Re: BT strike could affect internet and phone connections

2010-05-29 Thread Andy Davidson
On 27 May 2010, at 16:48, Tim Franklin wrote: >> Internet and phone connections across Britain could go into meltdown >> as BT workers threaten their first national strike for 23 years... > I get a lovely vision from that of a real old-style manual switchboard > operator, frantically plugging int

Re: BT strike could affect internet and phone connections

2010-05-28 Thread Steven Bellovin
On May 28, 2010, at 12:06 56PM, Sam Hayes Merritt, III wrote: > > On Fri, 28 May 2010, Steven Bellovin wrote: > >> The only people who can never strikes are public employees. > > I know we've left the realm of NANOG, but come again? I should have added the word "legally", and then for most ju

Re: BT strike could affect internet and phone connections

2010-05-28 Thread Sam Hayes Merritt, III
On Fri, 28 May 2010, Steven Bellovin wrote: The only people who can never strikes are public employees. I know we've left the realm of NANOG, but come again? Oakland teacher strike of 2010. various teacher strikes in the Chicago area over the years air traffic controllers in 1981 postal work

Re: BT strike could affect internet and phone connections

2010-05-28 Thread Steven Bellovin
On May 28, 2010, at 4:10 36AM, joel jaeggli wrote: > On 2010-05-27 17:57, andrew.wallace wrote: >> On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 1:17 AM, joel jaeggli >> wrote: >>> On 2010-05-27 10:42, andrew.wallace wrote: Look at it from an attackers point of view. If you're thinking about carrying o

Re: BT strike could affect internet and phone connections

2010-05-28 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-05-27 17:57, andrew.wallace wrote: On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 1:17 AM, joel jaeggli wrote: On 2010-05-27 10:42, andrew.wallace wrote: Look at it from an attackers point of view. If you're thinking about carrying out an electronic jihad of some kind when is the best time? A normal working

RE: BT strike could affect internet and phone connections

2010-05-27 Thread George Bonser
> -Original Message- > From: andrew.wallace [mailto:andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 5:58 PM > To: joe...@bogus.com > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: BT strike could affect internet and phone connections > > On Fri, May 28, 2010

Re: BT strike could affect internet and phone connections

2010-05-27 Thread andrew.wallace
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 1:17 AM, joel jaeggli wrote: > On 2010-05-27 10:42, andrew.wallace wrote: >> >> Look at it from an attackers point of view. If you're thinking about >> carrying out an electronic jihad of some kind when is the best time? >> A normal working day or during an engineers strike

Re: BT strike could affect internet and phone connections

2010-05-27 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-05-27 10:42, andrew.wallace wrote: Look at it from an attackers point of view. If you're thinking about carrying out an electronic jihad of some kind when is the best time? A normal working day or during an engineers strike that only happens once every 23 years? Not to put to fine a poi

Re: BT strike could affect internet and phone connections

2010-05-27 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 27 May 2010 12:57:42 PDT, "andrew.wallace" said: > Are you *still* using the same threat models as you were 11 years ago? No, it's just in the late 90's our threat models and protocols were already advanced to where everybody else is just getting to now. You won't be able to comprehend ou

Re: BT strike could affect internet and phone connections

2010-05-27 Thread andrew.wallace
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 7:23 PM, wrote: > On Thu, 27 May 2010 10:42:37 PDT, "andrew.wallace" said: >> Look at it from an attackers point of view. If you're thinking about carrying >> out an electronic jihad of some kind when is the best time? A normal working >> day or during an engineers strike

Re: BT strike could affect internet and phone connections

2010-05-27 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 27 May 2010 10:42:37 PDT, "andrew.wallace" said: > Look at it from an attackers point of view. If you're thinking about carrying > out an electronic jihad of some kind when is the best time? A normal working > day or during an engineers strike that only happens once every 23 years? A co-wo

Re: BT strike could affect internet and phone connections

2010-05-27 Thread Bryan Fields
On 5/27/2010 14:16, David Reader wrote: > On Thu, 27 May 2010 15:48:09 + (GMT) > Tim Franklin wrote: > >> Clearly BT engineers being on strike will stop broken things from >> being fixed[0]. I'm very unclear how it will cause things that are >> working today to suddenly "go into meltdown"...

Re: BT strike could affect internet and phone connections

2010-05-27 Thread David Reader
On Thu, 27 May 2010 15:48:09 + (GMT) Tim Franklin wrote: > Clearly BT engineers being on strike will stop broken things from > being fixed[0]. I'm very unclear how it will cause things that are > working today to suddenly "go into meltdown"... Quite, and.. it's not unheard-of for reliabilit

Re: BT strike could affect internet and phone connections

2010-05-27 Thread andrew.wallace
>> if broadband crashes then thousands and thousands of people will find >> their internet goes down.’ >> >> http://www.metro.co.uk/news/828021-threat-of-bt-strike-could-affect-internet-and-phone-connections > > I get a lovely vision from that of a real old-style manual

Re: BT strike could affect internet and phone connections

2010-05-27 Thread Peter Hicks
On 27/05/2010 16:48, Tim Franklin wrote: I get a lovely vision from that of a real old-style manual switchboard operator, frantically plugging internet connections together with patch cords as each SYN packet rings a little bell. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgqEIp2YmtE Poggs

Re: BT strike could affect internet and phone connections

2010-05-27 Thread Larry Sheldon
oadband crashes then thousands and thousands of people will find >> their internet goes down.’ >> >> http://www.metro.co.uk/news/828021-threat-of-bt-strike-could-affect-internet-and-phone-connections > > I get a lovely vision from that of a real old-style manual

Re: BT strike could affect internet and phone connections

2010-05-27 Thread Tim Franklin
ll find > their internet goes down.’ > > http://www.metro.co.uk/news/828021-threat-of-bt-strike-could-affect-internet-and-phone-connections I get a lovely vision from that of a real old-style manual switchboard operator, frantically plugging internet connections together with patch cords as

BT strike could affect internet and phone connections

2010-05-27 Thread andrew.wallace
goes down.’ http://www.metro.co.uk/news/828021-threat-of-bt-strike-could-affect-internet-and-phone-connections -- Andrew http://sites.google.com/site/n3td3v/