RE: Another LTE network turns up as IPv4-only squat space + NAT

2012-08-22 Thread Chu, Yi [NTK]
It is not about security. It is about finding enough bits to service 7 digits number of subs. yi -Original Message- From: Dobbins, Roland [mailto:rdobb...@arbor.net] Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 12:19 AM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: Another LTE network turns up as IPv4-only squat space

RE: Another LTE network turns up as IPv4-only squat space + NAT

2012-08-22 Thread Justin M. Streiner
list Subject: Re: Another LTE network turns up as IPv4-only squat space + NAT On Jul 19, 2012, at 3:50 PM, Måns Nilsson wrote: No, reusing somebody's prefix is A Very Bad Idea. Concur 100%. There is no security value to doing this whatsoever - quite the opposite, given the possible negative

Re: Another LTE network turns up as IPv4-only squat space + NAT

2012-07-25 Thread joel jaeggli
On 7/18/12 6:24 PM, Andrey Khomyakov wrote: So some comments on the intertubes claim that DoD ok'd use of it's unadvertized space on private networks. Is there any official reference that may support this statement that anyone of you have seen out there? The arpanet prefix(10/8) was returned to

Re: Another LTE network turns up as IPv4-only squat space + NAT

2012-07-25 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Jul 19, 2012, at 3:50 PM, Måns Nilsson wrote: No, reusing somebody's prefix is A Very Bad Idea. Concur 100%. There is no security value to doing this whatsoever - quite the opposite, given the possible negative consequences to reachability and, thus, availability.

Re: Another LTE network turns up as IPv4-only squat space + NAT

2012-07-19 Thread Måns Nilsson
Subject: RE: Another LTE network turns up as IPv4-only squat space + NAT Date: Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 10:36:31PM -0400 Quoting Chuck Church (chuckchu...@gmail.com): I disagree. I see it as an extra layer of security. If DOD had a network with address space 'X', obviously it's not advertised

Re: Another LTE network turns up as IPv4-only squat space + NAT

2012-07-19 Thread bmanning
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 10:36:31PM -0400, Chuck Church wrote: I disagree. I see it as an extra layer of security. If DOD had a network with address space 'X', obviously it's not advertised to the outside. It never interacts with public network. Having it duplicated on the outside

Re: Another LTE network turns up as IPv4-only squat space + NAT

2012-07-18 Thread Andrey Khomyakov
So some comments on the intertubes claim that DoD ok'd use of it's unadvertized space on private networks. Is there any official reference that may support this statement that anyone of you have seen out there? --Andrey

Re: Another LTE network turns up as IPv4-only squat space + NAT

2012-07-18 Thread TJ
Even if they did OK it (which i doubt), actually using it - especially in a public/customer facing / visible deployment - is a Bad Idea. *Traceability fail and possibly creating unreachable networks out there ...* /TJ On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Andrey Khomyakov khomyakov.and...@gmail.com

Re: Another LTE network turns up as IPv4-only squat space + NAT

2012-07-18 Thread Grant Ridder
I am on sprint and my ip is always in the 20. net even though my wan up is totally different. Grant On Wednesday, July 18, 2012, TJ wrote: Even if they did OK it (which i doubt), actually using it - especially in a public/customer facing / visible deployment - is a Bad Idea. *Traceability

RE: Another LTE network turns up as IPv4-only squat space + NAT

2012-07-18 Thread Chuck Church
Cc: Nanog Subject: Re: Another LTE network turns up as IPv4-only squat space + NAT Even if they did OK it (which i doubt), actually using it - especially in a public/customer facing / visible deployment - is a Bad Idea. *Traceability fail and possibly creating unreachable networks out

Another LTE network turns up as IPv4-only squat space + NAT

2012-07-17 Thread Cameron Byrne
FYI http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r27324698-LTE-access-early- So much for next generation technology ... CB

Re: Another LTE network turns up as IPv4-only squat space + NAT

2012-07-17 Thread TJ
On Jul 17, 2012 7:54 PM, Cameron Byrne cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: FYI http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r27324698-LTE-access-early- So much for next generation technology ... No IPv6, and using duplicate IPv4 space. #sigh #fail /TJ

Re: Another LTE network turns up as IPv4-only squat space + NAT

2012-07-17 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012, Cameron Byrne wrote: FYI http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r27324698-LTE-access-early- Short-sighted and foolish. Shame on you, Sprint. jms