On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 09:54:28AM -0700, Michael Smith wrote:
It's really can reach versus how well can they reach. I can't any
provider that would have less than a full view of the DFZ but, if your
primary traffic is to Provider X, and one of your Tier 1's peers
locally and the other
+10 Good explanation.
This is a lot of why I have someone like Cogent/L3/etc and some random
transit provider in most of my pops I spec, plus a backhaul to another node.
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:37 PM, Richard A Steenbergen r...@e-gerbil.netwrote:
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 09:54:28AM -0700,
On 08/29/2013 07:43 PM, Blake Dunlap wrote:
+10 Good explanation.
This is a lot of why I have someone like Cogent/L3/etc and some random
transit provider in most of my pops I spec, plus a backhaul to another node.
...
One thing to keep in mind is that for major Tier 1s, it's not at all
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 08:25:41PM -0700, Luke S. Crawford wrote:
I have no idea how to solve this sort of problem automatically.
Ideally, if someone has a congested or down link, I'd prefer that they
not announce routes to that part of the internet, as I do have a
backup, but that isn't
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Joe Abley jab...@hopcount.ca wrote:
I would add:
- response you can expect when you call one day and say our 10GE is
maxed out with inbound traffic from apparently everywhere, it has been
going on for an hour, please help
That was good for a laugh.
If
* Richard Hesse
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Joe Abley jab...@hopcount.ca wrote:
- response you can expect when you call one day and say our 10GE is
maxed out with inbound traffic from apparently everywhere, it has been
going on for an hour, please help
That was good for a laugh.
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: Evaluating Tier 1 Internet providers
You should also consider who exactly your customers (or you alone) want to
reach. Are you mostly looking to connect to eyeball networks? Enterprise
networks? Government networks? If you have some
On Aug 27, 2013, at 5:11 PM, Eric Louie elo...@yahoo.com wrote:
Tier 1 = Internet backbone providers (United States - ATT, UUNET, Sprint,
AboveNet/Zayo, Cogent, Qwest/CenturyLink, L3/GBLX). However, I might be
better served with a Tier 2 for reachability as pointed out in another
You may
On 8/27/2013 5:04 PM, Ben Hatton wrote:
- time taken to turn around BGP import filter changes
So much This... You don't realize how important this is until your
nationwide provider takes 8 WEEKS to add one network to your (already set
up and working for 20 other networks) peering. Then
@nanog.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: Evaluating Tier 1 Internet providers
You should also consider who exactly your customers (or you alone) want to
reach. Are you mostly looking to connect to eyeball networks? Enterprise
networks? Government networks? If you have
Based on various conversation threads on Nanog I've come up with a few
criteria for evaluating Tier 1 providers. I'm open to add other criteria -
what would you add to this list? And how would I get a quantitative or
qualitative measure of it?
routing stability
BGP community offerings
On 2013-08-27, at 15:02, Eric Louie elo...@yahoo.com wrote:
Based on various conversation threads on Nanog I've come up with a few
criteria for evaluating Tier 1 providers. I'm open to add other criteria -
what would you add to this list? And how would I get a quantitative or
qualitative
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013, Eric Louie wrote:
Based on various conversation threads on Nanog I've come up with a few
criteria for evaluating Tier 1 providers. I'm open to add other criteria -
what would you add to this list? And how would I get a quantitative or
qualitative measure of it?
Define
On Aug 27, 2013, at 12:02 PM, Eric Louie elo...@yahoo.com wrote:
Based on various conversation threads on Nanog I've come up with a few
criteria for evaluating Tier 1 providers.
It's easy. Tier 1 is yourself. Tier 2 is your customers and your competitors.
Tier 3 is your customers'
: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 12:15 PM
To: Eric Louie
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Evaluating Tier 1 Internet providers
On 2013-08-27, at 15:02, Eric Louie elo...@yahoo.com wrote:
Based on various conversation threads on Nanog I've come up with a few
criteria for evaluating Tier 1 providers. I'm
Good stuff Justin - Any other criteria that you would use?
much appreciated,
Eric Louie
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From: Justin M. Streiner [mailto:strei...@cluebyfour.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:17 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Evaluating Tier 1 Internet providers
On Tue, 27
fits into.
jms
-Original Message-
From: Justin M. Streiner [mailto:strei...@cluebyfour.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:17 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Evaluating Tier 1 Internet providers
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013, Eric Louie wrote:
Based on various conversation threads
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 13:45:34 -0700, Eric Louie said:
That's a good point with the Tier 2 providers. So that begs the question,
why wouldn't I just get my upstream from a Tier 2? (Because my management
is under the perception that we're better off with Tier 1 providers, but
that doesn't mean
http://www.renesys.com/products/ provide some guidance, but probably not the
kind of detailed tech you want.
Judging from my own experience, we have mostly been hit by limited path
diversity everything seems fine support in the past.
--
Tassos
Eric Louie wrote on 27/8/2013 22:02:
Based on
service? Service level agreement (which is pretty much the same across all
the Tier 1's)?
much appreciated,
Eric Louie
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From: Justin M. Streiner [mailto:strei...@cluebyfour.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:17 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Evaluating Tier 1
[mailto:valdis.kletni...@vt.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 2:03 PM
To: Eric Louie
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Evaluating Tier 1 Internet providers
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 13:45:34 -0700, Eric Louie said:
That's a good point with the Tier 2 providers. So that begs the
question, why wouldn't I
appreciated,
Eric Louie
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From: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu [mailto:valdis.kletni...@vt.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 2:03 PM
To: Eric Louie
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Evaluating Tier 1 Internet providers
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 13:45:34 -0700, Eric Louie said
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013, Eric Louie wrote:
Tier 1 = Internet backbone providers (United States - ATT, UUNET, Sprint,
AboveNet/Zayo, Cogent, Qwest/CenturyLink, L3/GBLX). However, I might be
better served with a Tier 2 for reachability as pointed out in another
response.
Some of those providers
2:23 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Evaluating Tier 1 Internet providers
If you don't have secondary connectivity, then I don't suggest going with a
Teir 1. Using a peer-only as a transit link is not something I would
recommend in general unless you know what you are doing in that regard
To add some more from recent experiences.. Most of these are in colocation
datacenters.
- speed to handle your emergency support call. (recent experience, some
tier1 can take a couple hours)
- if support requires a portal opened ticket, is the staff to reset a
password also 24/7.
- Latency
-Original Message-
From: Justin M. Streiner [mailto:strei...@cluebyfour.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 10:36 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Evaluating Tier 1 Internet providers
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013, Eric Louie wrote:
I would also look at which providers are on-net
From: Bryan Socha [mailto:br...@serverstack.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 2:45 PM
To: Eric Louie; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Evaluating Tier 1 Internet providers
To add some more from recent experiences.. Most of these are in colocation
datacenters.
[EL] I'm colocated too
If this was previously mentioned, my apologies.
The time they can respond to a PNI upgrade. If you have an existing 10G and
wish to add another. Can this be provisioned off the same device to form a
LAG or can they only provide ECMP. May not be something you can evaluate at
contract signing, but
- speed to handle your emergency support call. (recent experience,
some tier1 can take a couple hours)
*[EL] * time to respond / time to resolve are good ones (hard to get
them to provide the true values, though)
Call and pretend your a customer with an emergency.You might be
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Eric Louie elo...@yahoo.com wrote:
Based on various conversation threads on Nanog I've come up with a few
criteria for evaluating Tier 1 providers. I'm open to add other criteria -
what would you add to this list?
Billing issues such as:
attitude during a
You should also consider who exactly your customers (or you alone) want to
reach. Are you mostly looking to connect to eyeball networks? Enterprise
networks? Government networks? If you have some target networks you should
do some due diligence to find out how well connected your various
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Eric Louie elo...@yahoo.com wrote:
Based on various conversation threads on Nanog I've come up with a few
criteria for evaluating Tier 1 providers. I'm open to add other criteria -
what would you add to this list?
BGP Peering relationships
Peering policy. A
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Evaluating Tier 1 Internet providers
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013, Eric Louie wrote:
Based on various conversation threads on Nanog I've come up with a few
criteria for evaluating Tier 1 providers. I'm open to add other
criteria - what would you add to this list
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013, Ben Hatton wrote:
- time taken to turn around BGP import filter changes
So much This... You don't realize how important this is until your
nationwide provider takes 8 WEEKS to add one network to your (already set
up and working for 20 other networks) peering. Then
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