Re: [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group (fwd)

2010-03-02 Thread Leen Besselink
Not comparing this to the former-DDR or Chinese situation (please refer to my tin-foil remark above) a per-country specific prefix is not necessarily a bad thing and may even have an upside. Care to explain what that could possibly be? (I simply don't see an upside to making it easy to

Re: [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group (fwd)

2010-03-02 Thread Richard Barnes
Care to explain what that could possibly be? (I simply don't see an upside to making it easy to censor the internet by national identity). Maintenance of GeoIP-databases becomes easier and less error-prone ? Possible less out of date because of it. We've seen complaints about those many

Re: [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group (fwd)

2010-03-02 Thread Leen Besselink
On 03/02/2010 11:46 PM, Richard Barnes wrote: Care to explain what that could possibly be? (I simply don't see an upside to making it easy to censor the internet by national identity). Maintenance of GeoIP-databases becomes easier and less error-prone ? Possible less out of date

Re: [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group (fwd)

2010-03-02 Thread Sven Olaf Kamphuis
just to undermine the ITU's (only) point, why don't we simply have IANA delegate lets say 25% of the available ipv6 space to AFRINIC and APNIC now, like, -now- already... if they're so concerned about the developing countries surely, most of them would be in those regions :P and that should

Re: [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group (fwd)

2010-03-02 Thread Owen DeLong
On Mar 3, 2010, at 6:38 AM, Leen Besselink wrote: Not comparing this to the former-DDR or Chinese situation (please refer to my tin-foil remark above) a per-country specific prefix is not necessarily a bad thing and may even have an upside. Care to explain what that could possibly

Re: [Nanog-futures] [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group (fwd)

2010-03-01 Thread Shrdlu
It looks like there's some kind of loop going on where nanog seems to be getting multiple copies of anything also posted to: l...@uralttk.ru, na...@nanog.org, members-disc...@ripe.net My money's on all the crazy stuff I'm seeing in the headers about postboy.ripe.net and postgirl.ripe.net,

RE: [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group (fwd)

2010-03-01 Thread Arjan van der Oest
CB3ROB scribbled: let the riots commence 2.0 Oh dear oh dear... keep in mind, most telcos and ISPs (the founders and members of the current IANA - RIRS - LIRs model resulting in a global internet which is hard to censor) do not agree on this ITU proposal... I wonder who those ITU

Re: [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group (fwd)

2010-03-01 Thread Adam Waite
Hm, I was under the impression that ARPANET was a government run network... Not since 1992..what you're looking for these days is NIPRnet and SIPRnet, and ESnet, etc, etc, etc. ARPANET only lives on in reverse dns.

Re: [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group (fwd)

2010-03-01 Thread David Conrad
On Mar 1, 2010, at 7:42 AM, Arjan van der Oest wrote: keep in mind, most telcos and ISPs (the founders and members of the current IANA - RIRS - LIRs model resulting in a global internet which is hard to censor) do not agree on this ITU proposal... I wonder who those ITU members are then?

Re: [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group (fwd)

2010-03-01 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 3/1/2010 9:55 AM, Adam Waite wrote: Hm, I was under the impression that ARPANET was a government run network... Not since 1992..what you're looking for these days is NIPRnet and SIPRnet, and ESnet, etc, etc, etc. ARPANET only lives on in reverse dns. And that is only the

Re: [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group (fwd)

2010-03-01 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:42:15 +0100, Arjan van der Oest said: (considering the fact that governments themselves are not capable of running anything but a gray-cheese-with-a-dial telephone network Hm, I was under the impression that ARPANET was a government run network... I would not be

Re: [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group (fwd)

2010-03-01 Thread Ron Broersma
On Mar 1, 2010, at 9:25 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:42:15 +0100, Arjan van der Oest said: (considering the fact that governments themselves are not capable of running anything but a gray-cheese-with-a-dial telephone network Hm, I was under the impression

Re: [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group (fwd)

2010-03-01 Thread Owen DeLong
On Mar 1, 2010, at 11:42 PM, Arjan van der Oest wrote: CB3ROB scribbled: let the riots commence 2.0 Oh dear oh dear... keep in mind, most telcos and ISPs (the founders and members of the current IANA - RIRS - LIRs model resulting in a global internet which is hard to censor)

Re: [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group (fwd)

2010-03-01 Thread Owen DeLong
On Mar 1, 2010, at 11:55 PM, Adam Waite wrote: Hm, I was under the impression that ARPANET was a government run network... Not since 1992..what you're looking for these days is NIPRnet and SIPRnet, and ESnet, etc, etc, etc. ARPANET only lives on in reverse dns. Um,

Re: [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group (fwd)

2010-03-01 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 11:04:19 -0600 Larry Sheldon larryshel...@cox.net wrote: On 3/1/2010 9:55 AM, Adam Waite wrote: Hm, I was under the impression that ARPANET was a government run network... Not since 1992..what you're looking for these days is NIPRnet and SIPRnet, and

Re: [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group (fwd)

2010-03-01 Thread Antonio Querubin
On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, Owen DeLong wrote: On Mar 1, 2010, at 11:55 PM, Adam Waite wrote: Not since 1992..what you're looking for these days is NIPRnet and SIPRnet, and ESnet, etc, etc, etc. Um, actually, I would say that in all of those cases, including ARPANET when it existed, you are

Re: [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group (fwd)

2010-03-01 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 3/1/2010 12:53 PM, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 11:04:19 -0600 Larry Sheldon larryshel...@cox.net wrote: On 3/1/2010 9:55 AM, Adam Waite wrote: Hm, I was under the impression that ARPANET was a government run network... Not since 1992..what you're looking for

Re: [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group (fwd)

2010-03-01 Thread Kevin Oberman
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:55:43 +0100 From: Adam Waite awa...@tuenti.com Hm, I was under the impression that ARPANET was a government run network... Not since 1992..what you're looking for these days is NIPRnet and SIPRnet, and ESnet, etc, etc, etc. While ESnet is funded

Re: [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group (fwd)

2010-03-01 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 03/01/2010 09:04 AM, Larry Sheldon wrote: On 3/1/2010 9:55 AM, Adam Waite wrote: Hm, I was under the impression that ARPANET was a government run network... Not since 1992..what you're looking for these days is NIPRnet and SIPRnet, and ESnet, etc, etc, etc. ARPANET only