>> What is an "ebony phone"? (Google results for that phrase are mostly porn.)
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1950S-WESTERN-ELECTRIC-EBONY-BLACK-ROTARY-DIAL-DESK-TELEPHONE-/333465026527
at least the swedes knew basic arithmetic
On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 9:25 PM Ross Tajvar wrote:
>
> What is an "ebony phone"? (Google results for that phrase are mostly porn.)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1950S-WESTERN-ELECTRIC-EBONY-BLACK-ROTARY-DIAL-DESK-TELEPHONE-/333465026527
I agree, that's a form of porn.
#rule34
-chris
> On Sat, Mar
In article <24166.56720.929382.920...@gargle.gargle.howl> you write:
>I was thinking more in terms of millions of calls to congressional
>offices per day, not individual requests for action.
Who do you think has put the screws on the FCC to make STIR/SHAKEN happen?
In this case, “ebony phone” refers to the (usually) black housing of landline
phones, either dial or manual that your parents probably used for years. Caller
ID has long been supplied (for extra cost) to subscribers as a signal
interspersed with the ring signal.
The answer to “what about ebony
What is an "ebony phone"? (Google results for that phrase are mostly porn.)
On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 12:55 PM Christopher Morrow
wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 4:10 AM Bryan Holloway wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 3/7/20 8:03 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
> > > On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 11:05 PM Brian J.
On March 8, 2020 at 16:32 l...@satchell.net (Stephen Satchell) wrote:
> On 3/8/20 4:00 PM, b...@theworld.com wrote:
> > As I've said before what would likely work is if every time one of us
> > (in the US anyhow) got a junk call we immediately called our
> > congressional and/or senate
On Sun, 08 Mar 2020 17:17:37 -0400, b...@theworld.com said:
> Which primarily leaves the question of why this Kabuki theater by the
> FCC et al pretending as if it's some vast, uncontrollable evil like
> the corona virus etc.?
Because even in today's climate of regulatory capture posing as proper
On 3/8/20 4:00 PM, b...@theworld.com wrote:
As I've said before what would likely work is if every time one of us
(in the US anyhow) got a junk call we immediately called our
congressional and/or senate office(s) and simply said "just got
another junk call! (optionally add description.)"
I do the same, don't say anything when I pick up an unknown caller id
until they say something, they disconnect about half or more of the
time tho not always.
As I've said before what would likely work is if every time one of us
(in the US anyhow) got a junk call we immediately called our
Point taken.
On March 8, 2020 at 15:06 dam...@google.com (Damian Menscher) wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 2:18 PM wrote:
>
>
> It's really not analogous to most of the mass attacks on the net
> because the entire telco system is built to know who is using it in
> great
On 3/8/20 9:59 AM, Damian Menscher via NANOG wrote:
In the robocall case, there*is* something the end user can do to fight the
abuse: answer every call, and keep them on the line as long as possible.
They are paying for connected calls, for the connection duration, and for
the humans to scam
On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 2:18 PM wrote:
>
> It's really not analogous to most of the mass attacks on the net
> because the entire telco system is built to know who is using it in
> great detail.
>
You don't think transit providers bill their customers?
The analogy holds surprisingly well. Any
It's really not analogous to most of the mass attacks on the net
because the entire telco system is built to know who is using it in
great detail.
Have you ever made a billable call and *not* been billed for it?
If you're getting the same "Hi, this is from card holder
services" calls like
On March 7, 2020 at 14:54 s...@donelan.com (Sean Donelan) wrote:
>
> Has encryption ever solved scams/fraud/spam?
>
> Extended Validation SSL Certificates - Just pay a Certificate Authority
> more money
>
> DKIM signed email - Just pay a mail provider more money to blast email
>
>
On March 7, 2020 at 02:03 morrowc.li...@gmail.com (Christopher Morrow) wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 11:05 PM Brian J. Murrell
> wrote:
>
> > So, if my telco can bill the callers for those premium calls, they
> > surely know who they are, or at least know where they are sending the
>
m: "Damian Menscher via NANOG"
To: "Brian J. Murrell"
Cc: "NANOG mailing list"
Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2020 11:59:07 AM
Subject: Re: Chairman Pai Proposes Mandating STIR/SHAKEN To Combat Robocalls
On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 8:05 PM Brian J. Murrell < br...@inter
On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 8:05 PM Brian J. Murrell
wrote:
> On Fri, 2020-03-06 at 18:37 -0500, b...@theworld.com wrote:
> >
> > Why don't they just ask the phone companies who are billing these
> > robocallers who they are and we can arrest them.
>
> Exactly.
>
> I have always maintained that if my
Totally agree with you there, I run a mail server/monitoring server on OVH.
With TLSA records, DKIM, and MTA-STS, I’ll still see junk filters on it if I
accidentally email someone other than myself. Yes my space has been SWIP’d and
I send so low email volume so it’s reputation would be
Most DNS registers avoid verifying customer information as long as the
payment clears (for a short time). DKIM (and DNSSEC) is built on top of
trusting tokens from third-parties which disclaim all liability.
Right. The only promise that DKIM makes is that if you have a stream of
mail signed
On 3/7/20 3:53 PM, Sean Donelan wrote:
On Sat, 7 Mar 2020, John Levine wrote:
This must be some DKIM other than the one the IETF standardized and
every large mail provider uses to manage mail streams. There's no
CA's, you publish your own verification key in your DNS, and it costs
nothing
On Sat, 7 Mar 2020, John Levine wrote:
This must be some DKIM other than the one the IETF standardized and
every large mail provider uses to manage mail streams. There's no
CA's, you publish your own verification key in your DNS, and it costs
nothing beyond the software upgrades to use.
Most
In article you write:
>
>Has encryption ever solved scams/fraud/spam?
No, but signatures have helped so you can more easily identify known
friends and concentrate the analysis on the rest.
>DKIM signed email - Just pay a mail provider more money to blast email
This must be some DKIM other than
On 3/7/20 11:54 AM, Sean Donelan wrote:
Has encryption ever solved scams/fraud/spam?
Extended Validation SSL Certificates - Just pay a Certificate
Authority more money
DKIM signed email - Just pay a mail provider more money to blast email
SWIFT encrypted payments - Just find the weakest
Has encryption ever solved scams/fraud/spam?
Extended Validation SSL Certificates - Just pay a Certificate Authority
more money
DKIM signed email - Just pay a mail provider more money to blast email
SWIFT encrypted payments - Just find the weakest bank somewhere in the
world
On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 1:11 PM Michael Thomas wrote:
>
>
> On 3/7/20 9:53 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
> > On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 4:10 AM Bryan Holloway wrote:
> >>
> >> On 3/7/20 8:03 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 11:05 PM Brian J. Murrell
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>
On 3/7/20 9:53 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 4:10 AM Bryan Holloway wrote:
On 3/7/20 8:03 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 11:05 PM Brian J. Murrell wrote:
So, if my telco can bill the callers for those premium calls, they
surely know who they
On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 4:10 AM Bryan Holloway wrote:
>
>
> On 3/7/20 8:03 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 11:05 PM Brian J. Murrell
> > wrote:
> >
> >> So, if my telco can bill the callers for those premium calls, they
> >> surely know who they are, or at least know
In article ,
Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 11:05 PM Brian J. Murrell
wrote:
> So, if my telco can bill the callers for those premium calls, they
> surely know who they are, or at least know where they are sending the
> bill and getting payment from.
You are mistaken,
On 3/7/20 8:03 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 11:05 PM Brian J. Murrell wrote:
So, if my telco can bill the callers for those premium calls, they
surely know who they are, or at least know where they are sending the
bill and getting payment from.
You are mistaken,
On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 11:05 PM Brian J. Murrell wrote:
> So, if my telco can bill the callers for those premium calls, they
> surely know who they are, or at least know where they are sending the
> bill and getting payment from.
You are mistaken, billing is very hard.
Telcos show this
On Fri, 2020-03-06 at 18:37 -0500, b...@theworld.com wrote:
>
> Why don't they just ask the phone companies who are billing these
> robocallers who they are and we can arrest them.
Exactly.
I have always maintained that if my phone number were one of those
"premium" numbers (1-976 -- maybe I am
On March 6, 2020 at 17:34 s...@donelan.com (Sean Donelan) wrote:
>
> https://www.fcc.gov/document/chairman-pai-proposes-mandating-stirshaken-combat-robocalls
>
> Federal Communications Commission Chairman Ajit Pai today proposed a major
> step forward to further the FCC’s efforts to
Good luck supporting it on legacy TDM
switches. I know work-around exist, but nobody
wants to invest any money in modifying legacy gear.
At 05:34 PM 06/03/2020, Sean Donelan wrote:
https://www.fcc.gov/document/chairman-pai-proposes-mandating-stirshaken-combat-robocalls
Federal
On 3/6/20 2:34 PM, Sean Donelan wrote:
https://www.fcc.gov/document/chairman-pai-proposes-mandating-stirshaken-combat-robocalls
Federal Communications Commission Chairman Ajit Pai today proposed a
major step forward to further the FCC’s efforts to protect consumers
against
spoofed
https://www.fcc.gov/document/chairman-pai-proposes-mandating-stirshaken-combat-robocalls
Federal Communications Commission Chairman Ajit Pai today proposed a major
step forward to further the FCC’s efforts to protect consumers against
spoofed robocalls: new rules requiring implementation of
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