Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-30 Thread Jonas Bjork
Dear Mr. Carpenter, Juniper is expensive. If you buy a new 48 x 10GbE/SFP+ fiberswitch from an H3C based vendor like Huawei, you get the whole unit for $10,000. All you need in addition to that are the lasers and these will set you back a hundred bucks per port in case you select 1310nm SFP+

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-30 Thread Bjørn Mork
"Alex Hargrove" writes: > I just purchased some empty Intel X520-DA2 cards and then picked up > the E10GSFPSR-compatible optics for them from Fiberstore. Note that this requirement is implemented in the driver. YMMV depending on OS, but in Linux you can disable it with

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-30 Thread Paul S.
>> I would kill for a 24-port 10GbE Juniper switch for ~$2,500. You can't even get a 24-port 1GbE for that. EX4200s are abundant for much less in Ebay (for the 24port 1g requirement). In the 10G space though, indeed, Juniper is expensive. On 1/30/2016 05:03 PM, Jonas Bjork wrote: Dear Mr.

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-30 Thread Colton Conor
ent Ethernet (EEE) support > >> > - Standard expected in September 2016 > >> > - Interfaces expected on the market in 2016 > >> > - Task Force web page http://www.ieee802.org/3/bz/ > >> > > >> > You might have seen my Ethernet speeds

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-29 Thread Tim Jackson
On Jan 29, 2016 6:29 AM, "Jared Mauch" wrote: > > SFP+ Copper Twinax is another option for 10G to save on the transceivers > > Not really. > > You can get 10G optics for sub-$10 and patch cords for cheap too, > so why spend >$50 on DAC cables when you can

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-29 Thread Jared Mauch
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:07:16PM -0600, Yang Yu wrote: > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Brandon Butterworth > wrote: > > > With 10G it's been the opposite, nobody was using copper so SFP+ is > > cheap. Only recently has copper 10G started to become common, a bit too >

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-29 Thread Alex Hargrove
> Then you have the issue of Intel NICs refusing to support any optical modules > that dont show up as Intel (and the associated work arounds, etc) I just purchased some empty Intel X520-DA2 cards and then picked up the E10GSFPSR-compatible optics for them from Fiberstore. I was worried about

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-28 Thread Matthew Newton
Hi, On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 04:52:59PM +0100, Baldur Norddahl wrote: > The standard 24 or 48 port SFP+ switch is 10 times the price of the > equivalent switch with 24 or 48 port SFP. The same is true for the optics. > > 2.5 and 4 Gbit/s SFP modules are available and cheap. It is just that >

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-28 Thread Baldur Norddahl
+0100 > From: Baldur Norddahl <baldur.nordd...@gmail.com> > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps > > Will we also get 2.5 Gbps fiber optics? SFP modules should support it? > > Regards > > Baldur > Den 27. jan. 2016 23.00 s

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-28 Thread Josh Reynolds
..@mindspring.com> >> >> -Original Message- >> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 01:51:06 +0100 >> From: Baldur Norddahl <baldur.nordd...@gmail.com> >> To: nanog@nanog.org >> Subject: Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps >> >> Will we also get 2.5

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-28 Thread Brandon Butterworth
> The standard 24 or 48 port SFP+ switch is 10 times the price of the > equivalent switch with 24 or 48 port SFP. The same is true for the optics. I never saw many cheap 48port 1U sfp switches as people bought copper at that speed so the ones that were around were relatively expensive. With 10G

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-28 Thread Brandon Butterworth
> > With 10G it's been the opposite, nobody was using copper so SFP+ is > > cheap. Only recently has copper 10G started to become common, a bit too > > late to be worth bothering with now and as there are no copper SFP+ > > Having new servers switch to copper instead of sfp is a nuisance > >

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-28 Thread Randy Carpenter
I wouldn't say that used or grey market really count as viable options. If we count that, I can get 1GbE for free. The reality is that for a unit that is supported (both software releases and warranty) properly for deployment in mission critical situations, 10GbE costs ~10x 1GbE. While the

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-28 Thread Alan Buxey
Um. You don't have an option for old copper plants. This stuff gives you 2.5gig or 5gig on cat5/cat5e (depending on distance). If you can do 10g you really shouldn't be carrying about this stuff. In the optical world just jump to using 10Gig (where you can) alan

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-28 Thread Jérôme Nicolle
Le 28/01/2016 01:51, Baldur Norddahl a écrit : > Will we also get 2.5 Gbps fiber optics? SFP modules should support it? Why wouldn't you go straight to 10G ? -- Jérôme Nicolle

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-28 Thread Tom Hill
On 28/01/16 09:44, Jérôme Nicolle wrote: > > Le 28/01/2016 01:51, Baldur Norddahl a écrit : >> > Will we also get 2.5 Gbps fiber optics? SFP modules should support it? > Why wouldn't you go straight to 10G ? The 2.5/5G standards were born *entirely* on the rationale that someone wanted to get

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-28 Thread Yang Yu
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Brandon Butterworth wrote: > With 10G it's been the opposite, nobody was using copper so SFP+ is > cheap. Only recently has copper 10G started to become common, a bit too > late to be worth bothering with now and as there are no copper SFP+

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-28 Thread Mike Hammett
.org Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 12:29:54 PM Subject: Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps I'd love to know what model Juniper you are getting for $102 per 10GbE port and where you are getting it. The lowest-end 10GbE switch is the EX4600, which lists at more like $850 per p

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-28 Thread joel jaeggli
On 1/28/16 10:29 AM, Randy Carpenter wrote: > > I'd love to know what model Juniper you are getting for $102 per > 10GbE port and where you are getting it. The lowest-end 10GbE switch > is the EX4600, which lists at more like $850 per port. You can get > higher-end ones with much larger port

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-28 Thread Randy Carpenter
I'd love to know what model Juniper you are getting for $102 per 10GbE port and where you are getting it. The lowest-end 10GbE switch is the EX4600, which lists at more like $850 per port. You can get higher-end ones with much larger port counts and get the cost/port down to about half that,

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-28 Thread Mike
On 01/28/2016 10:29 AM, Randy Carpenter wrote: I'd love to know what model Juniper you are getting for $102 per 10GbE port and where you are getting it. The lowest-end 10GbE switch is the EX4600, which lists at more like $850 per port. You can get higher-end ones with much larger port

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-28 Thread Greg Hankins
0 From: Baldur Norddahl <baldur.nordd...@gmail.com> To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps Will we also get 2.5 Gbps fiber optics? SFP modules should support it? Regards Baldur Den 27. jan. 2016 23.00 skrev "Greg Hankins" <ghank...@mindspring.com

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-27 Thread A . L . M . Buxey
Hi, > Fortunately the two groups came together in the IEEE, and there are no > competing standards. right! so why do both keep updating their own marketing and web pages each month? ;-) thanks for the info though - our future world isnt messed up for multigig > - Optional Energy Efficient

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-27 Thread Baldur Norddahl
t; > It's slightly out of date as the IEEE Interim was just last week. > > Greg > > -- > Greg Hankins <ghank...@mindspring.com> > > -Original Message- > Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 21:45:27 + > From: a.l.m.bu...@lboro.ac.uk > To: Justin Krejci <jkre...@usinter

Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-27 Thread Justin Krejci
I've a couple 10 port Cisco switches that support 2.5 and 5gbps over cat5e, just wondering if there are any other vendors out there with offerings that support these newer ethernet speeds. Supporting cat5e for these multi-gig speeds is a real boon in many circumstances given the wide popularity

RE: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-27 Thread Steve Mikulasik
To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps I've a couple 10 port Cisco switches that support 2.5 and 5gbps over cat5e, just wondering if there are any other vendors out there with offerings that support these newer ethernet speeds. Supporting cat5e for these multi-gig

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-27 Thread A . L . M . Buxey
Hi, > I've a couple 10 port Cisco switches that support 2.5 and 5gbps over cat5e, > just wondering if there are any other vendors out there with offerings that > support these newer ethernet speeds. Supporting cat5e for these multi-gig > speeds is a real boon in many circumstances given the

Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps

2016-01-27 Thread Greg Hankins
t;nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Equipment Supporting 2.5gbps and 5gbps Hi, > I've a couple 10 port Cisco switches that support 2.5 and 5gbps over cat5e, > just wondering if there are any other vendors out there with offerings that > support these newer ethernet spe