated as reached in the original email. It would seem that Dell recognizes that there might be situations, such as this, where the continuous operation range (35 C) is briefly exceeded. Tony Patti CIO S. Walter Packaging Corp. -Original Message- From: Erik Levinson [mailto:erik.levin...@uberflip.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 11:28 PM To: NANOG mailing list Subject: What to expect after a cooling failure As some may know, yesterday 151 Front St suffered a cooling failure after Enwave's facilities were flooded. One of the suites that we're in recovered quickly but the other took much longer and some of our gear shutdown automatically due to overheating. We shut down remotely many redundant and non-essential systems in the hotter suite, and transferred remotely some others to the cooler suite, to ensure that we had a minimum of all core systems running in the hotter suite. We waited until the temperatures returned to normal, and brought everything back online. The entire event lasted from approx 18:45 until 01:15. Apparently ambient temperature was above 43 degrees Celcius at one point on the cool side of cabinets in the hotter suite. For those who have gone through such events in the past, what can one expect in terms of long-term impact...should we expect some premature component failures? Does anyone have any stats to share? Thanks -- Erik Levinson CTO, Uberflip 416-900-3830 1183 King Street West, Suite 100 Toronto ON M6K 3C5 www.uberflip.com
RE: Could not send email to office 365
After our upgrade, we started to see the body of received PLAIN TEXT emails truncated at less than 256 bytes, which frequently truncated emails in the middle of a word, the fix was a setting change. Since being standardized in 1982 with RFC 822, you would think PLAIN TEXT emails would just work out of the box. Tony -Original Message- From: Ryan Finnesey [mailto:r...@finnesey.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 11:42 AM To: JoeSox; nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Could not send email to office 365 I am also having the some issues going on 3 weeks now. I cannot access my e-mail via Outlook and my MX records keep changing. It is nuts support has been unable to help. From: JoeSox Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 9:24 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Could not send email to office 365 The company I work for has been having Outlook connectivity issues (intermittent for only a few end users) for the past 7 days for Office 365. We are in an upgrade status (on the 18th days or so; have been told it can last 30 days) and they changed our MX records without formal notification. We updated those on a Thursday or Friday and it worked until the following Monday where we observed it again, then magically fixed itself late afternoon that Monday. We had some more reports yesterday. The Microsoft technical support has not been helpful troubleshooting this for us. I am hoping it is related to our upgrade status but I cannot get an answer from anyone. -- Thanks, Joe On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 2:21 AM, ISHII, Yuji y...@ugec.net wrote: Hello folks, Have you ever seen DNS issues on Office 365? MX record of Office 365 is example.mail.eo.outlook.com. I can get the MX record, however, I could not get the A record of the MX record, got Timeout. Does anyone have the same issue? Sincerely, Yuji
Google opens Web Window on their Data Centers
http://www.google.com/about/datacenters/gallery/#/ Where the Internet lives - Take a look inside Google's high-tech data centers showed up as an article in the local _Philadelphia_Inquirer_ newspaper this morning. http://www.philly.com/philly/business/174685071.html Because of prior Data Center and Google discussions on NANOG, am hoping this is interesting to others. Tony Patti CIO S. Walter Packaging
RE: IPv4 address length technical design
Perhaps worth noting (for the archives) that a significant part of the early ARPAnet was DECsystem-10's with 36-bit words. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDP-10 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email Tony Patti CIO S. Walter Packaging Corp. -Original Message- From: George Herbert [mailto:george.herb...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 3:28 PM To: Tony Hain Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: IPv4 address length technical design On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Tony Hain alh-i...@tndh.net wrote: It's worthwhile noting that the state of system (mini and microcomputer) art at the time of the 1977 discussions was, for example, the Intel 8085 (8-bit registers; the 16-bit 8086 was 1978) and 16-bit PDP-11s. The 32-bit VAX 11/780 postdated these (announced October 77). Yes, you can do 32 or 64 bit network addressing with smaller registers, but there are tendencies to not think that way.
RE: Quad-A records in Network Solutions ?
No, not $50, NetSol charges me in the range of $9.75 to $9.99 per year per domain name. Not defending NetSol, just clarity for the purposes of the archives. Who knows, maybe I get those rates because I mention their competitor GoDaddy :-) Tony Patti CIO S. Walter Packaging Corp. -Original Message- From: Mike Gallagher [mailto:m...@txih.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 8:19 PM To: Joseph Snyder Cc: nanog@nanog.org; Arturo Servin Subject: Re: Quad-A records in Network Solutions ? Doesn't netsol charge something crazy like $50/year per for domain services? If that is still the case sounds like ipv6 support for 250k is a drop in the bucket :-). Not sure why any clueful DNS admin would still use netsol though. On Mar 28, 2012, at 5:55 PM, Joseph Snyder joseph.sny...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, but in a big company it generally would cost at least 10s of thousands of dollars just for training alone. The time away from the phones that would have to be covered would exceed that. Let's say you had 8000 phone staff and they were getting $10/be and training took an hour. That is 80k coverage expenses alone. For a large company I would expect a project budget of at least 250k minimal. And probably more if the company exceeds 50,000 employees. Arturo Servin arturo.ser...@gmail.com wrote: Another reason to not use them. Seriusly, if they cannot expend some thousands of dollars (because it shouldn't be more than that) in touching code, (hopefully) testing that code, deploying it, training customer support staff to answer questions, updating documentation, etc. I cannot take them as a serious provider for my names.. Regards, .as On 28 Mar 2012, at 21:16, John T. Yocum wrote: On 3/28/2012 12:13 PM, Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo wrote: I'm not convinced. What you mention is real, but the code they need is little more than a regular expression that can be found on Google and a 20-line script for testing lames. And a couple of weeks of testing, and I think I'm exaggerating. If they don't want to offer support for it, they can just put up some disclaimer. regards, Carlos On 3/28/12 3:55 PM, David Conrad wrote: On Mar 28, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo wrote: I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories, but, c'mon. For a provisioning system, an record is just a fragging string, just like any other DNS record. How difficult to support can it be ? Of course it is more than a string. It requires touching code, (hopefully) testing that code, deploying it, training customer support staff to answer questions, updating documentation, etc. Presumably Netsol did the cost/benefit analysis and decided the potential increase in revenue generated by the vast hordes of people demanding IPv6 (or the potential lost in revenue as the vast hordes transfer away) didn't justify the expense. Simple business decision. Regards, -drc That's assuming their system is sanely or logically designed. It could be a total disaster of code, which makes adding such a feature a major pain. --John
RE: Reliable Cloud host ?
-Original Message- From: david raistrick [mailto:dr...@icantclick.org] Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 7:19 PM To: Randy Carpenter Cc: Nanog Subject: Re: Reliable Cloud host ? On Sun, 26 Feb 2012, Randy Carpenter wrote: I don't need that kind of HA, and understand that it is not going to be available. 15 minutes of downtime is fine. 6 hours is completely unacceptable, and it false advertising to say you have a Cloud service, and then have the realization that you could have *indefinite* downtime. Um. You and I apparently work in different clouds. Since it is the weekend, I can't resist writing down a little equation: Marketing(cloud) Technology(cloud) For some values of cloud perhaps? p.s. tongue firmly in cheek - Tony
RE: common time-management mistake: rack stack
From: Gary Buhrmaster [mailto:gary.buhrmas...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 12:54 PM To: Jeff Wheeler Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: common time-management mistake: rack stack On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 23:29, Jeff Wheeler j...@inconcepts.biz wrote: ... Imagine if the CFO of a bank spent a big chunk of his time filling up ATMs. Flying a sharp router jockey around to far-flung POPs to install gear is just as foolish. There is a theory of management that says a good manager needs to know nothing about the staff or the jobs he is managing, because his job is about returning profit to the shareholder, and not about what the company does. AFAIK, these theories are made in the academic halls of the business schools, which churn out MBAs, and, self-selected group that they are, believe in (more) managers, and (more) powerpoint business plans, and (more) theory. I happen to come from a different background, and believe that it has value to understand what the people who are working for you actually do. That does not mean the CEO should spend all day delivering the mail (or flipping burgers), but she had better have done it a few times, and it is a good idea to do it from time to time to see what has changed. It keeps the manager grounded with the reality. (I have been told that the reason that the commanders in the Army are reluctant to send their people to battle is that they have experienced it, and know it is hell. And the reason the people will go to hell for their commander is that the commander has the moral authority of having done it, experienced it, know that they are asking a lot, but it is for the common good. People will follow a leader who has been there, done that, and not so much when it is just an academic business plan on a powerpoint slide.) +1 for Gary's comment. That is the large difference between LEADING and MANAGING. In the context of the military scenario above, Grace Hopper comes to mind because of her nanoseconds etc In her retirement speech, instead of dwelling on the past, she talked about moving toward the future, stressing the importance of leadership. http://inventors.about.com/od/hstartinventors/a/Grace_Hopper_2.htm I was lucky enough to have heard her speak once at an ACM event. Tony Patti CIO S. Walter Packaging Corp.
RE: common time-management mistake: rack stack
From: Mike Andrews [mailto:mi...@mikea.ath.cx] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 1:44 PM To: 'NANOG' Subject: Re: common time-management mistake: rack stack On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 01:15:09PM -0500, Tony Patti wrote: In the context of the military scenario above, Grace Hopper comes to mind because of her nanoseconds etc In her retirement speech, instead of dwelling on the past, she talked about moving toward the future, stressing the importance of leadership. http://inventors.about.com/od/hstartinventors/a/Grace_Hopper_2.htm I was lucky enough to have heard her speak once at an ACM event. I still have my nanosecond. Did she hand them out to the crowd there? Yes, of course! I remember that she said they were borrowed from a phone closet in the Pentagon... Of course, she is also famous for It's easier to ask for forgiveness than it is to get permission Notable Quotation from her Wikipedia page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Hopper Tony Patti CIO S. Walter Packaging Corp.
RE: Environmental monitoring options
Hi Eric, Also take a look at IT Watch Dogs at http://www.itwatchdogs.com/ Tony Patti CIO S. Walter Packaging Corp. t...@swalter.com phone: 215-676- fax: 215-698-7119 http://www.swalter.com -Original Message- From: eric clark [mailto:cabe...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:06 AM To: NANOG list Subject: Environmental monitoring options I'd like to ask the list what products people are using to monitor their environments. By this I'm referring to datacenters, and other equipment. Temperature, humidity, airflow, cameras, dry contacts, door sensors, leak detection, all that sort of thing. I've used Netbotz in the past. Looking to see what else is out there that people like. Thanks E
nytimes.com: How the Internet Got Its Rules
Hopefully these RFC's have (in sum total over the last 40 years) sufficient operational content to merit mention per the NANOG AUP. Tony Patti CIO S. Walter Packaging Corp. t...@swalter.com http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/07/opinion/07crocker.html?_r=1emc=eta1 How the Internet Got Its Rules By STEPHEN D. CROCKER Published: April 6, 2009 Bethesda, Md. TODAY is an important date in the history of the Internet: the 40th anniversary of what is known as the Request for Comments. Outside the technical community, not many people know about the R.F.C.'s, but these humble documents shape the Internet's inner workings and have played a significant role in its success. When the R.F.C.'s were born, there wasn't a World Wide Web. Even by the end of 1969, there was just a rudimentary network linking four computers at four research centers: the University of California, Los Angeles; the Stanford Research Institute; the University of California, Santa Barbara; and the University of Utah in Salt Lake City. The government financed the network and the hundred or fewer computer scientists who used it. It was such a small community that we all got to know one another. A great deal of deliberation and planning had gone into the network's underlying technology, but no one had given a lot of thought to what we would actually do with it. So, in August 1968, a handful of graduate students and staff members from the four sites began meeting intermittently, in person, to try to figure it out. (I was lucky enough to be one of the U.C.L.A. students included in these wide-ranging discussions.) It wasn't until the next spring that we realized we should start writing down our thoughts. We thought maybe we'd put together a few temporary, informal memos on network protocols, the rules by which computers exchange information. I offered to organize our early notes. What was supposed to be a simple chore turned out to be a nerve-racking project. Our intent was only to encourage others to chime in, but I worried we might sound as though we were making official decisions or asserting authority. In my mind, I was inciting the wrath of some prestigious professor at some phantom East Coast establishment. I was actually losing sleep over the whole thing, and when I finally tackled my first memo, which dealt with basic communication between two computers, it was in the wee hours of the morning. I had to work in a bathroom so as not to disturb the friends I was staying with, who were all asleep. Still fearful of sounding presumptuous, I labeled the note a Request for Comments. R.F.C. 1, written 40 years ago today, left many questions unanswered, and soon became obsolete. But the R.F.C.'s themselves took root and flourished. They became the formal method of publishing Internet protocol standards, and today there are more than 5,000, all readily available online. But we started writing these notes before we had e-mail, or even before the network was really working, so we wrote our visions for the future on paper and sent them around via the postal service. We'd mail each research group one printout and they'd have to photocopy more themselves. The early R.F.C.'s ranged from grand visions to mundane details, although the latter quickly became the most common. Less important than the content of those first documents was that they were available free of charge and anyone could write one. Instead of authority-based decision-making, we relied on a process we called rough consensus and running code. Everyone was welcome to propose ideas, and if enough people liked it and used it, the design became a standard. After all, everyone understood there was a practical value in choosing to do the same task in the same way. For example, if we wanted to move a file from one machine to another, and if you were to design the process one way, and I was to design it another, then anyone who wanted to talk to both of us would have to employ two distinct ways of doing the same thing. So there was plenty of natural pressure to avoid such hassles. It probably helped that in those days we avoided patents and other restrictions; without any financial incentive to control the protocols, it was much easier to reach agreement. This was the ultimate in openness in technical design and that culture of open processes was essential in enabling the Internet to grow and evolve as spectacularly as it has. In fact, we probably wouldn't have the Web without it. When CERN physicists wanted to publish a lot of information in a way that people could easily get to it and add to it, they simply built and tested their ideas. Because of the groundwork we'd laid in the R.F.C.'s, they did not have to ask permission, or make any changes to the core operations of the Internet. Others soon copied them - hundreds of thousands of computer users, then hundreds of millions, creating and sharing content and technology. That's the Web. Put another way, we always tried to design each new protocol
cnn.com - Vast Spy System Loots Computers in 103 Countries
I hope that today's cnn.com article cited below meets the criteria of sufficient Internet operational and technical issues pursuant to NANOG AUP criteria #1 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/technology/29spy.html?_r=2hp Tony Patti CIO S. Walter Packaging Corp. t...@swalter.com March 29, 2009 Vast Spy System Loots Computers in 103 Countries By JOHN MARKOFF TORONTO - A vast electronic spying operation has infiltrated computers and has stolen documents from hundreds of government and private offices around the world, including those of the Dalai Lama, Canadian researchers have concluded. In a report to be issued this weekend, the researchers said that the system was being controlled from computers based almost exclusively in China, but that they could not say conclusively that the Chinese government was involved. The researchers, who are based at the Munk Center for International Studies at the University of Toronto, had been asked by the office of the Dalai Lama, the exiled Tibetan leader whom China regularly denounces, to examine its computers for signs of malicious software, or malware. Their sleuthing opened a window into a broader operation that, in less than two years, has infiltrated at least 1,295 computers in 103 countries, including many belonging to embassies, foreign ministries and other government offices, as well as the Dalai Lama's Tibetan exile centers in India, Brussels, London and New York. The researchers, who have a record of detecting computer espionage, said they believed that in addition to the spying on the Dalai Lama, the system, which they called GhostNet, was focused on the governments of South Asian and Southeast Asian countries. Intelligence analysts say many governments, including those of China, Russia and the United States, and other parties use sophisticated computer programs to covertly gather information. The newly reported spying operation is by far the largest to come to light in terms of countries affected. This is also believed to be the first time researchers have been able to expose the workings of a computer system used in an intrusion of this magnitude. Still going strong, the operation continues to invade and monitor more than a dozen new computers a week, the researchers said in their report, Tracking 'GhostNet': Investigating a Cyber Espionage Network. They said they had found no evidence that United States government offices had been infiltrated, although a NATO computer was monitored by the spies for half a day and computers of the Indian Embassy in Washington were infiltrated. The malware is remarkable both for its sweep - in computer jargon, it has not been merely phishing for random consumers' information, but whaling for particular important targets - and for its Big Brother-style capacities. It can, for example, turn on the camera and audio-recording functions of an infected computer, enabling monitors to see and hear what goes on in a room. The investigators say they do not know if this facet has been employed. The researchers were able to monitor the commands given to infected computers and to see the names of documents retrieved by the spies, but in most cases the contents of the stolen files have not been determined. Working with the Tibetans, however, the researchers found that specific correspondence had been stolen and that the intruders had gained control of the electronic mail server computers of the Dalai Lama's organization. The electronic spy game has had at least some real-world impact, they said. For example, they said, after an e-mail invitation was sent by the Dalai Lama's office to a foreign diplomat, the Chinese government made a call to the diplomat discouraging a visit. And a woman working for a group making Internet contacts between Tibetan exiles and Chinese citizens was stopped by Chinese intelligence officers on her way back to Tibet, shown transcripts of her online conversations and warned to stop her political activities. The Toronto researchers said they had notified international law enforcement agencies of the spying operation, which in their view exposed basic shortcomings in the legal structure of cyberspace. The F.B.I. declined to comment on the operation. Although the Canadian researchers said that most of the computers behind the spying were in China, they cautioned against concluding that China's government was involved. The spying could be a nonstate, for-profit operation, for example, or one run by private citizens in China known as patriotic hackers. We're a bit more careful about it, knowing the nuance of what happens in the subterranean realms, said Ronald J. Deibert, a member of the research group and an associate professor of political science at Munk. This could well be the C.I.A. or the Russians. It's a murky realm that we're lifting the lid on. A spokesman for the Chinese Consulate in New York dismissed the idea that China was involved. These are old stories and they are nonsense
RE: Power/temperature monitoring
I agree with Chris -- we also have been using the ITWatchDogs products for years, and both the products and company have been wonderful to work with. Tony Patti CIO S. Walter Packaging Corp. -Original Message- From: Chris Boyd Sent: 5/30/2008 11:40 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Power/temperature monitoring We've got a couple of the (beta test) mini goose climate monitors installed. Takes up less space than the big APC boxes we've been using. http://www.itwatchdogs.com/ --Chris
Re: [NANOG] Charter Communications going to sniff traffic for advertising?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regulation could address this, a differentiated service could address this, but this smacks of paying for a service to then get additional ads sent to you. (like everytime you dialed a number into your Skype for Pizza Delivery, they sent you to their paid-Pizza Delivery provider instead). Maybe history does repeat itself. The paragraph above reminds me of the origin of the Strowger Switch: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strowger_switch According to legend, Almon Strowger was motivated to invent an automatic telephone exchange after having difficulties with the local telephone operators. He was said to be convinced that the local manual telephone exchange operators were sending calls to a competing undertaker business. Tony Patti CIO S. Walter Packaging Corp. ___ NANOG mailing list NANOG@nanog.org http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog
