Re: ARIN and IPv6 Requests
(Yeah, high reply latency...) Is Carrier V still filtering at sub-/32 on their IPv6 peerings? Last I was in a position to check, not even Apple's /45 was visible from inside AS701. -C On Feb 10, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Eric Clark wrote: Don't remember about the v4 part, but 3 years ago they issued me a /48, specifically for my first site and indicated that a block was reserved for additional sites. I can probably dig that up. Sent from my iPad On Feb 10, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Jason Iannone jason.iann...@gmail.com wrote: It also looks like there isn't a policy for orgs with multiple multihomed sites to get a /48 per site. Is there an exception policy somewhere? On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 12:50 PM, adw...@dstsystems.com wrote: Initial. Documenting IPv4 usage is in the request template. -- Adam Webb From: Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com To: nanog@nanog.org Date: 02/10/2011 01:45 PM Subject: re: ARIN and IPv6 Requests We requested our initial allocation without any such questions. Is this your initial or additional? Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: adw...@dstsystems.com Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 2:38 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: ARIN and IPv6 Requests Why does ARIN require detailed usage of IPv4 space when requesting IPv6 space? Seems completely irrelevant to me. -- Adam Webb EN ES Team desk: 816.737.9717 cell: 916.949.1345 --- The biggest secret of innovation is that anyone can do it. --- - Please consider the environment before printing this email and any attachments. This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for the individual or company to which it is addressed and may contain information which is privileged, confidential and prohibited from disclosure or unauthorized use under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or copying of this e-mail or the information contained in this e-mail is strictly prohibited by the sender. If you have received this transmission in error, please return the material received to the sender and delete all copies from your system.
Re: ARIN and IPv6 Requests
On 2/23/11 10:10 PM, Chris Woodfield wrote: (Yeah, high reply latency...) Is Carrier V still filtering at sub-/32 on their IPv6 peerings? Last I was in a position to check, not even Apple's /45 was visible from inside AS701. evidence says that they are now accepting longer prefixes. -C On Feb 10, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Eric Clark wrote: Don't remember about the v4 part, but 3 years ago they issued me a /48, specifically for my first site and indicated that a block was reserved for additional sites. I can probably dig that up. Sent from my iPad On Feb 10, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Jason Iannone jason.iann...@gmail.com wrote: It also looks like there isn't a policy for orgs with multiple multihomed sites to get a /48 per site. Is there an exception policy somewhere? On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 12:50 PM, adw...@dstsystems.com wrote: Initial. Documenting IPv4 usage is in the request template. -- Adam Webb From: Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com To: nanog@nanog.org Date: 02/10/2011 01:45 PM Subject: re: ARIN and IPv6 Requests We requested our initial allocation without any such questions. Is this your initial or additional? Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: adw...@dstsystems.com Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 2:38 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: ARIN and IPv6 Requests Why does ARIN require detailed usage of IPv4 space when requesting IPv6 space? Seems completely irrelevant to me. -- Adam Webb EN ES Team desk: 816.737.9717 cell: 916.949.1345 --- The biggest secret of innovation is that anyone can do it. --- - Please consider the environment before printing this email and any attachments. This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for the individual or company to which it is addressed and may contain information which is privileged, confidential and prohibited from disclosure or unauthorized use under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or copying of this e-mail or the information contained in this e-mail is strictly prohibited by the sender. If you have received this transmission in error, please return the material received to the sender and delete all copies from your system.
Re: ARIN and IPv6 Requests
I discussed this with Randy Whitney a few months ago. He informed me that they had been taking down to /48s for some time now. Owen On Feb 23, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: On 2/23/11 10:10 PM, Chris Woodfield wrote: (Yeah, high reply latency...) Is Carrier V still filtering at sub-/32 on their IPv6 peerings? Last I was in a position to check, not even Apple's /45 was visible from inside AS701. evidence says that they are now accepting longer prefixes. -C On Feb 10, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Eric Clark wrote: Don't remember about the v4 part, but 3 years ago they issued me a /48, specifically for my first site and indicated that a block was reserved for additional sites. I can probably dig that up. Sent from my iPad On Feb 10, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Jason Iannone jason.iann...@gmail.com wrote: It also looks like there isn't a policy for orgs with multiple multihomed sites to get a /48 per site. Is there an exception policy somewhere? On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 12:50 PM, adw...@dstsystems.com wrote: Initial. Documenting IPv4 usage is in the request template. -- Adam Webb From: Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com To: nanog@nanog.org Date: 02/10/2011 01:45 PM Subject: re: ARIN and IPv6 Requests We requested our initial allocation without any such questions. Is this your initial or additional? Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: adw...@dstsystems.com Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 2:38 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: ARIN and IPv6 Requests Why does ARIN require detailed usage of IPv4 space when requesting IPv6 space? Seems completely irrelevant to me. -- Adam Webb EN ES Team desk: 816.737.9717 cell: 916.949.1345 --- The biggest secret of innovation is that anyone can do it. --- - Please consider the environment before printing this email and any attachments. This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for the individual or company to which it is addressed and may contain information which is privileged, confidential and prohibited from disclosure or unauthorized use under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or copying of this e-mail or the information contained in this e-mail is strictly prohibited by the sender. If you have received this transmission in error, please return the material received to the sender and delete all copies from your system.
ARIN and IPv6 Requests
Why does ARIN require detailed usage of IPv4 space when requesting IPv6 space? Seems completely irrelevant to me. -- Adam Webb EN ES Team desk: 816.737.9717 cell: 916.949.1345 --- The biggest secret of innovation is that anyone can do it. --- - Please consider the environment before printing this email and any attachments. This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for the individual or company to which it is addressed and may contain information which is privileged, confidential and prohibited from disclosure or unauthorized use under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or copying of this e-mail or the information contained in this e-mail is strictly prohibited by the sender. If you have received this transmission in error, please return the material received to the sender and delete all copies from your system.
re: ARIN and IPv6 Requests
We requested our initial allocation without any such questions. Is this your initial or additional? Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: adw...@dstsystems.com Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 2:38 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: ARIN and IPv6 Requests Why does ARIN require detailed usage of IPv4 space when requesting IPv6 space? Seems completely irrelevant to me. -- Adam Webb EN ES Team desk: 816.737.9717 cell: 916.949.1345 --- The biggest secret of innovation is that anyone can do it. --- - Please consider the environment before printing this email and any attachments. This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for the individual or company to which it is addressed and may contain information which is privileged, confidential and prohibited from disclosure or unauthorized use under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or copying of this e-mail or the information contained in this e-mail is strictly prohibited by the sender. If you have received this transmission in error, please return the material received to the sender and delete all copies from your system.
re: ARIN and IPv6 Requests
Initial. Documenting IPv4 usage is in the request template. -- Adam Webb From: Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com To: nanog@nanog.org Date: 02/10/2011 01:45 PM Subject: re: ARIN and IPv6 Requests We requested our initial allocation without any such questions. Is this your initial or additional? Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: adw...@dstsystems.com Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 2:38 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: ARIN and IPv6 Requests Why does ARIN require detailed usage of IPv4 space when requesting IPv6 space? Seems completely irrelevant to me. -- Adam Webb EN ES Team desk: 816.737.9717 cell: 916.949.1345 --- The biggest secret of innovation is that anyone can do it. --- - Please consider the environment before printing this email and any attachments. This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for the individual or company to which it is addressed and may contain information which is privileged, confidential and prohibited from disclosure or unauthorized use under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or copying of this e-mail or the information contained in this e-mail is strictly prohibited by the sender. If you have received this transmission in error, please return the material received to the sender and delete all copies from your system.
Re: ARIN and IPv6 Requests
It also looks like there isn't a policy for orgs with multiple multihomed sites to get a /48 per site. Is there an exception policy somewhere? On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 12:50 PM, adw...@dstsystems.com wrote: Initial. Documenting IPv4 usage is in the request template. -- Adam Webb From: Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com To: nanog@nanog.org Date: 02/10/2011 01:45 PM Subject: re: ARIN and IPv6 Requests We requested our initial allocation without any such questions. Is this your initial or additional? Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: adw...@dstsystems.com Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 2:38 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: ARIN and IPv6 Requests Why does ARIN require detailed usage of IPv4 space when requesting IPv6 space? Seems completely irrelevant to me. -- Adam Webb EN ES Team desk: 816.737.9717 cell: 916.949.1345 --- The biggest secret of innovation is that anyone can do it. --- - Please consider the environment before printing this email and any attachments. This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for the individual or company to which it is addressed and may contain information which is privileged, confidential and prohibited from disclosure or unauthorized use under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or copying of this e-mail or the information contained in this e-mail is strictly prohibited by the sender. If you have received this transmission in error, please return the material received to the sender and delete all copies from your system.
Re: ARIN and IPv6 Requests
Don't remember about the v4 part, but 3 years ago they issued me a /48, specifically for my first site and indicated that a block was reserved for additional sites. I can probably dig that up. Sent from my iPad On Feb 10, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Jason Iannone jason.iann...@gmail.com wrote: It also looks like there isn't a policy for orgs with multiple multihomed sites to get a /48 per site. Is there an exception policy somewhere? On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 12:50 PM, adw...@dstsystems.com wrote: Initial. Documenting IPv4 usage is in the request template. -- Adam Webb From: Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com To: nanog@nanog.org Date: 02/10/2011 01:45 PM Subject: re: ARIN and IPv6 Requests We requested our initial allocation without any such questions. Is this your initial or additional? Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: adw...@dstsystems.com Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 2:38 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: ARIN and IPv6 Requests Why does ARIN require detailed usage of IPv4 space when requesting IPv6 space? Seems completely irrelevant to me. -- Adam Webb EN ES Team desk: 816.737.9717 cell: 916.949.1345 --- The biggest secret of innovation is that anyone can do it. --- - Please consider the environment before printing this email and any attachments. This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for the individual or company to which it is addressed and may contain information which is privileged, confidential and prohibited from disclosure or unauthorized use under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or copying of this e-mail or the information contained in this e-mail is strictly prohibited by the sender. If you have received this transmission in error, please return the material received to the sender and delete all copies from your system.
Re: ARIN and IPv6 Requests
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 2:38 PM, adw...@dstsystems.com wrote: Why does ARIN require detailed usage of IPv4 space when requesting IPv6 space? Seems completely irrelevant to me. Hi Adam, I think it's a basic who are you and why are you speaking to us? question. If ARIN already knows you from previous registration activity (question 11) then you skip questions 13 and 14 (list IPv4 usage). Kind of like: why does a cop ask for your vehicle registration? He's already plugged your license plate into his computer, so he knows everything that's on the card. It's a spot check, an opportunity to see that something is amiss, requiring a closer look. Regards, Bill Herrin -- William D. Herrin her...@dirtside.com b...@herrin.us 3005 Crane Dr. .. Web: http://bill.herrin.us/ Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
Re: ARIN and IPv6 Requests
Some policies allow you to use your IPv4 usage as justification of your need for IPv6. If you are applying under one of those policies, you need to fill in that information. If you are applying under a different qualification criteria, I believe you can leave that section blank. Owen On Feb 10, 2011, at 11:50 AM, adw...@dstsystems.com wrote: Initial. Documenting IPv4 usage is in the request template. -- Adam Webb From: Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com To: nanog@nanog.org Date: 02/10/2011 01:45 PM Subject: re: ARIN and IPv6 Requests We requested our initial allocation without any such questions. Is this your initial or additional? Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: adw...@dstsystems.com Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 2:38 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: ARIN and IPv6 Requests Why does ARIN require detailed usage of IPv4 space when requesting IPv6 space? Seems completely irrelevant to me. -- Adam Webb EN ES Team desk: 816.737.9717 cell: 916.949.1345 --- The biggest secret of innovation is that anyone can do it. --- - Please consider the environment before printing this email and any attachments. This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for the individual or company to which it is addressed and may contain information which is privileged, confidential and prohibited from disclosure or unauthorized use under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or copying of this e-mail or the information contained in this e-mail is strictly prohibited by the sender. If you have received this transmission in error, please return the material received to the sender and delete all copies from your system.
Re: ARIN and IPv6 Requests
From the NRPM: 6.11. IPv6 Multiple Discrete Networks Organizations with multiple discrete IPv6 networks desiring to request new or additional address space under a single Organization ID must meet the following criteria: The organization shall be a single entity and not a consortium of smaller independent entities. The organization must have compelling criteria for creating discrete networks. Examples of a discrete network might include: Regulatory restrictions for data transmission, Geographic distance and diversity between networks, Autonomous multihomed discrete networks. The organization must keep detailed records on how it has allocated space to each location, including the date of each allocation. The organization should notify ARIN at the time of the request their desire to apply this policy to their account. Requests for additional space: Organization must specify on the application which discreet network(s) the request applies to Each network will be judged against the existing utilization criteria specified in 6.5.2 as if it were a separate organization, rather than collectively as would be done for requests outside of this policy If that doesn't meet your need, please contact me off list with more information. Owen On Feb 10, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Jason Iannone wrote: It also looks like there isn't a policy for orgs with multiple multihomed sites to get a /48 per site. Is there an exception policy somewhere? On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 12:50 PM, adw...@dstsystems.com wrote: Initial. Documenting IPv4 usage is in the request template. -- Adam Webb From: Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com To: nanog@nanog.org Date: 02/10/2011 01:45 PM Subject: re: ARIN and IPv6 Requests We requested our initial allocation without any such questions. Is this your initial or additional? Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: adw...@dstsystems.com Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 2:38 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: ARIN and IPv6 Requests Why does ARIN require detailed usage of IPv4 space when requesting IPv6 space? Seems completely irrelevant to me. -- Adam Webb EN ES Team desk: 816.737.9717 cell: 916.949.1345 --- The biggest secret of innovation is that anyone can do it. --- - Please consider the environment before printing this email and any attachments. This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for the individual or company to which it is addressed and may contain information which is privileged, confidential and prohibited from disclosure or unauthorized use under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or copying of this e-mail or the information contained in this e-mail is strictly prohibited by the sender. If you have received this transmission in error, please return the material received to the sender and delete all copies from your system.
Re: ARIN and IPv6 Requests
But how is it relevant? Ever? It's like a bank asking you to justify your need for a loan by asking you how many apples you can pick in an hour. -- Adam Webb From: Owen DeLong o...@delong.com To: adw...@dstsystems.com Cc: nanog@nanog.org Date: 02/10/2011 04:10 PM Subject: Re: ARIN and IPv6 Requests Some policies allow you to use your IPv4 usage as justification of your need for IPv6. If you are applying under one of those policies, you need to fill in that information. If you are applying under a different qualification criteria, I believe you can leave that section blank. Owen On Feb 10, 2011, at 11:50 AM, adw...@dstsystems.com wrote: Initial. Documenting IPv4 usage is in the request template. -- Adam Webb From: Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com To: nanog@nanog.org Date: 02/10/2011 01:45 PM Subject: re: ARIN and IPv6 Requests We requested our initial allocation without any such questions. Is this your initial or additional? Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: adw...@dstsystems.com Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 2:38 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: ARIN and IPv6 Requests Why does ARIN require detailed usage of IPv4 space when requesting IPv6 space? Seems completely irrelevant to me. -- Adam Webb EN ES Team desk: 816.737.9717 cell: 916.949.1345 --- The biggest secret of innovation is that anyone can do it. --- - Please consider the environment before printing this email and any attachments. This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for the individual or company to which it is addressed and may contain information which is privileged, confidential and prohibited from disclosure or unauthorized use under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or copying of this e-mail or the information contained in this e-mail is strictly prohibited by the sender. If you have received this transmission in error, please return the material received to the sender and delete all copies from your system.
RE: ARIN and IPv6 Requests
Hello Adam: You may want to post this on the ARIN PPML list since the policy folks are all there. They will be able to point your directly to the portion of the NPRM that applies. In addition, this would be the appropriate list to submit policy changes if you don't like the way things are being done now. Regards, Mike -- Michael K. Smith - CISSP, GSEC, GISP Chief Technical Officer - Adhost Internet LLC mksm...@adhost.com w: +1 (206) 404-9500 f: +1 (206) 404-9050 PGP: B49A DDF5 8611 27F3 08B9 84BB E61E 38C0 (Key ID: 0x9A96777D) -Original Message- From: adw...@dstsystems.com [mailto:adw...@dstsystems.com] Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 2:23 PM To: Owen DeLong Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: ARIN and IPv6 Requests But how is it relevant? Ever? It's like a bank asking you to justify your need for a loan by asking you how many apples you can pick in an hour. -- Adam Webb From: Owen DeLong o...@delong.com To: adw...@dstsystems.com Cc: nanog@nanog.org Date: 02/10/2011 04:10 PM Subject: Re: ARIN and IPv6 Requests Some policies allow you to use your IPv4 usage as justification of your need for IPv6. If you are applying under one of those policies, you need to fill in that information. If you are applying under a different qualification criteria, I believe you can leave that section blank. Owen On Feb 10, 2011, at 11:50 AM, adw...@dstsystems.com wrote: Initial. Documenting IPv4 usage is in the request template. -- Adam Webb From: Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com To: nanog@nanog.org Date: 02/10/2011 01:45 PM Subject: re: ARIN and IPv6 Requests We requested our initial allocation without any such questions. Is this your initial or additional? Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: adw...@dstsystems.com Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 2:38 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: ARIN and IPv6 Requests Why does ARIN require detailed usage of IPv4 space when requesting IPv6 space? Seems completely irrelevant to me. -- Adam Webb EN ES Team desk: 816.737.9717 cell: 916.949.1345 --- The biggest secret of innovation is that anyone can do it. --- - Please consider the environment before printing this email and any attachments. This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for the individual or company to which it is addressed and may contain information which is privileged, confidential and prohibited from disclosure or unauthorized use under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or copying of this e-mail or the information contained in this e-mail is strictly prohibited by the sender. If you have received this transmission in error, please return the material received to the sender and delete all copies from your system.
Re: ARIN and IPv6 Requests
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 5:23 PM, adw...@dstsystems.com wrote: But how is it relevant? Ever? It's like a bank asking you to justify your need for a loan by asking you how many apples you can pick in an hour. You're asking for a loan to plant an orchard. Oranges this time, but you've only ever grown apples. Regards, Bill Herrin -- William D. Herrin her...@dirtside.com b...@herrin.us 3005 Crane Dr. .. Web: http://bill.herrin.us/ Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
Re: ARIN and IPv6 Requests
Here's the template we just completed last week, and we received our /32 minimum allocation within a couple of days. No justification for initial allocation, only subsequent v6 allocations. https://www.arin.net/resources/templates/v6-isp.txt https://www.arin.net/resources/templates/v6-isp.txtTom Pipes T6 Broadband On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 1:38 PM, adw...@dstsystems.com wrote: Why does ARIN require detailed usage of IPv4 space when requesting IPv6 space? Seems completely irrelevant to me. -- Adam Webb EN ES Team desk: 816.737.9717 cell: 916.949.1345 --- The biggest secret of innovation is that anyone can do it. --- - Please consider the environment before printing this email and any attachments. This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for the individual or company to which it is addressed and may contain information which is privileged, confidential and prohibited from disclosure or unauthorized use under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or copying of this e-mail or the information contained in this e-mail is strictly prohibited by the sender. If you have received this transmission in error, please return the material received to the sender and delete all copies from your system. -- Tom Pipes T6 Broadband Office: 815-380-3773 Direct: 815-544-1882 Fax: 815-380-6513
