Re: AW: Cogent - Google - HE Fun

2016-03-11 Thread Randy Bush
> Anyone who is multihomed with cogent ipv6 in their mix should shutdown > their IPv6 bgp session. Let’s see if we can make their graph freefall. Ettore Bugatti, maker of the finest cars of his day, was once asked why his cars had less than perfect brakes. He replied something like, "Any fool

Re: AW: Cogent - Google - HE Fun

2016-03-11 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Fri, 11 Mar 2016, Dave Bell wrote: I don't get this. Google are basically a hosting provider. If I set up my own website, I would expect to have to pay transit for it. If I ran a hosting business I would expect to pay transit. Why are google different? If you had presence all across the

Re: AW: Cogent - Google - HE Fun

2016-03-11 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 7:40 AM, Jon Lewis wrote: > On Thu, 10 Mar 2016, William Herrin wrote: >> It's Cogent's fault because: double-billing. Google should not have to >> pay Cogent for a service which you have already paid Cogent to provide >> to you. Cogent's demand is

Re: AW: Cogent - Google - HE Fun

2016-03-11 Thread Dave Bell
On 10 March 2016 at 15:55, William Herrin wrote: > It's Cogent's fault because: double-billing. Google should not have to > pay Cogent for a service which you have already paid Cogent to provide > to you. Cogent's demand is unethical. They intentionally fail to > deliver on the

Re: AW: Cogent - Google - HE Fun

2016-03-11 Thread Jon Lewis
On Thu, 10 Mar 2016, William Herrin wrote: It's Cogent's fault because: double-billing. Google should not have to pay Cogent for a service which you have already paid Cogent to provide to you. Cogent's demand is unethical. They intentionally fail to deliver on the basic service expectation you

Re: AW: Cogent - Google - HE Fun

2016-03-10 Thread Mark Tinka
On 10/Mar/16 17:25, Jon Lewis wrote: > My guess is that GOOG is playing peering chicken with Cogent on "the > IPv6 Internet" because doing so is low impact. Doing this with v4 > routing would be far more painful to both GOOG and single-homed Cogent > customers (probably make the news and make

Re: AW: Cogent - Google - HE Fun

2016-03-10 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Anyone that complains about double billing doesn't apparently know how the > Internet works and should relegate themselves to writing articles for > GigaOm. > Mike, I picture you saying that with a Godfather voice and

Re: AW: Cogent - Google - HE Fun

2016-03-10 Thread Fredy Kuenzler
Am 10.03.2016 um 22:25 schrieb Damien Burke : > Anyone who is multihomed with cogent ipv6 in their mix should shutdown their > IPv6 bgp session. Let’s see if we can make their graph freefall. Alternative: set community [do not announce to Cogent] *SCNR*

RE: AW: Cogent - Google - HE Fun

2016-03-10 Thread Damien Burke
] On Behalf Of William Herrin Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:56 AM To: Dennis Burgess Cc: North American Network Operators' Group Subject: Re: AW: Cogent - Google - HE Fun On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Dennis Burgess <dmburg...@linktechs.net<mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net&g

Re: AW: Cogent - Google - HE Fun

2016-03-10 Thread Mike Hammett
-ix.com - Original Message - From: "William Herrin" <b...@herrin.us> To: "Dennis Burgess" <dmburg...@linktechs.net> Cc: "North American Network Operators' Group" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:55:30 AM Subject: Re: AW:

Re: AW: Cogent - Google - HE Fun

2016-03-10 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: > Not wishing to get into a pissing war with who is right or wrong, but it > sounds like > google already pays or has an agreement with cogent for v4, as that's > unaffected, > cogent says google is simply not

Re: AW: Cogent - Google - HE Fun

2016-03-10 Thread Christopher Morrow
aritsch <jjarit...@anexia-it.com> > Cc: Dennis Burgess <dmburg...@linktechs.net>; North American Network > Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org> > Subject: Re: AW: Cogent - Google - HE Fun > > In other words, GOOG is playing peering chicken with Cogent for IPv6. I'm

RE: AW: Cogent - Google - HE Fun

2016-03-10 Thread Jon Lewis
North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: AW: Cogent - Google - HE Fun In other words, GOOG is playing peering chicken with Cogent for IPv6. I'm not surprised. I suggested it during talks with GOOG roughly 10 years ago...not saying I had any influence...I'm pre

RE: AW: Cogent - Google - HE Fun

2016-03-10 Thread Dennis Burgess
- From: Jon Lewis [mailto:jle...@lewis.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 11:26 AM To: Jürgen Jaritsch <jjarit...@anexia-it.com> Cc: Dennis Burgess <dmburg...@linktechs.net>; North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: AW: Cogent - Google - HE Fun In

Re: AW: Cogent - Google - HE Fun

2016-03-09 Thread Jon Lewis
In other words, GOOG is playing peering chicken with Cogent for IPv6. I'm not surprised. I suggested it during talks with GOOG roughly 10 years ago...not saying I had any influence...I'm pretty sure I did not. :) GOOG wants Cogent to peer. Cogent wants GOOG to pay for transit (from them or

AW: Cogent - Google - HE Fun

2016-03-09 Thread Jürgen Jaritsch
Hi, mail from Cogent: Dear Cogent Customer, Thank you for contacting Cogent Customer Support for information about the Google IPv6 addresses you are unable to reach. Google uses transit providers to announce their IPv4 routes to Cogent. At this time however, Google has chosen not to