Re: Are underground utility markers essential workers?

[Josh Luthman]

USIC marked on April 17 (last Friday) here.  At least the email said they
did in the afternoon - we just had to call them back to locate (there were
no red/power flags).

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 4:48 PM Jared Mauch  wrote:

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Re: Are underground utility markers essential workers?

[Bjørn Mork]

Nick Hilliard  writes:

> we have a very poorly-defined idea of what constitutes an "essential
> worker"

I thought "management" was the definition of non-essential workers. Who
else would have a job without being essential/critical for day-to-day
business?


Bjørn

Re: Are underground utility markers essential workers?

[Nick Hilliard]

Sean Donelan wrote on 21/04/2020 19:57:

Utility markers don't get the recognition they deserve.  If they aren't
essential workers, they should be and get hazard pay.

They help protect everyone's fiber and cables and pipes that go boom.


we have a very poorly-defined idea of what constitutes an "essential 
worker", and in the more general case, what constitutes an essential 
supplier.  Supply chains are complex, and disruptions in one place can 
serious downstream ripple effects in another.  There are plenty of 
examples like this at the moment:



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-16/broadcom-says-orders-require-six-months-notice-due-to-delays

Nick

Re: Are underground utility markers essential workers?

[Wayne Bouchard]

It really goes back to what I have maintained in that you can't really
say who is essential or not because such declarations never extend the
full width and breadth of the supply and distribution chain. For
example, someone manufacturing cardboard boxes might not be thought of
as essential but when these cardboard boxes are used to package food
items so they can be sent around the country, does that mean that they
now are? What if they're being used to package medical supplies?
Trying to judge "essential" and "non-essential" is always going to be
problematic and you're always going to get it wrong.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 02:57:15PM -0400, Sean Donelan wrote:
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> Utility markers don't get the recognition they deserve.  If they aren't
> essential workers, they should be and get hazard pay.
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> They help protect everyone's fiber and cables and pipes that go boom.
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Wayne Bouchard
w...@typo.org
Network Dude
http://www.typo.org/~web/

Re: Are underground utility markers essential workers?

[Ben Cannon]

In the scope and performance of their duties includes any work involving 
essential telecommunications expansion or restoration - then yes.

And agreed.  They save lives.  Period. 
Call before you dig. Please.

-Ben

Ms. Benjamin PD Cannon, ASCE
6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
CEO 
b...@6by7.net 
"The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
world."



> On Apr 21, 2020, at 11:57 AM, Sean Donelan  wrote:
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> essential workers, they should be and get hazard pay.
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> They help protect everyone's fiber and cables and pipes that go boom.
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Re: Are underground utility markers essential workers?

[William Herrin]

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 11:57 AM Sean Donelan  wrote:
> Utility markers don't get the recognition they deserve.  If they aren't
> essential workers, they should be and get hazard pay.

Hi Sean,

I agree that they're essential, but what hazard are we talking about?
The virus isn't mysteriously floating about "out there," beyond your
window. it's proximate to other people and more indoors than out.
Utility markers only rarely wound their way through crowds even when
the crowds weren't hunkered down at home.

Delivery workers, grocery workers, medical staff, I see a plausible
source of hazard there. What's the abnormal hazard to utility markers?

Regards,
Bill Herrin


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Re: Are underground utility markers essential workers?

[Brandon Martin]

On 4/21/20 2:57 PM, Sean Donelan wrote:

Utility markers don't get the recognition they deserve.  If they aren't
essential workers, they should be and get hazard pay.

They help protect everyone's fiber and cables and pipes that go boom.


If underground construction is an essential activity (and it certainly 
is, at least repairs generally are - new construction perhaps could be 
argued), then underground utility marking is, too, since it's mandatory 
for safely performing underground construction.

--
Brandon Martin

Re: Are underground utility markers essential workers?

[Jared Mauch]

USIC is not marking on Fridays around here.

URG is marking but only 4 hours a day.

- Jared

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Re: Are underground utility markers essential workers?

[Jeff Shultz]

Since in our case they are Outside Plant Tech's who are assigned the
duties as needed, they are essential workers.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 11:59 AM Sean Donelan  wrote:
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> Utility markers don't get the recognition they deserve.  If they aren't
> essential workers, they should be and get hazard pay.
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> They help protect everyone's fiber and cables and pipes that go boom.
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Are underground utility markers essential workers?

[Sean Donelan]

Utility markers don't get the recognition they deserve.  If they aren't
essential workers, they should be and get hazard pay.

They help protect everyone's fiber and cables and pipes that go boom.