Re: Followup: Survey results for the ARIN RPA

2014-12-09 Thread Alex Band
On 9 Dec 2014, at 00:31, Baldur Norddahl baldur.nordd...@gmail.com wrote: But that is just my ramblings. I am also warning that the RIPE tool already ignores ARIN. Anyone from RIPE will be ignoring you unless they go out of their way to fix it. My bet is therefore that ARIN is being

Re: Followup: Survey results for the ARIN RPA

2014-12-09 Thread John Curran
Alex - Thanks for sharing your observations from RPKI deployment in the RIPE region - it's very helpful for those trying to understand how RPKI might affect their operations. :-) Thanks again! /John On Dec 9, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Alex Band al...@ripe.net wrote: On 9 Dec 2014, at

Re: Followup: Survey results for the ARIN RPA

2014-12-08 Thread Baldur Norddahl
We signed our ROAs but we wont be validating anything from the ARIN region. I believe you will find this to be the norm. The tool provided by RIPE also ignores ARIN by default. Someone will probably tell me that I am being arrogant again, but basically you are asking me to help protect your

Re: Followup: Survey results for the ARIN RPA

2014-12-08 Thread Rubens Kuhl
One could easily presume the ARIN region RPKI deployment statistics are lower as a result of the RPA situation (and no doubt that it part of the issue), but as noted earlier, it's unlikely to be the full story since we also have a region (APNIC) where RPKI deployment also rather low that

Re: Followup: Survey results for the ARIN RPA

2014-12-08 Thread John Curran
On Dec 8, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.commailto:rube...@gmail.com wrote: One could easily presume the ARIN region RPKI deployment statistics are lower as a result of the RPA situation (and no doubt that it part of the issue), but as noted earlier, it's unlikely to be the full

Re: Followup: Survey results for the ARIN RPA

2014-12-08 Thread Mark Andrews
In message CAPkb-7DmELgaD0F=paxdjzupgi5vqp0pp8ysysl+gkxldmj...@mail.gmail.com , Baldur Norddahl writes: We signed our ROAs but we wont be validating anything from the ARIN region. I believe you will find this to be the norm. The tool provided by RIPE also ignores ARIN by default. Someone

Re: Followup: Survey results for the ARIN RPA

2014-12-08 Thread Baldur Norddahl
I care mostly about routes to destinations close to me. If someone steals a route from someone on other side of the world everyone will rightly assume it is the other guys having trouble. Plus we simply do not have much traffic there. On the other hand it adds up for the target if many

Followup: Survey results for the ARIN RPA

2014-12-07 Thread Andrew Gallo
There have been 28 response to the survey I put out last week. The key numbers are: We have read and will not sign the agreement 10 36% We are considering signing the agreement 1 4% We haven't yet read it 5 18% and Our legal staff has reviewed and rejected the agreement. 7 25% We

Re: Followup: Survey results for the ARIN RPA

2014-12-07 Thread Randy Bush
And there in lies my interest in all of this- there is little value in signing my org's routes if no one is going to validate them. It's a bit of an odd position in that I have a very high interest in what the rest of the community thinks of and how they act with respect to the RPA. In other

Re: Followup: Survey results for the ARIN RPA

2014-12-07 Thread John Curran
On Dec 7, 2014, at 9:40 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: And there in lies my interest in all of this- there is little value in signing my org's routes if no one is going to validate them. It's a bit of an odd position in that I have a very high interest in what the rest of the community

Re: Followup: Survey results for the ARIN RPA

2014-12-07 Thread Randy Bush
One could easily presume the ARIN region RPKI deployment statistics are lower as a result of the RPA situation (and no doubt that it part of the issue), but as noted earlier, it's unlikely to be the full story since we also have a region (APNIC) where RPKI deployment also rather low that and