Re: How long is your rack?

2011-08-16 Thread Charles N Wyble
On 08/16/2011 02:33 AM, Leigh Porter wrote: > > How do you guys find time for all this? I live in a smallish apartment that doesn't require much cleaning and have a room mate who handles all the errands/logistics in exchange for free rent and access to my awesome lab. Been doing this for a few y

Re: IPv6 Real World Maturity (was re: How long is your rack?)

2011-08-16 Thread Doug Barton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 08/14/2011 17:43, Tim Wilde wrote: > On a serious note, though, really, what DOES it say about the real-world > maturity / actual chances of adoption for IPv6 that Charles' statement > above is, in fact, true? Someone else has already pointed out

RE: How long is your rack?

2011-08-16 Thread Leigh Porter
> -Original Message- > From: Greg Ihnen [mailto:os10ru...@gmail.com] > Sent: 16 August 2011 11:57 > To: Leigh Porter > Cc: Bryan Irvine; Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX); nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: How long is your rack? > > > On Aug 16, 2011, at

Re: How long is your rack?

2011-08-16 Thread Greg Ihnen
On Aug 16, 2011, at 3:03 AM, Leigh Porter wrote: > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Bryan Irvine [mailto:sparcta...@gmail.com] >> Sent: 15 August 2011 17:42 >> To: Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX) >> Cc: nanog@nanog.org >> Subject: Re: How long

RE: How long is your rack?

2011-08-16 Thread Leigh Porter
> -Original Message- > From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com] > Sent: 16 August 2011 08:37 > To: Leigh Porter > Cc: North American Network Operators' Group > Subject: Re: How long is your rack? > > > I really do not want 18 months of research to vani

Re: How long is your rack?

2011-08-16 Thread Randy Bush
> I really do not want 18 months of research to vanish. a fool and his data are soon parted -- monty williams, a co-worker about 1990

RE: How long is your rack?

2011-08-16 Thread Leigh Porter
> -Original Message- > From: Bryan Irvine [mailto:sparcta...@gmail.com] > Sent: 15 August 2011 17:42 > To: Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX) > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: How long is your rack? > > On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM

Re: How long is your rack?

2011-08-15 Thread Scott Weeks
--- ra...@psg.com wrote: From: Randy Bush > I've always wondered if the next cisco/juniper 0 day will be delivered > via a set of exploits delivered via a link posted to NANOG. :) Maybe > I'll do a talk at DEFCON next year about that. : more likely a 'shortened' url. how anyone can click thos

Re: IPv6 Real World Maturity (was re: How long is your rack?)

2011-08-15 Thread Cameron Byrne
On Aug 15, 2011 2:15 PM, "Tim Wilde" wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 8/15/2011 2:24 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: > > What does it say that the same thing happens in IPv4? > > > > I really don't see a significant difference in that regard. > > I will admit to not having

Re: IPv6 Real World Maturity (was re: How long is your rack?)

2011-08-15 Thread Owen DeLong
On Aug 15, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Tim Wilde wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 8/15/2011 2:24 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: >> What does it say that the same thing happens in IPv4? >> >> I really don't see a significant difference in that regard. > > I will admit to not having

Re: How long is your rack?

2011-08-15 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 11:37:37AM -0400, Randy Bush wrote: > >> more likely a 'shortened' url. how anyone can click those is beyond > >> me. > > I'm curious what your objection is. > > i have no assurance that a shortened url does not lead to a malicious > site. also your privacy issue, but tha

Re: IPv6 Real World Maturity (was re: How long is your rack?)

2011-08-15 Thread Tim Wilde
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/15/2011 2:24 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: > What does it say that the same thing happens in IPv4? > > I really don't see a significant difference in that regard. I will admit to not having run the numbers and trying to compare IPv4 protocol-specific d

Re: How long is your rack?

2011-08-15 Thread Bryan Irvine
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX) wrote: > I hope someone will explain the operational relevance > of this ... > > Sun V100         FreeBSD firewall/border gateway > Sun V100         Plan 9 kernel porting test bed > Sun V100         OpenBSD build/test/port box > Int

Re: How long is your rack?

2011-08-15 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 8/15/2011 8:37 AM, Randy Bush wrote: i have no assurance that a shortened url does not lead to a malicious site. From a practical standpoint, a long URL provides no greater assurance. you really have no idea what you're going to receive when you click on any link. life is nasty. but

Re: How long is your rack?

2011-08-15 Thread Randy Bush
>> more likely a 'shortened' url. how anyone can click those is beyond >> me. > I'm curious what your objection is. i have no assurance that a shortened url does not lead to a malicious site. also your privacy issue, but that is secondary. > you really have no idea what you're going to receive

Re: How long is your rack?

2011-08-15 Thread Steven Bellovin
On Aug 15, 2011, at 10:12 21AM, Randy Bush wrote: >> I've always wondered if the next cisco/juniper 0 day will be delivered >> via a set of exploits delivered via a link posted to NANOG. :) Maybe >> I'll do a talk at DEFCON next year about that. > > more likely a 'shortened' url. how anyone can

Re: How long is your rack?

2011-08-15 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 10:12:21AM -0400, Randy Bush wrote: > more likely a 'shortened' url. how anyone can click those is beyond me. http://longurl.org/ -- Leo Bicknell - bickn...@ufp.org - CCIE 3440 PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/ pgpEKbzQacqye.

Re: How long is your rack?

2011-08-15 Thread Randy Bush
> I've always wondered if the next cisco/juniper 0 day will be delivered > via a set of exploits delivered via a link posted to NANOG. :) Maybe > I'll do a talk at DEFCON next year about that. more likely a 'shortened' url. how anyone can click those is beyond me. randy

Re: IPv6 Real World Maturity (was re: How long is your rack?)

2011-08-14 Thread Charles N Wyble
On 08/14/2011 07:43 PM, Tim Wilde wrote: > On 8/14/2011 8:36 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: > > > Yes, they prove that IPv6 is not a viable technology as it currently > stands and we should be working on the next big thing, of course! > IPv42, here I come! :) It certainly is being debated back and fo

Re: IPv6 Real World Maturity (was re: How long is your rack?)

2011-08-14 Thread Owen DeLong
On Aug 14, 2011, at 5:43 PM, Tim Wilde wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 8/14/2011 8:36 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: >> Can someone explain the operational relevance of the never ending v6 >> threads that are the EXACT SAME ARGUMENTS over and over and over >> again?

Re: How long is your rack?

2011-08-14 Thread Charles N Wyble
On 08/14/2011 05:45 PM, Joe Greco wrote: > I don't know, but 50 people had snarfed the picture I posted within > 30 minutes, a few hundred have by now, and it's the weekend. Yes. Exactly. I'll start my more operational focused threads on Monday. Plus Randy started a personal backups thread. I need

Re: IPv6 Real World Maturity (was re: How long is your rack?)

2011-08-14 Thread Paul Graydon
On 8/14/2011 2:43 PM, Tim Wilde wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/14/2011 8:36 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: Can someone explain the operational relevance of the never ending v6 threads that are the EXACT SAME ARGUMENTS over and over and over again? :) Yes, they prove that

IPv6 Real World Maturity (was re: How long is your rack?)

2011-08-14 Thread Tim Wilde
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/14/2011 8:36 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: > Can someone explain the operational relevance of the never ending v6 > threads that are the EXACT SAME ARGUMENTS over and over and over > again? :) Yes, they prove that IPv6 is not a viable technology as

Re: How long is your rack?

2011-08-14 Thread Charles N Wyble
On 08/14/2011 03:49 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX) wrote: > I hope someone will explain the operational relevance > of this ... Small home compute centers/networks need care and feeding as well. I've learned a lot from this thread. Things like common designs/layouts, cooling, POE switches et

Re: How long is your rack?

2011-08-14 Thread Joe Greco
> I hope someone will explain the operational relevance > of this ... I don't know, but 50 people had snarfed the picture I posted within 30 minutes, a few hundred have by now, and it's the weekend. Fun. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net "We cal

How long is your rack?

2011-08-14 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
I hope someone will explain the operational relevance of this ... Sun V100 FreeBSD firewall/border gateway Sun V100 Plan 9 kernel porting test bed Sun V100 OpenBSD build/test/port box Intel 8-core Solaris fileserver and zones host AMDx4Random OS workstation