Re: [ncc-services-wg] RPKI Resource Certification: building features

2010-10-05 Thread Randy Bush
alex, i am not gonna argue with you. 96% of your users will be happy for you to do everything for them, despite the fact that the wrong holder has the keys (and, as john says, the liability). but 96% of your address space, i.e. the large holders, will want to hold their own keys and talk up/dow

Re: [ncc-services-wg] RPKI Resource Certification: building features

2010-10-05 Thread Alex Band
On 4 Oct 2010, at 23:18, Randy Bush wrote: 1) We have not implemented support for this yet. We plan to go live with the fully hosted version first and extend it with support for non-hosted systems around Q2/Q3 2011. this is a significant slip from the 1q11 we were told in prague. care to expl

Re: [ncc-services-wg] RPKI Resource Certification: building features

2010-10-04 Thread Randy Bush
> 1) We have not implemented support for this yet. We plan to go live > with the fully hosted version first and extend it with support for > non-hosted systems around Q2/Q3 2011. this is a significant slip from the 1q11 we were told in prague. care to explain. > Randy Bush who is cc-ed may be ab

Re: [ncc-services-wg] RPKI Resource Certification: building features

2010-10-04 Thread Owen DeLong
>> >> No... I'm saying that if ISPs aren't the only entities that hold their >> private keys, then they aren't the only entities that can sign their >> resources. > > The hosted system that we created uses Hardware Signing Modules (HSM) > for generating keys and signing operations. By design it i

Re: [ncc-services-wg] RPKI Resource Certification: building features

2010-10-04 Thread Owen DeLong
> >> I'll go a step further and say that the resource holder should be >> the ONLY holder of the private key for their resources. >> >> Owen > > If you're saying that ISPs can only participate in an RPKI scheme if they > run their own Certificate Authority, then I think that would practically >

Re: [ncc-services-wg] RPKI Resource Certification: building features

2010-10-04 Thread Alex Band
On Mon, October 4, 2010 04:38, Owen DeLong wrote: > > On Oct 3, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > >>> Do you think there is value in creating a system like this? >> >> yes. though, given issues of errors and deliberate falsifications, i am >> not entirely comfortable with the whois/bgp combo b

Re: [ncc-services-wg] RPKI Resource Certification: building features

2010-10-04 Thread mkarir
Hi Alex, We are trying to tackle a similar problem with the RADB. The approach we have taken is to build into the object management web portal an alerting system that provides alerts to a user when there is a mismatch between what is in the IRR and what is observed in BGP. Right next to

Re: [ncc-services-wg] RPKI Resource Certification: building features

2010-10-03 Thread Owen DeLong
On Oct 3, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >> Do you think there is value in creating a system like this? > > yes. though, given issues of errors and deliberate falsifications, i am > not entirely comfortable with the whois/bgp combo being considered > formally authoritative. but we have to

Re: [ncc-services-wg] RPKI Resource Certification: building features

2010-10-03 Thread Randy Bush
> Do you think there is value in creating a system like this? yes. though, given issues of errors and deliberate falsifications, i am not entirely comfortable with the whois/bgp combo being considered formally authoritative. but we have to do something. > Are there any glaring holes that I miss