Re: Don't forget RFG (was: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election)
I feel as though I am reading an amalgamation of the sundry opinions rendered by US judges and Justices against such irreputable characters as Prenda Law and its shell companies. Bravo Ron. Bravo. But what do I know? I'm just a 20 year old 9th-grader. On Fri, 15 May 2020 12:10:49 -0700 "Ronald F. Guilmette" wrote: > I want to thank Joe Greco for his kind and generous > comments. That having been said, I'm not sure that I either should, > or even want to take credit for having kicked off *with a single message* > "a 100+-message flamefest on NANOG". That was not my intent, and it is > quite clear that those NANOG subscribers who are interested only in > operational matters rather wish I hadn't. > > I also feel compelled to state that the satisfying conclusion of the > RIPE NCC Executive Board election, as already reported here by > Terrence Koeman, most probably has relatively little to do with the > recent traffic on this list, and relatively more to do with the recent > traffic on the RIPE members-discuss list, where the candidate in > question displayed all of the same qualities of tact, diplomacy, and > generosity as he has recently displayed here. > > Then again, the results of the just-completed RIPE NCC Board election > may perhaps be even more properly ascribed, primarily, to the candidate's > novel approach to campaigning which, according to numerous credible > reports, apparently included the spamming of some large fraction of > the contact email addresses contained within the RIPE WHOIS data base > with his campaign pitch, including but not limited to varuious abuse@ > and noc@ addresses, some of which received multiple copies. (No word > yet on wether or not the candidate has threatened to sue his own campaign > manager over his subesquently sagging poll numbers.) > > Moving right along... > > As some of you may have noticed, I have sat silently while being viciously > and falsely maligned here, in multiple ways, by the (now former) candidate. > In response, I'd like to just state a couple of things briefly, once, and > for the record, in order to dispel any doubts that anyone may have > entertained. > > Firstly, I am not now, nor have I ever been an owner, shareholder, manager, > employee, agent, affiliate, client, or customer of Spamhaus. I have no > business connection to that organization of any kind, nor have I ever > had any such. Nor are either they or I contemplating any such for the > forseeable future. Any suggestion to the contrary has no basis in fact > and is quite simply delusional. Indeed, as anyone who has known me or > as anyone who has read what I have written over 20+ years of fighting > spam can attest, I am, if anything, a frequent critic of Spamhaus. I > have often gone on the record to assert my belief that that organization > is too cautious and conservative when meating out what I personally feel > would be just rewards to various provably irredeamable spammers and > cybercriminals. > > That having been said, the differences between myself and Spamhaus are > only ones of emphasis, not goals, and just like I do routinely with > innumerable other anti-spam and anti-cybercrime organizations, I do > maintain informal channels of communications with Spamhaus, as I also > do with a vast number of other such commercial and non-commercial > projects with similarly aligned goals. > > If my many industry contacts render me a sinister and malevolent agent > of some dark and secretive international cabal, then so be it. In that > case it would appear that I am not alone, at least judging by the broad > attendance of several hundred individuals and organizations at the last > M3AAWG meeting this past February in San Francisco. All of us are, in > our own ways, working together to keep the wires open and usable for > normal people. That goal is more important now, in the age of Covid-19, > than it ever has been. I do not and will not apologize in any way for > doing this important work, along with so many many others. Someone > must keep the lunatics from taking over the asylum and flooding it > with spam. That was true even before Covid-19, and it is even vastly > more true now. > > Second and lastly, I am neither a racist nor an antisemite. I will not > dignify these false, baseless, and defamatory allegations any further, > and I most assuredly feel no compulsion to request any of my many jewish > friends, nor any of my POC friends to come to my defense, especially as > I need none. > > These scurrilous allegations have been presented without evidence or > factual basis, and have been supported only by tortured distortions of > my actual words, disturbing attempts to unilaterally (and conveniently) > redefine the meaning of the already well-understood and well-defined > English word "race", and by unambiguously malicious innuendo. I see > no point in getting down and rolling around in the gutter on these points, > especially not with a man whose low regard
Re: Don't forget RFG (was: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election)
I want to thank Joe Greco for his kind and generous comments. That having been said, I'm not sure that I either should, or even want to take credit for having kicked off *with a single message* "a 100+-message flamefest on NANOG". That was not my intent, and it is quite clear that those NANOG subscribers who are interested only in operational matters rather wish I hadn't. I also feel compelled to state that the satisfying conclusion of the RIPE NCC Executive Board election, as already reported here by Terrence Koeman, most probably has relatively little to do with the recent traffic on this list, and relatively more to do with the recent traffic on the RIPE members-discuss list, where the candidate in question displayed all of the same qualities of tact, diplomacy, and generosity as he has recently displayed here. Then again, the results of the just-completed RIPE NCC Board election may perhaps be even more properly ascribed, primarily, to the candidate's novel approach to campaigning which, according to numerous credible reports, apparently included the spamming of some large fraction of the contact email addresses contained within the RIPE WHOIS data base with his campaign pitch, including but not limited to varuious abuse@ and noc@ addresses, some of which received multiple copies. (No word yet on wether or not the candidate has threatened to sue his own campaign manager over his subesquently sagging poll numbers.) Moving right along... As some of you may have noticed, I have sat silently while being viciously and falsely maligned here, in multiple ways, by the (now former) candidate. In response, I'd like to just state a couple of things briefly, once, and for the record, in order to dispel any doubts that anyone may have entertained. Firstly, I am not now, nor have I ever been an owner, shareholder, manager, employee, agent, affiliate, client, or customer of Spamhaus. I have no business connection to that organization of any kind, nor have I ever had any such. Nor are either they or I contemplating any such for the forseeable future. Any suggestion to the contrary has no basis in fact and is quite simply delusional. Indeed, as anyone who has known me or as anyone who has read what I have written over 20+ years of fighting spam can attest, I am, if anything, a frequent critic of Spamhaus. I have often gone on the record to assert my belief that that organization is too cautious and conservative when meating out what I personally feel would be just rewards to various provably irredeamable spammers and cybercriminals. That having been said, the differences between myself and Spamhaus are only ones of emphasis, not goals, and just like I do routinely with innumerable other anti-spam and anti-cybercrime organizations, I do maintain informal channels of communications with Spamhaus, as I also do with a vast number of other such commercial and non-commercial projects with similarly aligned goals. If my many industry contacts render me a sinister and malevolent agent of some dark and secretive international cabal, then so be it. In that case it would appear that I am not alone, at least judging by the broad attendance of several hundred individuals and organizations at the last M3AAWG meeting this past February in San Francisco. All of us are, in our own ways, working together to keep the wires open and usable for normal people. That goal is more important now, in the age of Covid-19, than it ever has been. I do not and will not apologize in any way for doing this important work, along with so many many others. Someone must keep the lunatics from taking over the asylum and flooding it with spam. That was true even before Covid-19, and it is even vastly more true now. Second and lastly, I am neither a racist nor an antisemite. I will not dignify these false, baseless, and defamatory allegations any further, and I most assuredly feel no compulsion to request any of my many jewish friends, nor any of my POC friends to come to my defense, especially as I need none. These scurrilous allegations have been presented without evidence or factual basis, and have been supported only by tortured distortions of my actual words, disturbing attempts to unilaterally (and conveniently) redefine the meaning of the already well-understood and well-defined English word "race", and by unambiguously malicious innuendo. I see no point in getting down and rolling around in the gutter on these points, especially not with a man whose low regard for the truth has already been made so abundantly clear and apparent to the subscribers of this very list. I will have nothing more to say about this, at least not in this forum. Regards, rfg
Don't forget RFG (was: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election)
On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 11:23:28AM +0200, Terrence Koeman via NANOG wrote: > FYI, the voting results for the three positions on the RIPE exec > board were just announced and Elad was NOT elected. https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2020 Congratulations to Maria H??ll, Raymond Jetten, and Christian Kaufmann on their election. I'm not familiar with any of them, but a quick search suggests that they are all eminently qualified. > No doubt we should thank the super illegal, criminal and anonymous > Spamhaus cabal as well as the super shady and corrupt IPv6 lobby > for manipulating this election from the shadows! Please don't forget the efforts of Ronald F. Guilmette. I may not agree with RFG on various things, but I applaud the tenacity he has always displayed, and the ability to instigate a 100+-message flamefest on NANOG that so clearly demonstrated important qualities about his target -- now archived in perpetuity. Ronald, thanks for this public service. Electing qualified board members to RIPE, etc., is important, especially in this era that sees things like the .ORG/PIR/ICANN debacle. I expect that it is also outside the charter of the list, but on the other hand, it isn't clear that there's a better place. These things are not operational or technical issues, but eventually do come to have an impact on operations. Regards, ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net "The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"-Asimov
