Re: ARIN IPV4 Countdown

2015-07-15 Thread Owen DeLong
Wait… You’re trying to convince me that it’s easier to understand “You have this box in the way. It blocks many of the packets you want and some of the packets you don’t want. It also does weird things to the header in the process.” than it is to understand “You have this box. By default it

Re: ARIN IPV4 Countdown

2015-07-15 Thread Lee Howard
On 7/14/15, 11:16 PM, NANOG on behalf of Randy Bush nanog-boun...@nanog.org on behalf of ra...@psg.com wrote: While the base curve it runs on is running ahead of the measured traffic curve, the measure of IPv6 enabled browsers is a reasonable indicator for what is happening. we're an isp,

ARIN IPV4 Countdown

2015-07-14 Thread Scott, Robert D.
If you have been keeping an eye on the ARIN IPV4 countdown, they allocated their last /23 yesterday. There are only 400 /24s in the pool now. https://www.arin.net/resources/request/ipv4_countdown.html Robert D. Scottrob...@ufl.edu Network Engineer 3 352-273-0113 Phone UF

Re: ARIN IPV4 Countdown

2015-07-14 Thread Owen DeLong
I vote for a /24 lotto to get rid of the rest! (just kidding) Owen On Jul 14, 2015, at 04:37 , Scott, Robert D. rob...@ufl.edu wrote: If you have been keeping an eye on the ARIN IPV4 countdown, they allocated their last /23 yesterday. There are only 400 /24s in the pool now. https

RE: ARIN IPV4 Countdown

2015-07-14 Thread Tony Hain
IPV4 countdown, they allocated their last /23 yesterday. There are only 400 /24s in the pool now. https://www.arin.net/resources/request/ipv4_countdown.html Robert D. Scottrob...@ufl.edu Network Engineer 3 352-273-0113 Phone UF Information Technology 321-663-0421 Cell

Re: ARIN IPV4 Countdown

2015-07-14 Thread Matthew Kaufman
getting rid of the distraction might help with those still holding out hope. Tony Owen On Jul 14, 2015, at 04:37 , Scott, Robert D. rob...@ufl.edu wrote: If you have been keeping an eye on the ARIN IPV4 countdown, they allocated their last /23 yesterday. There are only 400 /24s

Re: ARIN IPV4 Countdown

2015-07-14 Thread Geoffrey Keating
Tony Hain alh-i...@tndh.net writes: Owen DeLong wrote: I vote for a /24 lotto to get rid of the rest! That would take too long to get organized. Just suspend fees and policy requirements and give one to each of the first 400 requestors. Overall it would reduce costs related to evaluating

Re: ARIN IPV4 Countdown

2015-07-14 Thread Nicholas Suan
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 9:33 PM, Curtis Maurand cmaur...@xyonet.com wrote: Since IPV6 does not have NAT, it's going to be difficult for the layman to understand their firewall. deployment of ipv4 is pretty simple. ipv6 on the otherhand is pretty difficult at the network level. yes, all the

Re: ARIN IPV4 Countdown

2015-07-14 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:33:39 -0400, Curtis Maurand said: Since IPV6 does not have NAT, it's going to be difficult for the layman to understand their firewall. Like the layman actually understand what a PS3 means by NAT Type 2 without consulting Google? pgpeqQ_4S0wzb.pgp Description: PGP

Re: ARIN IPV4 Countdown

2015-07-14 Thread Randy Bush
While the base curve it runs on is running ahead of the measured traffic curve, the measure of IPv6 enabled browsers is a reasonable indicator for what is happening. we're an isp, with ipv6 enabled since 1997. we measure real traffic, not wishes of what could be. randy

Re: ARIN IPV4 Countdown

2015-07-14 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 55a5b873.5010...@xyonet.com, Curtis Maurand writes: Since IPV6 does not have NAT, it's going to be difficult for the layman to understand their firewall. deployment of ipv4 is pretty simple. ipv6 on the otherhand is pretty difficult at the network level. yes, all the

Re: ARIN IPV4 Countdown

2015-07-14 Thread David Conrad
Since IPV6 does not have NAT, http://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos11.4/topics/concept/ipv6-nat-overview.html, but perhaps you meant something else. it's going to be difficult for the layman to understand their firewall. Not really. I suspect a stateful firewall for IPv6 will look

Re: ARIN IPV4 Countdown

2015-07-14 Thread Curtis Maurand
Since IPV6 does not have NAT, it's going to be difficult for the layman to understand their firewall. deployment of ipv4 is pretty simple. ipv6 on the otherhand is pretty difficult at the network level. yes, all the clients get everything automatically except for the router/firewall. -C

Re: Re: ARIN IPV4 Countdown

2015-07-14 Thread tqr2813d376cjozqap1l
15. Jul 2015 01:33 by cmaur...@xyonet.com: Since IPV6 does not have NAT, it's going to be difficult for the layman to understand their firewall. deployment of ipv4 is pretty simple. ipv6 on the otherhand is pretty difficult at the network level. yes, all the clients get everything

Re: ARIN IPV4 Countdown

2015-07-14 Thread Curtis Maurand
i think IPV6 adoption is going to be very slow. It's very difficult for the layman to understand and that contributes to the slow rate of uptake. --Curtis On 7/14/2015 7:05 PM, Randy Bush wrote: I am not ... It is long past time to move on, so getting rid of the distraction might help

RE: ARIN IPV4 Countdown

2015-07-14 Thread Tony Hain
Randy Bush wrote: I am not ... It is long past time to move on, so getting rid of the distraction might help with those still holding out hope. i think that is unfair to the ipv6 fanboys (and girls). ipv6 use is increasing slowly. i bet it hits 10% by the time we retire. Are you

Re: ARIN IPV4 Countdown

2015-07-14 Thread Randy Bush
I am not ... It is long past time to move on, so getting rid of the distraction might help with those still holding out hope. i think that is unfair to the ipv6 fanboys (and girls). ipv6 use is increasing slowly. i bet it hits 10% by the time we retire. randy

Re: ARIN IPV4 Countdown

2015-07-14 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On Jul 14, 2015, at 6:33 PM, Curtis Maurand cmaur...@xyonet.com wrote: Since IPV6 does not have NAT, it's going to be difficult for the layman to understand their firewall. deployment of ipv4 is pretty simple. ipv6 on the otherhand is pretty difficult at the network level. yes, all the

Re: ARIN IPV4 Countdown

2015-07-14 Thread James Downs
On Jul 14, 2015, at 16:09, Curtis Maurand cmaur...@xyonet.com wrote: i think IPV6 adoption is going to be very slow. It's very difficult for the layman to understand and that contributes to the slow rate of uptake. Who is the layman in this story? Almost every system I work with at home

Re: ARIN IPV4 Countdown

2015-07-14 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 18:51:25 -0700, Lyndon Nerenberg said: Are we *still* doing this argument?!? block all pass out on $extif keep state Is it that fucking difficult for people to figure out? Really? But.. But... How does that work without using UPNP? :) pgpRo85NVvJFi.pgp

Re: ARIN IPV4 Countdown

2015-07-14 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On Jul 14, 2015, at 7:26 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: But.. But... How does that work without using UPNP? :) SHOUT LOUDER! signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail