Source IP blocking makes up a large portion of today's spam arrest
approach,
so we shouldn't discount the CPU benefits of that approach too
quickly.
I'm not sure where today's technology is in regards for caching the
first 1
to 10kB of a sessiononce enough information is garnered to
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Cc: 'Christopher Morrow'; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Cloud service [was: RE: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address
reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs)]
Source IP blocking makes up a large portion of today's spam arrest
approach,
so we shouldn't discount
On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:03:20 -, Paul Vixie said:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
One could argue that the botnets for rent business model is in more
widespread use than either EC2 or gridserver...
I'm unclear whether that statement needs a smiley or not...
i'd say that since EC2 won't
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address reputation industry? (Re:
Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs)
snip
This is far different from free email Google or Hotmail - these cloud
services (EC2, Mosso, Slicehost, Terremark's Enterprise Cloud
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Andy Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 22 Jun 2008, at 17:17, Paul Vixie wrote:
with EC2, it's game-over for the IP reputation industry,
I was discussing this on an e-commerce practitioners list earlier today, and
argued basically that, from an abuse point
On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:38:16 EDT, William Herrin said:
Concur. From an address-reputation perspective EC2 is no different
than, say, China. Connections from China start life much closer to my
filtering threshold that connections from Europe because a far lower
percentage of the connections
with EC2, it's game-over for the IP reputation industry
Realistically speaking, did you not expect that to be inevitable?
i didn't, no. when i unknowingly launched the IP reputation industry back
in the mid 1990's, the risk i was managing was a spammer who planned to give
away free T1 lines
on Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 01:24:43PM -0500, Al Iverson wrote:
I'm not going to pretend I manage inbound mail service for
thousands-to-millions of users (as most of the participants of other
lists like SPAM-L are fond of imagining themselves), but I know enough
about how IP reputation systems
, June 23, 2008 9:16 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Cloud service [was: RE: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address
reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs)]
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Frank Bulk - iNAME [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote
: Re: Cloud service [was: RE: EC2 and GAE means end of ip address
reputation industry? (Re: Intrustion attempts from Amazon EC2 IPs)]
snip
dpi boxes from a number of vendors can do that sort of thing... whether
they can do it fast enough to be inline with your compute cloud is
another question
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Frank Bulk - iNAME [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ken:
Thanks for the info, but that still requires the domain owner to change
their MX records. I was wondering if there was something that could
literally be placed in the flow of traffic, like an FWSM in
hi andy.
with EC2, it's game-over for the IP reputation industry,
I was discussing this on an e-commerce practitioners list earlier today, and
argued basically that, from an abuse point of view, EC2 is the same as any
other bad neighborhood, and that operators needing to make impact fast,
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Andy Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 22 Jun 2008, at 17:17, Paul Vixie wrote:
with EC2, it's game-over for the IP reputation industry,
I was discussing this on an e-commerce practitioners list earlier today, and
argued basically that, from an abuse
From: Troy Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...
AWS already tracks VM instances and their internal IP allocations. They
recently added elastic IPs, which are assigned to a customer rather
than a specific instance. To the rest of the world, they're static IPs.
abusers don't have specific identities.
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008, Paul Vixie wrote:
it seems that amazon has succeeded where google and microsoft failed. with
e-mail only services like hotmail and gmail, it was still possible to treat
an IP address as having a reputation, and to therefore blackhole hotmail
and gmail (and other free
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Gibbard) writes:
...
So yeah, if big shared services that include important stuff aren't being
adequately policed, that's probably a problem for IP address reputation
services. But that's not really a new problem being introduced by EC2.
this may be an argument
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 1:13 AM, Steve Gibbard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Likewise, anybody blocking EC2 would miss out on whatever bad stuff might be
coming out of EC2, but would miss out on being able to access services
hosted there as well. Would they miss it more than they'd miss their
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On 23/06/2008, at 4:17 AM, Paul Vixie wrote:
as randy bush often says, it's just business. amazon has solid
business
reasons for creating EC2 and there's no way it could be profitable
if they
can't scale the user base, and there's no way to
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