For fun and/or profit. Like the purpose always has been.
Note that the definition of fun will vary. But overcoming a challenge
of some sort is almost universally considered "fun".
Bjørn
On 12/16/20 22:31, b...@theworld.com wrote:
I'm not so sure. If someone got the banks, credit card (fintech), big
online shopping, etc (tho not a lot of etc needed) on board, the "head
count" for that wouldn't be very large, and others would join
(particularly retail) just to not be left
I'm not so sure. If someone got the banks, credit card (fintech), big
online shopping, etc (tho not a lot of etc needed) on board, the "head
count" for that wouldn't be very large, and others would join
(particularly retail) just to not be left out...
One can build a quite different network on
> Simple question: What's the purpose of obtaining illicit access to random
> devices on the Internet these days ...
Aside from stealing user's information, there is also stealing industrial and
diplomatic secrets.
The Chinese stole a lot of F-35 info.
The news is full of Russians hacking
On 12/16/20 02:38, b...@theworld.com wrote:
Somedays I wonder if it's some vast, well-funded, Spectre-like
organization whose backers just want to see trust in the internet
undermined in the public's eyes on behalf of their own non-internet or
anti-internet (think: phone companies who'd love
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 12:10 PM Miles Fidelman
wrote:
> David Bass wrote:
> > It becomes more clear when you think about the options out there, and
> > get a little creative. Now a days it’s definitely chess that’s being
> > played.
> And here I thought the purpose of hacking is (still) having
Somedays I wonder if it's some vast, well-funded, Spectre-like
organization whose backers just want to see trust in the internet
undermined in the public's eyes on behalf of their own non-internet or
anti-internet (think: phone companies who'd love to charge you per
email and web page access for
Saku Ytti wrote:
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 19:12, Miles Fidelman wrote:
As to chess... I've begun to think that the game to master is now Go...
capturing territory, not pieces, and instantaneous global state changes.
Now implies change, when, in your mind, this changed from Chess to Go?
Not
On 12/14/20 19:44, Laszlo Hanyecz wrote:
This stuff is definitely the most visible type of scamming but this is
not any different from swindling people at a flea market. It isn't so
much hacking as just using internet to communicate with people and
then tricking them. I think this is a
- On Dec 12, 2020, at 2:26 PM, Peter E. Fry p...@tailbone.net wrote:
Hi,
> Simple question: What's the purpose of obtaining illicit access to
> random devices on the Internet these days
Don't underestimate the curiosity if pimply faced youth these days.
Wargames is still relevant.
Thanks,
On 2020-12-14 16:48, Mark Tinka wrote:
On 12/14/20 18:38, David Bass wrote:
It becomes more clear when you think about the options out there, and
get a little creative. Now a days it’s definitely chess that’s being
played.
You're right, it really doesn't take much. Preying on humanity
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 19:12, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> As to chess... I've begun to think that the game to master is now Go...
> capturing territory, not pieces, and instantaneous global state changes.
Now implies change, when, in your mind, this changed from Chess to Go?
--
++ytti
On 12/14/20 19:08, Miles Fidelman wrote:
As to chess... I've begun to think that the game to master is now
Go... capturing territory, not pieces, and instantaneous global state
changes.
#TheQueensGambit :-).
Mark.
David Bass wrote:
It becomes more clear when you think about the options out there, and
get a little creative. Now a days it’s definitely chess that’s being
played.
And here I thought the purpose of hacking is (still) having fun - you
know... hacking.
As to chess... I've begun to think that
On 12/14/20 18:38, David Bass wrote:
It becomes more clear when you think about the options out there, and
get a little creative. Now a days it’s definitely chess that’s being
played.
You're right, it really doesn't take much. Preying on humanity can yield
great results.
One that has
It becomes more clear when you think about the options out there, and get a
little creative. Now a days it’s definitely chess that’s being played.
This Solarwinds thing is going to be extremely interesting.
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 11:35 AM Mark Tinka wrote:
>
>
> On 12/14/20 18:23, Ryland
On 12/14/20 18:23, Ryland Kremeier wrote:
I would have to disagree. Considering the amount of people who have
bitcoin, and even less the amount of people who farm it, or have
farmed it before it became so difficult. It seems much more likely
that the wide-spread infiltrations of every-day
og.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: "Hacking" these days - purpose?
Bitcoin.
There wasn't much purpose to 'hacking' for a long time. Even when
talking about DDoS stuff, it's still just temporary vandalism, it's only
an inconvenience, and it can be undone pretty qu
Bitcoin.
There wasn't much purpose to 'hacking' for a long time. Even when
talking about DDoS stuff, it's still just temporary vandalism, it's only
an inconvenience, and it can be undone pretty quickly. The whole idea
of providing security has been turned into a wink-wink scam where people
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 09:58:01AM -0500, Tom Beecher wrote:
> Questionable cloud / VPS / hosting companies are great for spammers and
> botnet C, but not so great for DDoS "ion cannons". You still need a large
> volume of geographically diverse endpoints for those to be effective.
To piggyback
The probable "purpose of obtaining illicit access to random devices on the
Internet these days” is to create botnets to attack more lucrative targets or
to employ them as gateway devices to provide access to local networks which may
contain targets of interest.
James R. Cutler
, or used
otherwise depending on what they’re grabbing.
-- Ryland
From: Peter E.Fry<mailto:p...@tailbone.net>
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 8:55 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: "Hacking" these days - purpose?
Simple question: What's the purpos
Questionable cloud / VPS / hosting companies are great for spammers and
botnet C, but not so great for DDoS "ion cannons". You still need a large
volume of geographically diverse endpoints for those to be effective.
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 9:52 AM Peter E. Fry wrote:
>
> Simple question: What's
Simple question: What's the purpose of obtaining illicit access to
random devices on the Internet these days, considering that a large
majority of attacks are now launched from cheap, readily available and
poorly managed/overseen "cloud" services? Finding anything worthwhile
to steal on
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