Re: Are network operators morons? [was: CloudFlare issues?]

2019-06-25 Thread Randy Bush
>> perhaps the good side of this saga is that it may be an inflection >> point > I doubt it. > The greyer my hair gets, the crankier I get. i suspect i am a bit ahead of you there but i used to think that the public would never become aware of privacy issues. snowen bumped that ball and tim

Re: Are network operators morons? [was: CloudFlare issues?]

2019-06-25 Thread Sean Donelan
On Tue, 25 Jun 2019, Randy Bush wrote: perhaps the good side of this saga is that it may be an inflection point I doubt it. The greyer my hair gets, the crankier I get.

Re: Are network operators morons? [was: CloudFlare issues?]

2019-06-25 Thread Randy Bush
perhaps the good side of this saga is that it may be an inflection point randy

Re: Are network operators morons? [was: CloudFlare issues?]

2019-06-25 Thread Christopher Morrow
(thanks, btw, again) On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 8:33 AM Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > It is not like 701 is causing problems every week, or even ever year. If you > think this one incident proves they are ‘morons’, you are only showing you > are neither experienced nor mature enough to make that

Re: Are network operators morons? [was: CloudFlare issues?]

2019-06-25 Thread Mark Tinka
On 25/Jun/19 14:59, Adam Kennedy via NANOG wrote: > > > I believe there probably is a happy medium we can all meet, sort of > our own ISP DMZ, where we can help one another in the simple mistakes > or cut each other some slack in those difficult times. I like to think > NANOG is that place.

Re: Are network operators morons? [was: CloudFlare issues?]

2019-06-25 Thread Adam Kennedy via NANOG
Now with that out of the way... The mentality of everyone working together for a Better Internet (tm) is sort of a mantra of WISPA and WISPs in general. It is a mantra that has puzzled me and perplexed my own feelings as a network engineer. Do I want a better overall experience for my users and

Re: Are network operators morons? [was: CloudFlare issues?]

2019-06-25 Thread Matthew Walster
On Tue, 25 Jun 2019, 14:31 Patrick W. Gilmore, wrote: > I must be old. All I can think is Kids These Days, and maybe Get Off My > BGP, er Lawn. > Maybe they ought to [puts on shades] mind their MANRS. M (scuttling away) >

Are network operators morons? [was: CloudFlare issues?]

2019-06-25 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
[Removing the attribution, because many people have made statements like this over the last day - or year. Just selecting this one as a succinct and recent example to illustrate the point.] >> This blog post, and your CEO on Twitter today, took every opportunity to say >> “DAMN THOSE MORONS AT