Re: End to End testing

[Carsten Pettersson]

You could take a look at http://docs.perfsonar.net/install_hardware.html

http://docs.perfsonar.net/install_small_node_details.html

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> On 12 Dec 2019, at 15.53, Fawcett, Nick via NANOG  wrote:
> 
> Anyone have any suggestions on devices that I can put at two points in the 
> network to test packet loss, latency, jitter etc.  I was thinking of maybe 
> engineering my own using a couple of pi’s,  but the downfall is they don’t 
> have SFP ports.  I’m looking for something that’s portable and easy to 
> configure and drop in.  Thanks.
>  
> ~Nick
>  
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Re: End to End testing

[Saku Ytti]

On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 at 16:56, Fawcett, Nick via NANOG  wrote:

> Anyone have any suggestions on devices that I can put at two points in the 
> network to test packet loss, latency, jitter etc.  I was thinking of maybe 
> engineering my own using a couple of pi’s,  but the downfall is they don’t 
> have SFP ports.  I’m looking for something that’s portable and easy to 
> configure and drop in.  Thanks.

You may need to consider what are your requirements

a) how many PPS you want (that is, what is smallest outage you want to
be sure you know about?).
b) how often do you want to generate database row out of the probed packets
c) what probe-to-render delay you need, so when something happens,
when should it be visible in UX? (rapid time is useful for
troubleshooting, if you get feedback in seconds, many solutions have
very long time before results are visible)
d) what type of precision you need, does it need to be same for 1way and 2way
e) do you want to use only vendor stack, or do you also want to stream
the data to your own bigdata
f) do you want to use active probes and generate the packets you use
to measure or do you want have in-path devices to measure real
production traffic
g) do you need some solution to ECMP or are you content that your
measurement only sees one LAG/ECMP option across entire network
(almost no one has any solution here, and most networks these days
tend to balance every single link)


There are quite few solutions there, for me only active probes were
considered. Finance world seems to like in-path devices looking real
packets, but there you don't know intent, you don't know where the
packet was supposed to go, active probe knows that too.
I looked at every product I could find (googling, j-nsp, c-nsp, nanog,
finding vendors googling different combinations of vendors to find
more vendors). And ended up shortlisting Accedian, Netrounds and
Creanord, and out of those I'm not sure netrounds would have worked
for me, I'm pretty sure Accedian would have, but ended up going with
Creanord (CreaNode probes and Echovault UX/DB) with also Kafka
streaming to our own DB. We measure three QoS classes full mesh with
over 100 pops sending from every QoS class to every other pop every
10ms and uploading row of data every 10s. 2way precision is better
than 1us (so about 200m fiber length precision in measurements), 1way
is NTP limited so some hundreds of us.

Any solution you choose be sure you have plans on how to capitalise
and use the data. It is relatively easy to produce a lot of data, but
if you don't use it, it's a lot of money and effort wasted.

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RE: End to End testing

[Aaron Gould]

We use a lot of Accedian MetroNIDs for SLA monitoring…. For cell backhaul and 
some enterprise sites.

 

-Aaron 

 

Re: End to End testing

[James Bensley]

On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 at 14:55, Fawcett, Nick via NANOG  wrote:
>
> Anyone have any suggestions on devices that I can put at two points in the 
> network to test packet loss, latency, jitter etc.  I was thinking of maybe 
> engineering my own using a couple of pi’s,  but the downfall is they don’t 
> have SFP ports.  I’m looking for something that’s portable and easy to 
> configure and drop in.  Thanks.
>
>
>
> ~Nick

Hi Nick,

We've had great success with Exfo testers. They can be expensive if
you're a small shop, but they really do "just work". I've used many
open source tools, none of them compare to the Exfo's we have.

Cheers,
James.

Re: End to End testing

[Ben Bartsch]

+1 for Accedian

If you're looking for more of a homemade solution, I've used the perfSONAR
software suite on some cheap-ish servers running CentOS for 10gig testing.
It's highly configurable.  I had it set up to do scheduled tests so we
could see how the network behaved over time.  The results are logged and
displayed similar to PRTG / Nagios.  https://www.perfsonar.net/



On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 5:49 PM Owen DeLong  wrote:

> Fluke has some nice devices in this area.
>
> Owen
>
>
> On Dec 12, 2019, at 06:53 , Fawcett, Nick via NANOG 
> wrote:
>
> Anyone have any suggestions on devices that I can put at two points in the
> network to test packet loss, latency, jitter etc.  I was thinking of maybe
> engineering my own using a couple of pi’s,  but the downfall is they don’t
> have SFP ports.  I’m looking for something that’s portable and easy to
> configure and drop in.  Thanks.
>
> ~Nick
>
>
> --
> Checked by SOPHOS http://www.sophos.com
>
>
>

Re: End to End testing

[Owen DeLong]

Fluke has some nice devices in this area.

Owen


> On Dec 12, 2019, at 06:53 , Fawcett, Nick via NANOG  wrote:
> 
> Anyone have any suggestions on devices that I can put at two points in the 
> network to test packet loss, latency, jitter etc.  I was thinking of maybe 
> engineering my own using a couple of pi’s,  but the downfall is they don’t 
> have SFP ports.  I’m looking for something that’s portable and easy to 
> configure and drop in.  Thanks.
>  
> ~Nick
>  
> -- 
> Checked by SOPHOS http://www.sophos.com 

Re: End to End testing

[Yan Filyurin]

I had relatively little experience, but this may fit the requirement.

https://www.rad.com/products/Pluggable-PNFs-SFPs/MiNID-Ethernet-Demarcation-SFP 


There two other vendors that make something similar. 



Also this had positive feedback from some people. 

https://www.sproute.com/ 

And almost anything that markets as “SD-WAN”, but you may have to sort out 
through a lot of vendors. But some run on some pretty cheap under $200 devices. 
 



> On Dec 12, 2019, at 10:35 AM, Dovid Bender  wrote:
> 
> Are you looking to see what happens if latency is added? Have a look at  
> https://iwl.com/products-solutions/products/maxwell-pro 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 9:54 AM Fawcett, Nick via NANOG  > wrote:
> Anyone have any suggestions on devices that I can put at two points in the 
> network to test packet loss, latency, jitter etc.  I was thinking of maybe 
> engineering my own using a couple of pi’s,  but the downfall is they don’t 
> have SFP ports.  I’m looking for something that’s portable and easy to 
> configure and drop in.  Thanks.
> 
>  
> 
> ~Nick
> 
>  
> 
> -- 
> Checked by SOPHOS http://www.sophos.com 

Re: End to End testing

[Dovid Bender]

Are you looking to see what happens if latency is added? Have a look at
https://iwl.com/products-solutions/products/maxwell-pro



On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 9:54 AM Fawcett, Nick via NANOG 
wrote:

> Anyone have any suggestions on devices that I can put at two points in the
> network to test packet loss, latency, jitter etc.  I was thinking of maybe
> engineering my own using a couple of pi’s,  but the downfall is they don’t
> have SFP ports.  I’m looking for something that’s portable and easy to
> configure and drop in.  Thanks.
>
>
>
> ~Nick
>
>
>
> --
> Checked by SOPHOS http://www.sophos.com
>
>

Re: End to End testing

[Dan White]

We've used Accedian MetroNIDs to do this.

On 12/12/19 14:53 +, Fawcett, Nick via NANOG wrote:

Anyone have any suggestions on devices that I can put at two points in the 
network to test packet loss, latency, jitter etc.  I was thinking of maybe 
engineering my own using a couple of pi's,  but the downfall is they don't have 
SFP ports.  I'm looking for something that's portable and easy to configure and 
drop in.  Thanks.

~Nick


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End to End testing

[Fawcett, Nick via NANOG]

Anyone have any suggestions on devices that I can put at two points in the 
network to test packet loss, latency, jitter etc.  I was thinking of maybe 
engineering my own using a couple of pi's,  but the downfall is they don't have 
SFP ports.  I'm looking for something that's portable and easy to configure and 
drop in.  Thanks.

~Nick


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