Re: Cost Recovery Surcharge & Va Personal Property Tax Recovery for IP Transit

2020-01-10 Thread Owen DeLong
> On Jan 6, 2020, at 07:53 , Christopher Morrow wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 10:30 AM William Herrin wrote: > >> If it's not written in to your contract, it's a breach of contract. Either >> way it's a deceitfully imposed surcharge, not a state tax. Virginia does not >> tax the sale o

Re: Cost Recovery Surcharge & Va Personal Property Tax Recovery for IP Transit

2020-01-09 Thread Brandon Martin
On 1/8/20 11:30 AM, William Herrin wrote: Did this tax change unpredictably, or am I still safe saying it's deceitful to add a fee for it on top of the advertised and contracted service price? IMO, there's no reason to expect this tax to be directly passed on to an end customer just like there

Re: Cost Recovery Surcharge & Va Personal Property Tax Recovery for IP Transit

2020-01-08 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 2:58 AM Rob Seastrom wrote: > It’s called “business tangible personal property tax”, and it’s technically > levied by the counties, not by the state (although authorized by the > legislature, as all local government activities must be in a Dillon’s Rule > state). > > Loud

Re: Cost Recovery Surcharge & Va Personal Property Tax Recovery for IP Transit

2020-01-08 Thread Rob Seastrom
 >> On Jan 6, 2020, at 10:30, William Herrin wrote: > >> - Va Personal Property Tax Recovery (1.8%) > If it's not written in to your contract, it's a breach of contract. Either > way it's a deceitfully imposed surcharge, not a state tax. Virginia does not > tax the sale of services like trans

Re: [E] Re: Cost Recovery Surcharge & Va Personal Property Tax Recovery for IP Transit

2020-01-07 Thread Siyuan Miao
It's in Reston (Fairfax County). On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 12:22 AM Eilers, Laura via NANOG wrote: > If your data center is in Ashburn, which is in Loudoun County, then the > servers inside are considered personal property and are taxed as such. They > explain it in the latter part of the article.

Re: [E] Re: Cost Recovery Surcharge & Va Personal Property Tax Recovery for IP Transit

2020-01-07 Thread Eilers, Laura via NANOG
If your data center is in Ashburn, which is in Loudoun County, then the servers inside are considered personal property and are taxed as such. They explain it in the latter part of the article. https://datacenterfrontier.com/the-data-center-dividend-tax-revenue-surges-in-loudoun-county/ Laura

Re: Cost Recovery Surcharge & Va Personal Property Tax Recovery for IP Transit

2020-01-06 Thread Matthew Petach
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 10:17 AM Tom Beecher wrote: > Both are quite likely to be negotiable. > > FCC Cost Recovery fees are the federally mandated ones they are allowed to > pass on to you. Most anything else named 'Cost Recovery' is optional, and > so named to try and confuse you into thinking i

Re: Cost Recovery Surcharge & Va Personal Property Tax Recovery for IP Transit

2020-01-06 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 1/6/20 9:21 AM, Tom Beecher wrote: "Property Tax Recovery" charges are also to my knowledge 100% optional fees. It's the carrier charging you a fee so they can pay their property taxes. Somehow, this sort of thing is legal. I mean, it's legal if someone signed an agreement that says they a

Re: Cost Recovery Surcharge & Va Personal Property Tax Recovery for IP Transit

2020-01-06 Thread Tom Beecher
Both are quite likely to be negotiable. FCC Cost Recovery fees are the federally mandated ones they are allowed to pass on to you. Most anything else named 'Cost Recovery' is optional, and so named to try and confuse you into thinking it's the mandatory stuff. "Property Tax Recovery" charges are

Re: Cost Recovery Surcharge & Va Personal Property Tax Recovery for IP Transit

2020-01-06 Thread Siyuan Miao
Tried again and failed again. Perhaps it's time to go to CoreSite directly and cancel the contract. > Cost Recovery Surcharge (CRS) is to recover costs charged to by the infrastructure providers to comply with government regulatory requirements and proceedings, including costs associated with adm

Re: Cost Recovery Surcharge & Va Personal Property Tax Recovery for IP Transit

2020-01-06 Thread Warren Kumari
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 10:54 AM Christopher Morrow wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 10:30 AM William Herrin wrote: > > > If it's not written in to your contract, it's a breach of contract. Either > > way it's a deceitfully imposed surcharge, not a state tax. Virginia does > > not tax the sale

Re: Cost Recovery Surcharge & Va Personal Property Tax Recovery for IP Transit

2020-01-06 Thread Eric Dugas
Had a similar issue where a provider would slap a ~10% "FCC Regulatory Surcharge" (not specified in the contract) on IP transit delivered in Canada. We spent multiple hours trying to resolve the issues. I ended up by de-peering from the three letter name company. They were the only one doing thi

Re: Cost Recovery Surcharge & Va Personal Property Tax Recovery for IP Transit

2020-01-06 Thread Siyuan Miao
I've checked my contract and there's a line: > If ’s costs to provide services to Customer increase due to reasons beyond ’s control, including annual escalations imposed by facility providers (often referred to as “Facility Cost Recovery Surcharges”), has the right to increase the fees paid by C

Re: Cost Recovery Surcharge & Va Personal Property Tax Recovery for IP Transit

2020-01-06 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 10:30 AM William Herrin wrote: > If it's not written in to your contract, it's a breach of contract. Either > way it's a deceitfully imposed surcharge, not a state tax. Virginia does not > tax the sale of services like transit and colo. More, the only personal > property

Re: Cost Recovery Surcharge & Va Personal Property Tax Recovery for IP Transit

2020-01-06 Thread William Herrin
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 6:40 AM Siyuan Miao wrote: > NANOG, > > We've recently signed contract of colocation + IP transit with a local > provider in Northern Virginia. > > Co-location services is okay but we found something unusual on our IP > transit invoices. > > - Va Personal Property Tax Recov

Re: Cost Recovery Surcharge & Va Personal Property Tax Recovery for IP Transit

2020-01-06 Thread Clayton Zekelman
It seems to me the cable companies started this long ago to account for various local taxes being levied upon them in different jurisdictions. They figured "why should someone in this county make us less money than someone in another county", so they leveled the field by breaking the taxes

Re: Cost Recovery Surcharge & Va Personal Property Tax Recovery for IP Transit

2020-01-06 Thread Brandon Martin
On 1/6/20 9:39 AM, Siyuan Miao wrote: - Va Personal Property Tax Recovery (1.8%) - Cost Recovery Surcharge (3%)? These sound like your typical BS "authorized fees" many carriers at all levels love to levy. They're basically attempting to itemize various regulatory (i.e. regulations they have

Cost Recovery Surcharge & Va Personal Property Tax Recovery for IP Transit

2020-01-06 Thread Siyuan Miao
NANOG, We've recently signed contract of colocation + IP transit with a local provider in Northern Virginia. Co-location services is okay but we found something unusual on our IP transit invoices. - Va Personal Property Tax Recovery (1.8%) - Cost Recovery Surcharge (3%)? We've talked with our