Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

On 10 January 2016 at 20:12, Owen DeLong wrote: > >> On Jan 9, 2016, at 08:01 , Jeremy Austin wrote: >> >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 5:06 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >>> >>> The best solution for everybody is the solution most consumers are

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

Alan Buxey wrote: > > Bulk data and background update processes are things that could possibly > by throttled - after all, that's pretty much what QoS does. Most of my > phone data is google play software updates and on woes phone ios and > itunes store updates - it

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

T-Mobile CEO Apologizes For “Offending” EFF And Its Supporters After an aggressive response to his company, T-Mobile, being called out for being anti-Net Neutrality on its new “Binge On” product by the EFF, CEO John Legere has backtracked a bit. In case you missed it, he flippantly asked “Who

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 7:12 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > > For $x/month you get Y GB of LTE speed data and after that you drop to > 128kbps. > > You don’t pay an overage charge, but your data slows way down. > > If you want to make it fast again, you can for $reasonable purchase >

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

> On Jan 11, 2016, at 10:00 , Jeremy Austin wrote: > > > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 7:12 PM, Owen DeLong > wrote: > > For $x/month you get Y GB of LTE speed data and after that you drop to > 128kbps. > > You don’t pay an

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: > > >> >> > This is similar to Hughesnet's FAP (unfortunately named Fair Access > Policy). > > I've had some consumer success with this model. There are other fairness > models that can augment it, however; it's not my

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: > > > > My favorite is actually having enough bandwidth to meet demand. What a > concept. Ought to work for terrestrial; where we run out of > spectrum/bandwidth is in shared-medium last-mile. > > > That’s not a billing model…

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

> On Jan 11, 2016, at 10:31 , Jeremy Austin wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Owen DeLong > wrote: > >> >> >> >> This is similar to Hughesnet's FAP (unfortunately named Fair Access Policy). >> >> I've had some

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

> On Jan 11, 2016, at 11:07 , Jeremy Austin wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Owen DeLong > wrote: > >> >> >> My favorite is actually having enough bandwidth to meet demand. What a >> concept. Ought to work for

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

> On Jan 9, 2016, at 08:01 , Jeremy Austin wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 5:06 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > >> >> The best solution for everybody is the solution most consumers are adverse >> to, which is usage based billing. Granted, many times the

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

On Sat, 9 Jan 2016, Jeremy Austin wrote: Let me be a consumer advocate for a moment. One of the reasons consumers are averse to usage-based billing is that the tech industry has not put good tools into their hands. While it is possible to disable automatic updates, set Windows 10's network

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

Ugh, I had to deal with this almost daily at $large_metered_us_carrier. We have WiFi hotspots and USB modems and inevitably the customers who usually use <2GB and have plans based on that usage got slapped with huge Windows 10 overages. Explaining that no, your "geebee" meter isn't broken,

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

For the sake of security of all internet connected hosts - especially in this new era of even more IOT junk , security updates, firmware and new OS updates should be granted libre data rates so that users who keep their devices updated are not penalised. as for carriers pipes...will, if

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

nal Message - > > From: "Alan Buxey" <a.l.m.bu...@lboro.ac.uk> > To: "Mike Hammett" <na...@ics-il.net> > Cc: "North American Network Operators' Group" <nanog@nanog.org> > Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 4:38:58 AM &g

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Alan Buxey wrote: > For the sake of security of all internet connected hosts - especially in this > new era of even more IOT junk , security updates, firmware and new OS > updates should be granted libre data rates so that users who

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 14:04:13 +, Alan Buxey said: > as for carriers pipes...will, if multicast was seriously taken up then eg OS > updates could be streamed out on regular updates You can multicast the Super Bowl, because to a rather high rate of accuracy you can assume that everybody who

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>> as for carriers pipes...will, if multicast was seriously taken up then eg OS >> updates could be streamed out on regular updates Given that a lot of these updates are happening in the background without any interaction with the users, I'd think they'd be ideal for network-un-neutral traffic

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>>> as for carriers pipes...will, if multicast was seriously taken up >>> then eg OS updates could be streamed out on regular updates > > Given that a lot of these updates are happening in the background > without any interaction with the users maybe for your customers, but not so true for our

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

quot; <jo...@iecc.com> Cc: "North American Network Operators' Group" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 4:54:34 PM Subject: Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan. >>> as for carriers pipes...will, if multicast was serious

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Given that a lot of these updates are happening in the background without any interaction with the users maybe for your customers, but not so true for our user base or others with which i have experience. wise folk want control of patching. and it's not only IT departments, but end users.

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

You're assuming that people are only using phones with their SIM - those that use a mifi dongle and thus view content on a tablet or laptop will notice We could rate limit traffic from YouTube to 1.5mbps and let the adaptive streaming knock the steam to 480p bit our users with 100mbit

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

quot;North American Network Operators' Group" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 4:38:58 AM Subject: Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan. You're assuming that people are only using phones with their SIM - those that use a mifi dongle and thus vie

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

> > To: "Valdis Kletnieks" <valdis.kletni...@vt.edu> > Cc: "North American Network Operators' Group" <nanog@nanog.org> > Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 10:07:06 PM > Subject: Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan. >

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

On Sat, 09 Jan 2016 11:12:16 -0600, Mike Hammett said: > Bytes uploaded and\or downloaded. That's all that should matter. Initiated by > you or not. You want to be the one explaining to your customer that the reason they got charged for 20G of unexpected transfer was because their 3 Windows 8

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan. [Comcast meter Q]

On 1/9/16, 12:04 PM, "NANOG on behalf of Robert Webb" wrote: >Unfortunately, providers like Comcast, yes, I know they aren't wireless, >but their usage meter is a joke and a proprietary based joke at that. I >do not think I have ever seen

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

Network Operators' Group" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:04:05 AM Subject: Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan. Unfortunately when it comes to "competition" in the wireless world, even though there are multiple providers, th

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

The normal consumer has no way to correlate what the "real" cost is as the providers keep their "costs" for bandwidth, transit, etc. proprietary secrets and always lie to the consumer and muddy the picture of what the ISP actually pays for regarding bits! Additionally, until there can be

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

, 2016 10:37:23 AM Subject: Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan. The normal consumer has no way to correlate what the "real" cost is as the providers keep their "costs" for bandwidth, transit, etc. proprietary secrets and always lie to the consume

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

; <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 10:37:23 AM Subject: Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan. The normal consumer has no way to correlate what the "real" cost is as the providers keep their "costs" for bandwidth, tran

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 5:06 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > The best solution for everybody is the solution most consumers are adverse > to, which is usage based billing. Granted, many times the providers have > shot themselves in the foot by making the charges punitive instead of

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

On Fri, Jan 08, 2016 at 09:11:51AM -0800, Hugo Slabbert wrote: > ...so...you're "optimizing" the bitrate of video traffic for mobile > by lowering it to 1.5 mbps, but don't worry: it's not "throttling". It's not just video. Per comments on Techdirt, this also affects other traffic being

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

In article <1725530149.7756.1452359589375.JavaMail.mhammett@ThunderFuck> you write: >Bytes uploaded and\or downloaded. That's all that should matter. Initiated by >you or not. As should be obvious to people on NANOG, of all places, mobile networks and fixed networks are different. On a mobile

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

e Hammett" <na...@ics-il.net> Cc: "North American Network Operators' Group" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 10:01:47 AM Subject: Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan. On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 5:06 AM, Mike Hammett &

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

ators' Group" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:04:05 AM Subject: Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan. Unfortunately when it comes to "competition" in the wireless world, even though there are multiple providers, the consumer will

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

>> >> - Original Message - >> >> From: "Robert Webb" <rw...@ropeguru.com> To: "Mike Hammett" < >> na...@ics-il.net> Cc: "North American Network Operators' Group" < >> nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Saturday, January

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

At least Microsoft would get heat for unsolicited downloads. Why does Microsoft (allegedly) think they can download (unwanted or at least unsolicited) software to unsuspecting users computer, just to upsell them, at our expense? 20Gigs per household is a lot of data across a market. If it was

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

gt; http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > > > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > http://www.midwest-ix.com > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: "Constantine A. Murenin" <muren...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> &

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

, 2016 10:07:06 PM Subject: Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan. On 7 January 2016 at 19:43, Valdis Kletnieks <valdis.kletni...@vt.edu> wrote: > So we went round and round back in November regarding Binge On! and whether > it was net neutrality. So here's some

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

<valdis.kletni...@vt.edu> > Cc: "North American Network Operators' Group" <nanog@nanog.org> > Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 10:07:06 PM > Subject: Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan. > > On 7 January 2016 at 19:43, Valdis Kletni

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og.org> Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 10:57:32 PM Subject: Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan. You are assuming a 4” display. First, lots of phones these days (mine include) larger than 4” displays. Even more phones, again, mine included, have HDMI output. And y

RE: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

Of Hugo Slabbert Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 12:12 PM To: Valdis Kletnieks <valdis.kletni...@vt.edu> Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan. On Thu 2016-Jan-07 22:43:20 -0500, Valdis Kletnieks <valdis.kletni...@vt.edu> wrote: >S

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

On 7 January 2016 at 19:43, Valdis Kletnieks wrote: > So we went round and round back in November regarding Binge On! and whether > it was net neutrality. So here's some closure to that... > > The EFF did some testing and discovered that what T-Mobile is actually doing >

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

On Thu 2016-Jan-07 22:43:20 -0500, Valdis Kletnieks wrote: So we went round and round back in November regarding Binge On! and whether it was net neutrality. So here's some closure to that... The EFF did some testing and discovered that what T-Mobile is actually

Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

So we went round and round back in November regarding Binge On! and whether it was net neutrality. So here's some closure to that... The EFF did some testing and discovered that what T-Mobile is actually doing doesn't match what they said it was...