Re: Beware: a very bad precedent set

2009-09-01 Thread John Peach
On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 08:12:33 +1000 Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote: In message 4a9c45d2.1000...@brightok.net, Jack Bates writes: na...@wbsconnect.com wrote: Any and all nefarious activity alleged in this lawsuit was conducted by a c ustomer, of a customer, of a customer yet the

Beware: a very bad precedent set

2009-08-31 Thread nanog
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Louis-Vuitton-Awarded-324-bw-3561952192.html?x=0.v=1 NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Louis Vuitton Malletier, S.A. (“Louis Vuitton”) part of LVMH, the world’s leading luxury group, today announced that it has won the lawsuit it filed in 2007 against the California based

Re: Beware: a very bad precedent set

2009-08-31 Thread Jack Bates
na...@wbsconnect.com wrote: Any and all nefarious activity alleged in this lawsuit was conducted by a customer, of a customer, of a customer yet the hosting provider was found liable, not the actual criminal manufacturing and selling the fakes. We had all better watch our backs since it seems

RE: Beware: a very bad precedent set

2009-08-31 Thread Greg Whynott
that is so sad makes me very angry reading this. -g From: na...@wbsconnect.com [na...@wbsconnect.com] Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 5:35 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Beware: a very bad precedent set http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Louis-Vuitton

OT Re: Beware: a very bad precedent set

2009-08-31 Thread jamie
Wrong, wrong, wrong, Dr. Wrongy W. Wrongenstein. If you're served with notice that you have a downstream customer /conducting business that's illegal or tortious/ , you can't ignore it.. IANAL(yet), but ISPs don't really enjoy the same rights as public carriers s/a telcos. And in this case, ISP

Re: Beware: a very bad precedent set

2009-08-31 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 4a9c45d2.1000...@brightok.net, Jack Bates writes: na...@wbsconnect.com wrote: Any and all nefarious activity alleged in this lawsuit was conducted by a c ustomer, of a customer, of a customer yet the hosting provider was found liab le, not the actual criminal manufacturing and

Re: Beware: a very bad precedent set

2009-08-31 Thread Bret Clark
How does this stuff ever make it to court??? Why is it an ISP is responsible for policing it's customers? I'm constantly getting called up from scammers trying to offering me bogus warranty insurance for cars I don't own...does that mean I can sue Verizon because they are letting scammers use

Re: Beware: a very bad precedent set

2009-08-31 Thread Robin Rodriguez
On Aug 31, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Bret Clark wrote: How does this stuff ever make it to court??? Why is it an ISP is responsible for policing it's customers? I'm constantly getting called up from scammers trying to offering me bogus warranty insurance for cars I don't own...does that mean I

Re: Beware: a very bad precedent set

2009-08-31 Thread Peter Hicks
Bret Clark wrote: How does this stuff ever make it to court??? Why is it an ISP is responsible for policing it's customers? I'm constantly getting called up from scammers trying to offering me bogus warranty insurance for cars I don't own...does that mean I can sue Verizon because they are

Re: Beware: a very bad precedent set

2009-08-31 Thread William Pitcock
I would have figured that everyone would have learned that abuse@ being a blackhole is a bad idea from what happened to Atrivo/InterCage. William --Original Message-- From: Mark Andrews To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Beware: a very bad precedent set Sent: Aug 31, 2009 5:12 PM

Re: Beware: a very bad precedent set

2009-08-31 Thread William Herrin
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Jack Batesjba...@brightok.net wrote: The Akanoc Defendants’ specific business model of providing unmanaged server capacity to web hosting resellers does not exempt them from taking active steps to effectively prevent infringing activity upon notification from

Re: Beware: a very bad precedent set

2009-08-31 Thread jamie
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 6:47 PM, William Herrin herrin-na...@dirtside.comwrote: Does anyone have a link to the decision? https://arpa.com/news/C0703952JW.pdf?n -jamie

Re: Beware: a very bad precedent set

2009-08-31 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 6:47 PM, William Pitcockneno...@systeminplace.net wrote: I would have figured that everyone would have learned that abuse@ being a blackhole is a bad idea from what happened to Atrivo/InterCage. I don't think that's the lesson learned from that case at all actually. The