Re: "Hacking" these days - purpose?

2020-12-17 Thread Bjørn Mork
For fun and/or profit. Like the purpose always has been. Note that the definition of fun will vary. But overcoming a challenge of some sort is almost universally considered "fun". Bjørn

Re: "Hacking" these days - purpose?

2020-12-16 Thread Mark Tinka
On 12/16/20 22:31, b...@theworld.com wrote: I'm not so sure. If someone got the banks, credit card (fintech), big online shopping, etc (tho not a lot of etc needed) on board, the "head count" for that wouldn't be very large, and others would join (particularly retail) just to not be left

Re: "Hacking" these days - purpose?

2020-12-16 Thread bzs
I'm not so sure. If someone got the banks, credit card (fintech), big online shopping, etc (tho not a lot of etc needed) on board, the "head count" for that wouldn't be very large, and others would join (particularly retail) just to not be left out... One can build a quite different network on

Re: "Hacking" these days - purpose?

2020-12-16 Thread Hal Murray
> Simple question: What's the purpose of obtaining illicit access to random > devices on the Internet these days ... Aside from stealing user's information, there is also stealing industrial and diplomatic secrets. The Chinese stole a lot of F-35 info. The news is full of Russians hacking

Re: "Hacking" these days - purpose?

2020-12-15 Thread Mark Tinka
On 12/16/20 02:38, b...@theworld.com wrote: Somedays I wonder if it's some vast, well-funded, Spectre-like organization whose backers just want to see trust in the internet undermined in the public's eyes on behalf of their own non-internet or anti-internet (think: phone companies who'd love

Re: "Hacking" these days - purpose?

2020-12-15 Thread Donald Eastlake
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 12:10 PM Miles Fidelman wrote: > David Bass wrote: > > It becomes more clear when you think about the options out there, and > > get a little creative. Now a days it’s definitely chess that’s being > > played. > And here I thought the purpose of hacking is (still) having

Re: "Hacking" these days - purpose?

2020-12-15 Thread bzs
Somedays I wonder if it's some vast, well-funded, Spectre-like organization whose backers just want to see trust in the internet undermined in the public's eyes on behalf of their own non-internet or anti-internet (think: phone companies who'd love to charge you per email and web page access for

Re: "Hacking" these days - purpose?

2020-12-14 Thread Miles Fidelman
Saku Ytti wrote: On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 19:12, Miles Fidelman wrote: As to chess... I've begun to think that the game to master is now Go... capturing territory, not pieces, and instantaneous global state changes. Now implies change, when, in your mind, this changed from Chess to Go? Not

Re: "Hacking" these days - purpose?

2020-12-14 Thread Mark Tinka
On 12/14/20 19:44, Laszlo Hanyecz wrote: This stuff is definitely the most visible type of scamming but this is not any different from swindling people at a flea market. It isn't so much hacking as just using internet to communicate with people and then tricking them.  I think this is a

Re: "Hacking" these days - purpose?

2020-12-14 Thread Sabri Berisha
- On Dec 12, 2020, at 2:26 PM, Peter E. Fry p...@tailbone.net wrote: Hi, > Simple question: What's the purpose of obtaining illicit access to > random devices on the Internet these days Don't underestimate the curiosity if pimply faced youth these days. Wargames is still relevant. Thanks,

Re: "Hacking" these days - purpose?

2020-12-14 Thread Laszlo Hanyecz
On 2020-12-14 16:48, Mark Tinka wrote: On 12/14/20 18:38, David Bass wrote: It becomes more clear when you think about the options out there, and get a little creative.  Now a days it’s definitely chess that’s being played. You're right, it really doesn't take much. Preying on humanity

Re: "Hacking" these days - purpose?

2020-12-14 Thread Saku Ytti
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 19:12, Miles Fidelman wrote: > As to chess... I've begun to think that the game to master is now Go... > capturing territory, not pieces, and instantaneous global state changes. Now implies change, when, in your mind, this changed from Chess to Go? -- ++ytti

Re: "Hacking" these days - purpose?

2020-12-14 Thread Mark Tinka
On 12/14/20 19:08, Miles Fidelman wrote: As to chess... I've begun to think that the game to master is now Go... capturing territory, not pieces, and instantaneous global state changes. #TheQueensGambit :-). Mark.

Re: "Hacking" these days - purpose?

2020-12-14 Thread Miles Fidelman
David Bass wrote: It becomes more clear when you think about the options out there, and get a little creative.  Now a days it’s definitely chess that’s being played. And here I thought the purpose of hacking is (still) having fun - you know... hacking. As to chess... I've begun to think that

Re: "Hacking" these days - purpose?

2020-12-14 Thread Mark Tinka
On 12/14/20 18:38, David Bass wrote: It becomes more clear when you think about the options out there, and get a little creative.  Now a days it’s definitely chess that’s being played. You're right, it really doesn't take much. Preying on humanity can yield great results. One that has

Re: "Hacking" these days - purpose?

2020-12-14 Thread David Bass
It becomes more clear when you think about the options out there, and get a little creative. Now a days it’s definitely chess that’s being played. This Solarwinds thing is going to be extremely interesting. On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 11:35 AM Mark Tinka wrote: > > > On 12/14/20 18:23, Ryland

Re: "Hacking" these days - purpose?

2020-12-14 Thread Mark Tinka
On 12/14/20 18:23, Ryland Kremeier wrote: I would have to disagree. Considering the amount of people who have bitcoin, and even less the amount of people who farm it, or have farmed it before it became so difficult. It seems much more likely that the wide-spread infiltrations of every-day

RE: "Hacking" these days - purpose?

2020-12-14 Thread Ryland Kremeier
og.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: "Hacking" these days - purpose? Bitcoin. There wasn't much purpose to 'hacking' for a long time. Even when talking about DDoS stuff, it's still just temporary vandalism, it's only an inconvenience, and it can be undone pretty qu

Re: "Hacking" these days - purpose?

2020-12-14 Thread Laszlo Hanyecz
Bitcoin. There wasn't much purpose to 'hacking' for a long time.  Even when talking about DDoS stuff, it's still just temporary vandalism, it's only an inconvenience, and it can be undone pretty quickly.  The whole idea of providing security has been turned into a wink-wink scam where people

Re: "Hacking" these days - purpose?

2020-12-14 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 09:58:01AM -0500, Tom Beecher wrote: > Questionable cloud / VPS / hosting companies are great for spammers and > botnet C, but not so great for DDoS "ion cannons". You still need a large > volume of geographically diverse endpoints for those to be effective. To piggyback

Re: "Hacking" these days - purpose?

2020-12-14 Thread James R Cutler
The probable "purpose of obtaining illicit access to random devices on the Internet these days” is to create botnets to attack more lucrative targets or to employ them as gateway devices to provide access to local networks which may contain targets of interest. James R. Cutler

RE: "Hacking" these days - purpose?

2020-12-14 Thread Ryland Kremeier
, or used otherwise depending on what they’re grabbing. -- Ryland From: Peter E.Fry<mailto:p...@tailbone.net> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 8:55 AM To: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org> Subject: "Hacking" these days - purpose? Simple question: What's the purpos

Re: "Hacking" these days - purpose?

2020-12-14 Thread Tom Beecher
Questionable cloud / VPS / hosting companies are great for spammers and botnet C, but not so great for DDoS "ion cannons". You still need a large volume of geographically diverse endpoints for those to be effective. On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 9:52 AM Peter E. Fry wrote: > > Simple question: What's

"Hacking" these days - purpose?

2020-12-14 Thread Peter E . Fry
Simple question: What's the purpose of obtaining illicit access to random devices on the Internet these days, considering that a large majority of attacks are now launched from cheap, readily available and poorly managed/overseen "cloud" services? Finding anything worthwhile to steal on