Re: Bird vs Quagga revisited

2012-09-02 Thread Edward Dore
The Linux Kernel itself may be GPL (which I wasn't debating), however I see no reason why MikroTik's MPLS stack couldn't work in a similar way to the closed source NVidia driers where my understanding is that a GPL stub loads a binary blob. Have you asked MikroTik for a copy of the source? Edw

Re: Bird vs Quagga revisited

2012-09-01 Thread Bjørn Mork
Edward Dore writes: > They used to publish the source for their 2.4 kernel on > routerboard.com (in fact, it's still available at > http://routerboard.com/files/linux-2.4.31.zip), but I've not seen > anything for the 2.6 kernel however and the routerboard.com site was > redesigned a little while

Re: Bird vs Quagga revisited

2012-09-01 Thread Bjørn Mork
Seth Mattinen writes: > What's the state of MPLS on Linux these days? There was some renewed interest "recently" (i.e. last year). See the discussion starting at http://www.spinics.net/lists/netdev/msg180282.html But do note davem's replies in http://www.spinics.net/lists/netdev/msg180401.html

Re: Bird vs Quagga revisited

2012-08-31 Thread Edward Dore
re which package they use, or if they rolled their own MPLS >> support... >> >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> >> From: "Seth Mattinen" >> To: nanog@nanog.org >> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:42:14 PM >> Subject: Re: Bird vs Quagga revisited >> >> >> What's the state of MPLS on Linux these days? >> >> ~Seth >> >> >> > >

Re: Bird vs Quagga revisited

2012-08-31 Thread Eduardo Schoedler
ooked, the "mpls-linux" project over at SourceForge was > incomplete and slow - I have no idea if this has changed at all recently > however. > > > > > > Edward Dore > > > Freethought Internet > > > > > > ----- Original Message

Re: Bird vs Quagga revisited

2012-08-31 Thread Dan Shechter
nal Message - > > From: "Walter Keen" > > To: "Seth Mattinen" > > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > > Sent: Wednesday, 29 August, 2012 2:00:52 AM > > Subject: Re: Bird vs Quagga revisited > > > > I'm fairly sure that Mikrotik software is base

Re: Bird vs Quagga revisited

2012-08-31 Thread Laurent GUERBY
t;Seth Mattinen" > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Wednesday, 29 August, 2012 2:00:52 AM > Subject: Re: Bird vs Quagga revisited > > I'm fairly sure that Mikrotik software is based on linux, and supports MPLS. > > Not too sure which package they use, or if they rolled their

Re: Bird vs Quagga revisited

2012-08-29 Thread Eduardo Schoedler
t; > > > > - Original Message ----- > > From: "Seth Mattinen" > To: nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:42:14 PM > Subject: Re: Bird vs Quagga revisited > > > What's the state of MPLS on Linux these days? > > ~Seth > > >

Re: Bird vs Quagga revisited

2012-08-29 Thread Edward J. Dore
t Internet - Original Message - From: "Walter Keen" To: "Seth Mattinen" Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Wednesday, 29 August, 2012 2:00:52 AM Subject: Re: Bird vs Quagga revisited I'm fairly sure that Mikrotik software is based on linux, and supports MPLS. Not too sure which

Re: Bird vs Quagga revisited

2012-08-28 Thread Walter Keen
PM Subject: Re: Bird vs Quagga revisited What's the state of MPLS on Linux these days? ~Seth

Re: Bird vs Quagga revisited

2012-08-28 Thread Seth Mattinen
What's the state of MPLS on Linux these days? ~Seth

Re: Bird vs Quagga revisited

2012-08-28 Thread David Lamparter
> > Personally I would like to see more work on all three opensource > > implementations, i.e. BIRD, OpenBGPd and Quagga. > > http://opensourcerouting.org/ to the rescue? Hi, I'm David Lamparter, employed at the OpenSourceRouting (OSR) project to maintain Quagga. I can tell you that the OSR's int

Re: Bird vs Quagga revisited

2012-08-24 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:42 PM, David Hubbard wrote: > Of those who have used Quagga or Bird, or anything else, > would either of them be appropriate and/or well suited for > use as an iBGP blackhole route server? We currently > do blackholes via manual config on one of our real > routers but ar

Re: Bird vs Quagga revisited

2012-08-24 Thread Ray Soucy
Don't forget about XORP if you have any need for multicast routing ... On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:19 AM, Hank Nussbacher wrote: > Sorry to disrupt the bad cabling thread, but I'd like to revisit a thread > from 2 years ago. I have read over the NANOG presentations: > http://www.nanog.org/meetings

Re: Bird vs Quagga revisited (MP-BGP RR)

2012-08-24 Thread Thomas Mangin
On 23 Aug 2012, at 15:04, Raymond Burkholder wrote: > To expand the opinion set, how do Quagga, Bird, exaBGP, OpenBGPd hold up for > handling Multi-Protocol BGP Route Reflector duties in a BGP/MPLS environment > for a smaller ISP? I am using BIRD as a RR between a busy VRF and our core and will

Re: Bird vs Quagga revisited

2012-08-23 Thread Thomas Mangin
Fell free to contact me if you have any questions about ExaBGP as I am painfully aware it's documentation is nowhere near what it should be. Thomas Sent from my iPad On 23 Aug 2012, at 08:52, Andy Davidson wrote: > > On 22 Aug 2012, at 18:42, David Hubbard wrote: > >> Of those who have use

RE: Bird vs Quagga revisited (MP-BGP RR)

2012-08-23 Thread Raymond Burkholder
> > > Of those who have used Quagga or Bird, or anything else, > > would either of them be appropriate and/or well suited for > > use as an iBGP blackhole route server? > To expand the opinion set, how do Quagga, Bird, exaBGP, OpenBGPd hold up for handling Multi-Protocol BGP Route Reflector duti

Re: Bird vs Quagga revisited

2012-08-23 Thread Andy Davidson
On 22 Aug 2012, at 18:42, David Hubbard wrote: > Of those who have used Quagga or Bird, or anything else, > would either of them be appropriate and/or well suited for > use as an iBGP blackhole route server? You can use Quagga or Bird as a blackhole BGP injector, because the forwarding load is

Re: Bird vs Quagga revisited

2012-08-22 Thread Vlad Galu
On Wednesday, August 22, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Andy Davidson wrote: > I'm not clear what you care about from a performance point of view - > forwarding ? acting as a route-server ? collector ? BIRD is a great, > super-fast route-server daemon - much "better" than typical competitors > Quagga and Op

Re: Bird vs Quagga revisited

2012-08-22 Thread Christian Esteve Rothenberg
> Personally I would like to see more work on all three opensource > implementations, i.e. BIRD, OpenBGPd and Quagga. http://opensourcerouting.org/ to the rescue? -- Christian Esteve Rothenberg, Ph.D. Converged Networks Business Unit CPqD - Center for Research and Development in Telecommunicatio

Re: Bird vs Quagga revisited

2012-08-22 Thread Arnold Nipper
On 22.08.2012 11:22, John Souter wrote: > On 22/08/12 06:19, Hank Nussbacher wrote: >> ...Any feedback appreciated. > > I can't speak too highly of BIRD. Our use case is probably not > completely typical, but our multilateral peering route servers have been > hugely improved by switching to BIRD.

Re: Bird vs Quagga revisited

2012-08-22 Thread Andrew Latham
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:42 PM, David Hubbard wrote: > Of those who have used Quagga or Bird, or anything else, > would either of them be appropriate and/or well suited for > use as an iBGP blackhole route server? We currently > do blackholes via manual config on one of our real > routers but ar

RE: Bird vs Quagga revisited

2012-08-22 Thread David Hubbard
Of those who have used Quagga or Bird, or anything else, would either of them be appropriate and/or well suited for use as an iBGP blackhole route server? We currently do blackholes via manual config on one of our real routers but are wanting to add a software-based (on linux) system where we cou

Re: Bird vs Quagga revisited

2012-08-22 Thread Guillaume Barrot
Hello, I came across this site a few weeks ago http://code.google.com/p/google-quagga/source/list Seems that Google (or at least some Googlers) are working on quagga, or worked as the last update is tagged July 2011. Main difference I see between Quagga and Bird, is that it is now possible to ru

Re: Bird vs Quagga revisited

2012-08-22 Thread John Souter
On 22/08/12 06:19, Hank Nussbacher wrote: > ...Any feedback appreciated. I can't speak too highly of BIRD. Our use case is probably not completely typical, but our multilateral peering route servers have been hugely improved by switching to BIRD. Our two primary route servers, one for each LINX

Re: Bird vs Quagga revisited

2012-08-22 Thread Andy Davidson
On 22/08/12 06:19, Hank Nussbacher wrote: > Sorry to disrupt the bad cabling thread, but I'd like to revisit a > thread from 2 years ago. I have read over the NANOG presentations: > http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog48/presentations/Monday/Jasinska_RouteServer_N48.pdf > > http://www.nanog.org/mee

Bird vs Quagga revisited

2012-08-21 Thread Hank Nussbacher
Sorry to disrupt the bad cabling thread, but I'd like to revisit a thread from 2 years ago. I have read over the NANOG presentations: http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog48/presentations/Monday/Jasinska_RouteServer_N48.pdf http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog48/presentations/Monday/Filip_BIRD_fina