On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Laszlo Hanyecz las...@heliacal.net
wrote: The Comcast business SMC gateway speaks RIP to make the
routed /29 work.. in theory it could be put into bridge mode and you can do
the RIP yourself but they don't support that configuration (you'd need the
key to
On 6/21/14, 3:20 PM, Frank Bulk frnk...@iname.com wrote:
Donley said that Cablelabs moved to a new hosting provider that (at that
time) did not support IPv6.
Www.cablelabs.com does have a , it's just that cablelabs.com doesn't.
Unfortunately all too common. We're also leaning on them to be
think
would meet our needs, please drop me a note off-list.
Frank
-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Gary Buhrmaster
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 9:41 PM
To: Owen DeLong
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion
On 6/18/2014 11:49 AM, TJ wrote:
Yeah, Verizon and VZW are not the same animal ... FiOS *needs* to get their
IPv6 house in order.
Anyone have any information on that front ...?
For FiOS, the ONTs do transparent muckery at the IP level and aren't yet
capable of equivalent IPv6 muckery.
On Jun 22, 2014, at 6:41 PM, Darren Pilgrim na...@bitfreak.org wrote:
On 6/18/2014 11:49 AM, TJ wrote:
Yeah, Verizon and VZW are not the same animal ... FiOS *needs* to get their
IPv6 house in order.
Anyone have any information on that front ...?
For FiOS, the ONTs do transparent muckery
On 6/22/2014 6:56 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
On Jun 22, 2014, at 6:41 PM, Darren Pilgrim na...@bitfreak.org
wrote:
For Comcast business services, the SMC box on my demarc panel isn't
IPv6 capable and neither are any of Comcast's other business CPE.
Not true. The Netgear CCB tried to install here
On Jun 22, 2014, at 7:07 PM, Darren Pilgrim na...@bitfreak.org wrote:
On 6/22/2014 6:56 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
On Jun 22, 2014, at 6:41 PM, Darren Pilgrim na...@bitfreak.org
wrote:
For Comcast business services, the SMC box on my demarc panel isn't
IPv6 capable and neither are any of
. =)
Frank
-Original Message-
From: George, Wes [mailto:wesley.geo...@twcable.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 4:58 PM
To: Frank Bulk
Cc: NANOG; Donley, Chris (Cable Labs)
Subject: Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion
On 6/21/14, 3:20 PM, Frank Bulk frnk...@iname.com wrote:
Donley said
On 6/22/2014 7:16 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
On Jun 22, 2014, at 7:07 PM, Darren Pilgrim na...@bitfreak.org wrote:
On 6/22/2014 6:56 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
OTOH, you can supply your own Motorola Surfboard DOCSIS 3 modem and
it works just fine with Comcast Business.
Have you tried using that with
On 6/22/2014 7:16 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
On Jun 22, 2014, at 7:07 PM, Darren Pilgrim na...@bitfreak.org wrote:
On 6/22/2014 6:56 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
On Jun 22, 2014, at 6:41 PM, Darren Pilgrim na...@bitfreak.org
wrote:
For Comcast business services, the SMC box on my demarc panel
needs to do some traffic inspection.
Frank
-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Darren Pilgrim
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 8:41 PM
To: trej...@gmail.com; Lee Howard
Cc: NANOG
Subject: Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion
On 6/18/2014 11:49 AM, TJ
-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Kalnozols, Andris
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 9:29 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion
snip
My experience as a Comcast Business customer with a /29 IPv4 subnet was
that swapping out the SMC modem/router
rep with more v6-fu
but I didn't pursue it.
Andris
-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Kalnozols, Andris
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 9:29 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion
snip
My experience
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion
snip
My experience as a Comcast Business customer with a /29 IPv4 subnet was
that swapping out the SMC modem/router for an IPV6-capable Motorola
DOCSIS 3 modem meant that I could no longer have the /29.
Andris
On Jun 22, 2014, at 20:41 , Laszlo Hanyecz las...@heliacal.net wrote:
On Jun 23, 2014, at 3:32 AM, Kalnozols, Andris and...@hpl.hp.com wrote:
On 6/22/2014 7:41 PM, Frank Bulk wrote:
Did they ever explain why? Did the SMC function as a router, and act as the
customer side of a stub
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Lee Howard l...@asgard.org wrote:
On 6/19/14 4:30 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Lee Howard l...@asgard.org wrote:
which content providers (large-ish ones) are lagging still?
.
Fessler was chasing down www.att.net, but I've not received an update on
this (BCCing him this message).
Frank
-Original Message-
From: Lee Howard [mailto:l...@asgard.org]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 7:54 AM
To: Frank Bulk; 'Jared Mauch'
Cc: NANOG
Subject: Re: Ars Technica on IPv4
Of Gary Buhrmaster
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 9:41 PM
To: Owen DeLong
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 10:47 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
.
Ideally, it would be nice if the UNH/IOL and/or CEA could come up with a
meaningful
On Thu, 19 Jun 2014, jim deleskie wrote:
Those all sounds like legit business questions.
Yup. On the otherhand at the other end of the customer spectrum:
http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/it-ti/ipv6/ipv6tb-eng.asp
-jim
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 2:45 PM, William F. Maton Sotomayor
-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Sadiq Saif
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 8:16 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Canada and IPv6 (was: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion)
On 6/18/2014 14:25, Lee Howard wrote:
Canada is way behind, just 0.4% deployment.
Any Canadian ISP folk in here want to shine a light
- Original Message -
From: Matthew Kaufman matt...@matthew.at
My Apple TV appears to use IPv6, but since there's no UI for it (last
I checked) I had to disable SLAAC on that subnet to keep it from
trying to use my slow connection.
So in my book, some v6 support is actually worse
...@nanog.org a écrit sur 2014-06-18 20:16:01 :
De : Sadiq Saif li...@sadiqs.com
A : nanog@nanog.org,
Date : 2014-06-19 12:43
Objet : Canada and IPv6 (was: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion)
Envoyé par : NANOG nanog-boun...@nanog.org
On 6/18/2014 14:25, Lee Howard wrote:
Canada is way behind, just 0.4
...@nanog.org a écrit sur 2014-06-18 20:16:01 :
De : Sadiq Saif li...@sadiqs.com
A : nanog@nanog.org,
Date : 2014-06-19 12:43
Objet : Canada and IPv6 (was: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion) Envoyé
par : NANOG nanog-boun...@nanog.org
On 6/18/2014 14:25, Lee Howard wrote:
Canada is way behind
2014-06-20 10:22:17 :
De : Gabriel Blanchard g...@teksavvy.ca
A : nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org,
Date : 2014-06-20 10:24
Objet : RE: Canada and IPv6 (was: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion)
Envoyé par : NANOG nanog-boun...@nanog.org
6rd is in my opinion a band-aid solution, I don't see
So in my book, some v6 support is actually worse than none
That has been my experience. The eyeballs are not happy.
R's,
John
for some net admins.
Thank You
-Original Message-
From: christopher.mor...@gmail.com [mailto:christopher.mor...@gmail.com] On
Behalf Of Christopher Morrow
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 10:14 AM
To: Edward Arthurs
Cc: nanog list
Subject: Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion
On Wed, Jun 18
NANOG nanog-boun...@nanog.org a écrit sur 2014-06-18 20:16:01 :
De : Sadiq Saif li...@sadiqs.com
A : nanog@nanog.org,
Date : 2014-06-19 12:43
Objet : Canada and IPv6 (was: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion)
Envoyé par : NANOG nanog-boun...@nanog.org
On 6/18/2014 14:25, Lee Howard wrote
On 6/19/14 11:13 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Lee Howard l...@asgard.org wrote:
On 6/19/14 4:30 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com
wrote:
So, I was focusing on the end-user (Consumer) set because given enough
migration
@nanog.org; NANOG
Subject: RE: Canada and IPv6 (was: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion)
Videotron (AS5769) is offering 6RD (RFC5969) to all residential customers, if
their gear supports it. (DHCP option 212)
(But our MGMT still calls it beta for now.)
JF
Jean-François Dubé
Technicien
NANOG nanog-boun...@nanog.org a écrit sur 2014-06-18 20:16:01 :
De : Sadiq Saif li...@sadiqs.com
A : nanog@nanog.org,
Date : 2014-06-19 12:43
Objet : Canada and IPv6 (was: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion) Envoyé
par : NANOG nanog-boun...@nanog.org
On 6/18/2014 14:25, Lee Howard wrote
ICANN != a good sampling of number resource issues or concerns.
As you noticed, the whole mess with domain names and their IP issues
is the monetary tail that wags the ICANN dog. ICANN barely pays attention
to number resources and when they do, it’s primarily to do whatever has
been agreed upon
On Jun 18, 2014, at 4:02 PM, George, Wes wesley.geo...@twcable.com wrote:
On 6/18/14, 4:09 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
Now, consider DVRs, BluRay players, Receiver/Amplifiers, Televisions,
etc. where there are, currently, no IPv6 capable choices available to
the best of my
On 6/17/14 11:43 PM, Frank Bulk frnk...@iname.com wrote:
These sites used to be dual-stacked:
www.cablelabs.com (over 180 days ago via ipv6.cablelabs.com)
www.att.net (over 44 days ago)
www.charter.com (over 151 days)
www.globalcrossing.com (over 802 days)
www.timewarnercable.com (over 593
I support a recommendation to consumer retailers to start requiring IPv6
support in the stuff that they sell, but unfortunately I don¹t have very
good data on how large of a request that actually is.
In my experience, retailers will sell whatever flies off the shelves
without
regard to
On 6/18/14 7:26 PM, Karl Auer ka...@biplane.com.au wrote:
On Wed, 2014-06-18 at 19:02 -0400, George, Wes wrote:
Similarly, Belkin¹s home routers appear to support IPv6, but that
doesn¹t
appear in the specs or features list on their site when I just checked
it.
There's also an issue of what
; 'Jared Mauch'
Cc: NANOG
Subject: Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion
On 6/17/14 11:43 PM, Frank Bulk frnk...@iname.com wrote:
These sites used to be dual-stacked:
www.cablelabs.com (over 180 days ago via ipv6.cablelabs.com)
www.att.net (over 44 days ago)
www.charter.com (over 151 days
On 6/18/2014 14:25, Lee Howard wrote:
Canada is way behind, just 0.4% deployment.
Any Canadian ISP folk in here want to shine a light on this dearth of
residential IPv6 connectivity?
Is there any progress being made on this front?
--
Sadiq Saif
: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion
In message e6f570a1-3911-437f-897f-81cb56937...@delong.com, Owen DeLong
write
s:
=20
However, I also don't think consumer education is the answer:
http://www.wleecoyote.com/blog/consumeraction.htm
Summary: Until it is perfectly clear
For consumers I think I would phrase it more as the next generation
internet and you need IPv6 in order to be able to connect to it and that
eventually some sites you want to connect to may not be accessible over the
current internet. Something like that.
I am going to be real interested to see
Short of consumer education, how do you expect to resolve the issue where
$CONSUMER walks into $BIG_BOX_CE_STORE
and says I need a router, what's the cheapest one you have?
By making the answer the cheapest is this FooTronics, but you're
better off with this MegaBar. The FooTronics doesn't do
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Edward Arthurs
earth...@legacyinmate.com wrote:
There are several obstacles to overcome, IMHO
1. The companies at the mid size and smaller levels have to invest in newer
equipment that handles IPV6.
if they have gear made in the last 7yrs it's likely already
From: Brian Hartsfield b...@tronstar.com
Date: Thursday, June 19, 2014 11:27 AM
To: Lee Howard l...@asgard.org
Cc: Owen DeLong o...@delong.com, Wesley George
wesley.geo...@twcable.com, nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion
For consumers I think I
On Thu, 19 Jun 2014, Brian Hartsfield wrote:
I am going to be real interested to see how the media handles the situation
when ARIN runs out of IPv4 addresses. I could really see some big doom
and gloom stories hit some of the mainstream media when that occurs. While
it isn't the end of the
On Wed, 18 Jun 2014, Sadiq Saif wrote:
On 6/18/2014 14:25, Lee Howard wrote:
Canada is way behind, just 0.4% deployment.
Any Canadian ISP folk in here want to shine a light on this dearth of
residential IPv6 connectivity?
Is there any progress being made on this front?
Teksavvy does it
Those all sounds like legit business questions.
-jim
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 2:45 PM, William F. Maton Sotomayor
wma...@ottix.net wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jun 2014, Sadiq Saif wrote:
On 6/18/2014 14:25, Lee Howard wrote:
Canada is way behind, just 0.4% deployment.
Any Canadian ISP folk in
On June 19, 2014 at 04:01 o...@delong.com (Owen DeLong) wrote:
ICANN != a good sampling of number resource issues or concerns.
As you noticed, the whole mess with domain names and their IP issues
is the monetary tail that wags the ICANN dog. ICANN barely pays attention
to number
On Thu, 19 Jun 2014, Christopher Morrow wrote:
2. The network Admins at the above mentioned companies need to learn IPV6,
most will want there company to pay the bill for this.
for a large majority of the use cases it's just configure that other
family on the interface and done.
In the
[mailto:christopher.mor...@gmail.com] On
Behalf Of Christopher Morrow
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 10:14 AM
To: Edward Arthurs
Cc: nanog list
Subject: Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Edward Arthurs earth...@legacyinmate.com
wrote:
There are several obstacles
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Barry Shein b...@world.std.com wrote:
Really. You're really completely discounting ICANN in having any
leadership or participative role in the IPv4/IPv6 transition?
What leadership position have you seen them take ASIDE from marketing
(in the last 2-3 yrs, but
On Thu, 19 Jun 2014 13:51:06 -0400, Barry Shein said:
Really. You're really completely discounting ICANN in having any
leadership or participative role in the IPv4/IPv6 transition?
Haven't seen any yet. Probably because you can't make money with IP addresses
like you can with TLD's
(Now
On Thu, 19 Jun 2014 10:53:20 -0700, Edward Arthurs said:
If mid to small companies have equipment made in the last 7 years, they will
not need to replace equipment.
Most net admins at the mid to small companies have no idea about IPV6.
In other words, upgrading or replacing liveware is more
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Justin M. Streiner
strei...@cluebyfour.org wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jun 2014, Christopher Morrow wrote:
2. The network Admins at the above mentioned companies need to learn
IPV6,
most will want there company to pay the bill for this.
for a large majority of the
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Edward Arthurs
earth...@legacyinmate.com wrote:
The difference between IPV4 and IPV6 for someone not familiar is huge,
1. There is a totally new format dotted decimal to colon.
2. The 32 bit to 128 bit is/or can be quite challenging for some net admins.
these
On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 14:17:29 -0400, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
Let's figure each person needs an end site for their place of business,
their two cars, their home, their vacation home, and just for good
measure, let's double that to be ultra-conservative. That's 10 end-sites
per
: christopher.mor...@gmail.com [mailto:christopher.mor...@gmail.com] On
Behalf Of Christopher Morrow
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 11:22 AM
To: Edward Arthurs
Cc: nanog list
Subject: Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Edward Arthurs earth...@legacyinmate.com
wrote
On Jun 19, 2014, at 11:27 AM, Brian Hartsfield b...@tronstar.com wrote:
... While it isn't the end of the world when ARIN runs out, it is still
significant
and I personally think that moment is going to be what starts to spur more
CIOs to
start asking questions about IPv6 and if their
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Edward Arthurs
earth...@legacyinmate.com wrote:
You are correct, but this is the tip of the iceberg as other configurations
will need to come into play as pointed out by several people on this thread.
This learning curve is not impossible, if the net admin
That is a good question and I wish I had a good answer. I'm trying to beat
the drums where I work for IPv6 and it is tough because nobody has thought
about it and in our situation I actuallly have a good case. We develop
mobile apps and with the amount of IPv6 VZW and T-mobile are doing having
On Thu, 19 Jun 2014, Ricky Beam wrote:
Can we stop with the lame every person, and their dog! numbering plans. The
same MISTAKE has been repeated so many times in recent history you'd think
people would know better. It's the exact same wrong-think that was applied to
the 32bit IPv4 addressing
But I thought ICANN was supposed to be the new and future nexus for
all things internet governance?
On June 19, 2014 at 13:57 morrowc.li...@gmail.com (Christopher Morrow) wrote:
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Barry Shein b...@world.std.com wrote:
Really. You're really completely
On Thu, 19 Jun 2014 15:59:34 -0400, Barry Shein said:
But I thought ICANN was supposed to be the new and future nexus for
all things internet governance?
Oh, come on Barry. This isn't your first rodeo, and I know you're *way*
too smart to believe that press releases align with reality...
On Thu, 19 Jun 2014 14:35:55 -0400, John Curran jcur...@arin.net wrote:
Any suggestions on how ARIN should reach those CIO's in the meantime?
Refuse additional IPv4 assignments to those who have not deployed IPv6.
And not just been assigned a v6 block, but actually running IPv6 to every
On 6/19/14 2:50 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Edward Arthurs
earth...@legacyinmate.com wrote:
You are correct, but this is the tip of the iceberg as other
configurations will need to come into play as pointed out by several
people on
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Lee Howard l...@asgard.org wrote:
How does IPv6 to end users make IPv4 unnecessary for growth, if
enterprises and content providers haven't deployed IPv6?
content folk are mostly getting v6 done already, right? (minus AWS/etc
which are on-plan to deploy as near
On Thu, 19 Jun 2014 12:21:12 -0400, Justin M. Streiner
strei...@cluebyfour.org wrote:
How much IPv6 space would you propose an ISP provisions for each of its
residential users?
A single /64 would, currently, be sufficient for 99% of households. The
link can be /128, /127, /64, whatever --
On Jun 19, 2014, at 4:27 PM, Ricky Beam jfb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jun 2014 14:35:55 -0400, John Curran jcur...@arin.net wrote:
Any suggestions on how ARIN should reach those CIO's in the meantime?
Refuse additional IPv4 assignments to those who have not deployed IPv6. And
not
On 6/19/14 4:30 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Lee Howard l...@asgard.org wrote:
How does IPv6 to end users make IPv4 unnecessary for growth, if
enterprises and content providers haven't deployed IPv6?
content folk are mostly getting
On 6/19/14 5:02 PM, John Curran jcur...@arin.net wrote:
On Jun 19, 2014, at 4:27 PM, Ricky Beam jfb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jun 2014 14:35:55 -0400, John Curran jcur...@arin.net
wrote:
Any suggestions on how ARIN should reach those CIO's in the meantime?
Refuse additional IPv4
Any suggestions on how ARIN should reach those CIO's in the meantime?
(so as to reduce the number who experience such surprise) We've done
some attempts at outreach to that community, and have advice from PR
firms, etc., but I'm interested in a more real world perspective on
getting their
On Jun 19, 2014, at 07:02 , Lee Howard l...@asgard.org wrote:
I support a recommendation to consumer retailers to start requiring IPv6
support in the stuff that they sell, but unfortunately I don¹t have very
good data on how large of a request that actually is.
In my experience,
On Jun 19, 2014, at 10:51 , Barry Shein b...@world.std.com wrote:
On June 19, 2014 at 04:01 o...@delong.com (Owen DeLong) wrote:
ICANN != a good sampling of number resource issues or concerns.
As you noticed, the whole mess with domain names and their IP issues
is the monetary tail that
On Jun 19, 2014, at 10:53 , Edward Arthurs earth...@legacyinmate.com wrote:
Thank You for responding.
If mid to small companies have equipment made in the last 7 years, they will
not need to replace equipment.
Most net admins at the mid to small companies have no idea about IPV6.
Cost is a
On Jun 19, 2014, at 11:27 , Ricky Beam jfb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 14:17:29 -0400, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
Let's figure each person needs an end site for their place of business,
their two cars, their home, their vacation home, and just for good measure,
let's
On Thu, 19 Jun 2014, Owen DeLong wrote:
If you read the rest of my post, you would realize that I wasn't arguing
to give out addresses to every person and their dog, but instead arguing
that trying to shift bits to the right would be costly and pointless
because there are more than enough
On Thu, 2014-06-19 at 15:55 -0700, Owen DeLong wrote:
With a small amount of conceptual knowledge, the differences between
IPv4 and IPv6 become very very small.
True story: At a previous employer, a local admin had pushed his network
over 250-odd PCs and wanted more addresses. So we extended
It depends on how you define Nexus.
Currently the way number resource policy works is that global policy requires
an identical policy
be put through the policy development process in each of the 5 regional
internet registries and
adopted by all 5. It is then sent to the ASO AC (an elected body
On 6/19/2014 5:14 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
and cut the
tea party fanaticism.
What might this mean in this context (IP) and environment (NANOG)?
--
Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 06:46:11PM -0500, Larry Sheldon wrote:
On 6/19/2014 5:14 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
and cut the
tea party fanaticism.
What might this mean in this context (IP) and environment (NANOG)?
Death to the lemon wedge
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 10:47 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
.
Ideally, it would be nice if the UNH/IOL and/or CEA could come up with a
meaningful definition of IPv6 support and a logo to go with it that we could
tell consumers to look for on the box. Ideally, this would be a set
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Lee Howard l...@asgard.org wrote:
On 6/19/14 4:30 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Lee Howard l...@asgard.org wrote:
How does IPv6 to end users make IPv4 unnecessary for growth, if
enterprises and content
Well my suggestion was less in the realm of imposing changes in policy
and more in the realm of providing resources (even if just as a nexus)
and fora to help promote IPv6 adoption, brainstorm the problem.
There is a cross-disciplinary aspect to this, it's not only a network
engineering and
IPv6 will never become the defacto standard until the vast majority of
users have access to IPv6 connectivity.
It may never become the defacto standard, period. Nearly 20 years to reach
2% penetration is a strong hint that the costs outweigh the benefits.
IP's global addressing system is broken
* m...@martingeddes.com (Martin Geddes) [Wed 18 Jun 2014, 18:17 CEST]:
It may never become the defacto standard, period. Nearly 20 years to reach
2% penetration is a strong hint that the costs outweigh the benefits.
Never before have we run out of IPv4 address space, so this time may
well be
On Jun 18, 2014, at 09:56 , Niels Bakker niels=na...@bakker.net wrote:
* m...@martingeddes.com (Martin Geddes) [Wed 18 Jun 2014, 18:17 CEST]:
It may never become the defacto standard, period. Nearly 20 years to reach
2% penetration is a strong hint that the costs outweigh the benefits.
The
Op 18 jun. 2014, om 11:41 heeft Martin Geddes m...@martingeddes.com het
volgende geschreven:
IPv6 will never become the defacto standard until the vast majority of
users have access to IPv6 connectivity.
It may never become the defacto standard, period. Nearly 20 years to reach
2%
A thought exercise for folks that think we need more network bits or fewer host
bits or whatever...
If you went from 64/64 to 96/32, what would you do with all those additional
network numbers?
Would you still assign /48s to end-sites or would you move that down to /80?
If you'd move that to
On 6/17/14 6:12 PM, Andrew Fried andrew.fr...@gmail.com wrote:
IPv6 will never become the defacto standard until the vast majority of
users have access to IPv6 connectivity.
How many users have access to IPv6 connectivity?
Since this is NANOG, let's talk about North America.
Canada is way
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Lee Howard l...@asgard.org wrote:
Verizon Wireless and T-Mobile have great IPv6 deployments, too, maybe a
couple more years for older handsets to age out. Still, 50% of VzW LTE
devices use IPv6 now.
ISTR that every VZW LTE device is IPv6
2. Older gateways, especially consumer-owned retail devices, don't support
IPv6. Churn would help, if new retail gateways supported IPv6.
Several do now. What are $CABLECO, $CE_STORES, etc. doing to make sure
consumers choose these or at least realize the consequences of failing to
choose
On 6/18/14 3:38 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
2. Older gateways, especially consumer-owned retail devices, don't
support
IPv6. Churn would help, if new retail gateways supported IPv6.
Several do now. What are $CABLECO, $CE_STORES, etc. doing to make sure
consumers choose these or
However, I also don't think consumer education is the answer:
http://www.wleecoyote.com/blog/consumeraction.htm
Summary: Until it is perfectly clear why a consumer needs IPv6, and what
they need to do about it, consumer education will only cause fear and
frustration, which will not be
Not to mix this up but one of the main reasons I attended ICANN
meetings over several years was an interest in the IPv4/IPv6
transition.
To say interest was sparse is an under, er, over statement.
There was a good session on legacy IPs, a topic more than marginally
related, in Toronto in fall
On 6/18/14, 1:09 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
However, I also don't think consumer education is the answer:
http://www.wleecoyote.com/blog/consumeraction.htm Summary: Until it
is perfectly clear why a consumer needs IPv6, and what they need to
do about it, consumer education will only cause fear
My Apple TV appears to use IPv6, but since there's no UI for it (last I
checked) I had to disable SLAAC on that subnet to keep it from trying to use my
slow connection.
So in my book, some v6 support is actually worse than none
Matthew Kaufman
(Sent from my iPhone)
On Jun 18, 2014, at 1:09
On 6/18/14, 4:09 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
Now, consider DVRs, BluRay players, Receiver/Amplifiers, Televisions,
etc. where there are, currently, no IPv6 capable choices available to
the best of my knowledge.
I think this thread exemplifies a problem among the IPv6 early adopters
In message e6f570a1-3911-437f-897f-81cb56937...@delong.com, Owen DeLong write
s:
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However, I also don't think consumer education is the answer:
http://www.wleecoyote.com/blog/consumeraction.htm
Summary: Until it is perfectly clear why a consumer needs IPv6, and =
what
they need to do
On Wed, 2014-06-18 at 19:02 -0400, George, Wes wrote:
Similarly, Belkin’s home routers appear to support IPv6, but that doesn’t
appear in the specs or features list on their site when I just checked it.
There's also an issue of what IPv6 support actually means. A few years
ago it meant has IPv6
On Thursday, June 19, 2014 01:02:15 AM George, Wes wrote:
For example: in ~September 2013 I was pleasantly
surprised to find (via some colleagues observing it in
the UI) that a number of current Sony TVs and BluRay
players do in fact support IPv6, but at the time, it
wasn’t listed as a
Here's what the general public is hearing:
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/06/with-the-americas-running-out-of-ipv4-its-official-the-internet-is-full/
And yes, I checked the dateline this time. :-)
Cheers,
-- jra
--
Jay R. Ashworth Baylink
On 6/17/14 4:20 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote:
Here's what the general public is hearing:
But only while they still have IPv4 addresses:
~$ dig arstechnica.com +short
~$
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/06/with-the-americas-ru
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