RE: Are we back to the 2000's again?
>You wouldn't download a boat ;) Wouldn't that be a boatload? Sorry it's Monday morning and I could resist...
Re: Are we back to the 2000's again?
Yes. Much like cars. -- Regards, Terrence de Kat, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. Please quote relevant replies. From: Mel Beckman Sent: Sunday, 4 June 2023 02:41 To: Terrence de Kat Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Are we back to the 2000's again? > Sure you would. Water companies have reservoirs, and often people put boats > in the water, move them from dock to dock, take them out of the water, and > occasionally they get stolen. It’s not the water companies fault. > > -mel via cell > >> On Jun 3, 2023, at 3:08 PM, Terrence de Kat >> wrote: >> >> >> >> You wouldn't download a boat ;) >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Terrence de Kat, PhD/MTh/BPsy >> Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. >> >> Please quote relevant replies. >> >> From: Mel Beckman >> Sent: Sunday, 4 June 2023 00:06 >> To: William Herrin >> Cc: nanog@nanog.org >> Subject: Re: Are we back to the 2000's again? >> >>> William, >>> >>> But still, boats :) >>> >>> -mel >>> >>> > On Jun 3, 2023, at 2:58 PM, William Herrin wrote: >>> > >>> > On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 2:03 PM Michael Thomas wrote: >>> >> Am I missing something? >>> > >>> > That it's old news from 2019? Cox and RIAA are in the appeals process >>> > from the 2019 verdict. >>> > >>> > -- >>> > William Herrin >>> > b...@herrin.us >>> > https://bill.herrin.us/
Re: Are we back to the 2000's again?
Sure you would. Water companies have reservoirs, and often people put boats in the water, move them from dock to dock, take them out of the water, and occasionally they get stolen. It’s not the water companies fault. -mel via cell On Jun 3, 2023, at 3:08 PM, Terrence de Kat wrote: You wouldn't download a boat ;) -- Regards, Terrence de Kat, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. Please quote relevant replies. From: Mel Beckman Sent: Sunday, 4 June 2023 00:06 To: William Herrin Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Are we back to the 2000's again? William, But still, boats :) -mel > On Jun 3, 2023, at 2:58 PM, William Herrin wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 2:03 PM Michael Thomas wrote: >> Am I missing something? > > That it's old news from 2019? Cox and RIAA are in the appeals process > from the 2019 verdict. > > -- > William Herrin > b...@herrin.us > https://bill.herrin.us/
Re: Are we back to the 2000's again?
On 6/3/23 4:24 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 4:09 PM Michael Thomas wrote: How can the RIAA even know? I mean, are they putting up honey pots or something? IIRC, they went after folks sharing the files via bit torrent rather than folks who only downloaded them. Oh yeah. This oh-so-two decades ago. I can't believe this sort of thing is still going on. What a pointless waste of money. Mike
Re: Are we back to the 2000's again?
On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 4:09 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > How can the RIAA even know? I mean, are they putting up honey pots or > something? IIRC, they went after folks sharing the files via bit torrent rather than folks who only downloaded them. -- William Herrin b...@herrin.us https://bill.herrin.us/
Re: Are we back to the 2000's again?
On 6/3/23 4:01 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 2:51 PM Mel Beckman wrote: It’s like blaming water companies for people stealing boats :) It's been a while and the article is light on the facts of the case, but IIRC what happened was: RIAA made some DMCA complaints to Cox. Cox decided that since they were the network rather than the host, they couldn't "remove" the offending material, wouldn't cut the user's access and, because they have such respect for customer privacy, wouldn't tell the RIAA who the customers were unless RIAA subpoenaed them under a John Doe suit. The court decided that Cox's behavior was sufficient to waive the DMCA's liability shield for Internet providers and off they went to trial. How can the RIAA even know? I mean, are they putting up honey pots or something? Mike
Re: Are we back to the 2000's again?
On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 2:51 PM Mel Beckman wrote: > It’s like blaming water companies for people stealing boats :) It's been a while and the article is light on the facts of the case, but IIRC what happened was: RIAA made some DMCA complaints to Cox. Cox decided that since they were the network rather than the host, they couldn't "remove" the offending material, wouldn't cut the user's access and, because they have such respect for customer privacy, wouldn't tell the RIAA who the customers were unless RIAA subpoenaed them under a John Doe suit. The court decided that Cox's behavior was sufficient to waive the DMCA's liability shield for Internet providers and off they went to trial. Regards, Bill Herrin -- William Herrin b...@herrin.us https://bill.herrin.us/
Re: Are we back to the 2000's again?
You wouldn't download a boat ;) -- Regards, Terrence de Kat, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. Please quote relevant replies. From: Mel Beckman Sent: Sunday, 4 June 2023 00:06 To: William Herrin Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Are we back to the 2000's again? > William, > > But still, boats :) > > -mel > > > On Jun 3, 2023, at 2:58 PM, William Herrin wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 2:03 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > >> Am I missing something? > > > > That it's old news from 2019? Cox and RIAA are in the appeals process > > from the 2019 verdict. > > > > -- > > William Herrin > > b...@herrin.us > > https://bill.herrin.us/
Re: Are we back to the 2000's again?
William, But still, boats :) -mel > On Jun 3, 2023, at 2:58 PM, William Herrin wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 2:03 PM Michael Thomas wrote: >> Am I missing something? > > That it's old news from 2019? Cox and RIAA are in the appeals process > from the 2019 verdict. > > -- > William Herrin > b...@herrin.us > https://bill.herrin.us/
Re: Are we back to the 2000's again?
On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 2:03 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > Am I missing something? That it's old news from 2019? Cox and RIAA are in the appeals process from the 2019 verdict. -- William Herrin b...@herrin.us https://bill.herrin.us/
Re: Are we back to the 2000's again?
It’s like blaming water companies for people stealing boats :) -mel beckman > On Jun 3, 2023, at 2:06 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: > > > Apparently the RIAA is back suing ISP's (Cox in this case) for users pirating > music. It was pretty bogus back then, but with the uptake of TLS for almost > everything and DoH to conceal DNS requests what exactly is an ISP supposed to > do these days? Throw in a VPN and the pirates completely cut out the ISP. > > Am I missing something? > > > https://yro.slashdot.org/story/23/06/02/2043209/music-pirates-are-not-terrorists-record-labels-argue-in-court > > Mike >
Are we back to the 2000's again?
Apparently the RIAA is back suing ISP's (Cox in this case) for users pirating music. It was pretty bogus back then, but with the uptake of TLS for almost everything and DoH to conceal DNS requests what exactly is an ISP supposed to do these days? Throw in a VPN and the pirates completely cut out the ISP. Am I missing something? https://yro.slashdot.org/story/23/06/02/2043209/music-pirates-are-not-terrorists-record-labels-argue-in-court Mike
