Re: How our young colleagues are being educated....

2015-01-06 Thread Wayne E Bouchard
On Mon, Jan 05, 2015 at 08:40:52AM -0600, John Kristoff wrote: > On Thu, 25 Dec 2014 19:21:34 -0500 > Miles Fidelman wrote: > > > Cisco as the basis of networking material? Does nobody use Comer, > > Stallings, or Tannenbaum as basic texts anymore? > > I currently use a Comer book. I've also u

Re: How our young colleagues are being educated....

2015-01-05 Thread John Kristoff
On Thu, 25 Dec 2014 19:21:34 -0500 Miles Fidelman wrote: > Cisco as the basis of networking material? Does nobody use Comer, > Stallings, or Tannenbaum as basic texts anymore? I currently use a Comer book. I've also used a Tannenbaum book in the past, but not recently. My favorite book, when

Re: How our young colleagues are being educated....

2014-12-26 Thread Måns Nilsson
Subject: Re: How our young colleagues are being educated Date: Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 02:56:40AM -0500 Quoting William Herrin (b...@herrin.us): > In the real world you often assign a /32 to a loopback address on each > router and make all of the serial interfaces borrow that addre

Re: How our young colleagues are being educated....

2014-12-25 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Mike Jones wrote: > As for the content.. a scalable network is one > you can add hosts to, so what's a non-scalable network? will the > building collapse if i plug my laptop in? Hi Mike, A few starting points for interesting insight: https://bill.herrin.us/netwo

Re: How our young colleagues are being educated....

2014-12-25 Thread Laurent Dumont
Merry Christmas! (Even if slightly late...) I absolutely agree. The certification by itself doesn't prove much beyond a passing interest in networking and an ability to retain a fair amount of information. I suspect it's mostly a question of creating some kind of standard to judge applicants.

Re: How our young colleagues are being educated....

2014-12-25 Thread Alain Hebert
Well let start with: Happy Holidays. In my line of work anyone with a CCNA get put at the bottom of the pile =D We're looking for proactive associates and found that applicants which present themselves as a CCNA engineer foremost are only just that: Someone that could follow the course and bother

Re: How our young colleagues are being educated....

2014-12-25 Thread Laurent Dumont
The Cisco "Networking Academy" program was used throughout my "CEGEP"(End of high-school/first college year equivalent in the US) education in Quebec. There was no deviation from the course work and the aim was to get the student CCNA certified at the end. On 12/25/2014 7:21 PM, Miles Fidelman

Re: How our young colleagues are being educated....

2014-12-25 Thread Miles Fidelman
an X.75 telnet gateway at DNIC 3106 gave me practical experience. Historical references in a nutshell; even in today's coursework IMO are still relevant. ./Randy - Original Message - From: Miles Fidelman To: Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 4:

Re: How our young colleagues are being educated....

2014-12-25 Thread Miles Fidelman
Well... to be accurate, and just a tad pedantic, the basis for TCP/IP is: "A Protocol for Packet Network Intercommunication," Vinton G. Cerf & Robert E. Kahn, IEEE Trans on Comms, Vol Com-22, No 5 May 1974 Miles Fidelman Grant Ridder wrote: I used Stallings a couple years ago. Cisco is not th

Re: How our young colleagues are being educated....

2014-12-25 Thread Grant Ridder
I used Stallings a couple years ago. Cisco is not the basis of networking. It is the basis for TCP/IP. -Grant On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Cisco as the basis of networking material? Does nobody use Comer, > Stallings, or Tannenbaum as basic texts anymore? > > Miles

Re: How our young colleagues are being educated....

2014-12-25 Thread Miles Fidelman
Cisco as the basis of networking material? Does nobody use Comer, Stallings, or Tannenbaum as basic texts anymore? Miles Fidelman Mike Jones wrote: I am a university student that has just completed the first term of the first year of a Computer Systems and Networks course. Apart from a really

Re: How our young colleagues are being educated....

2014-12-25 Thread Mike Jones
I am a university student that has just completed the first term of the first year of a Computer Systems and Networks course. Apart from a really out of place MATH module that did trig but not binary, it has been reasonably well run so far. The binary is covered in a different module, just not math

Re: How our young colleagues are being educated....

2014-12-25 Thread Måns Nilsson
Subject: Re: How our young colleagues are being educated Date: Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 11:40:48AM -0500 Quoting Scott Morris (s...@emanon.com): > Now, as a side, one problem that I often have with various academic-based > courses is that the people who teach them often don¹t have enough

Re: How our young colleagues are being educated....

2014-12-24 Thread Louis
As a student I feel particularly concerned about this. Le 22/12/2014 10:13, Javier J a écrit : > Not only are they skimming over new technologies such as BGP, MPLS and the > fundamentals of TCP/IP that run the internet and the networks of the world, > they were focusing on ATM , Frame Relay and ot

Re: How our young colleagues are being educated....

2014-12-24 Thread Scott Morris
networking subjects! Scott -Original Message- From: Dennis Bohn Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 at 2:40 PM To: Ken Chase Cc: Subject: Re: How our young colleagues are being educated >On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Ken Chase wrote: > >> Learning how to do CIDR math is

Re: How our young colleagues are being educated....

2014-12-24 Thread Jean-Francois Mezei
On 14-12-22 04:13, Javier J wrote: > Not only are they skimming over new technologies such as BGP, MPLS and the > fundamentals of TCP/IP that run the internet and the networks of the world, > they were focusing on ATM , Frame Relay and other technologies that are on > their way out My first reac

RE: How our young colleagues are being educated....

2014-12-23 Thread Phil Bedard
Kyle" Sent: ‎12/‎23/‎2014 10:40 AM To: "Javier J" Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" Subject: Re: How our young colleagues are being educated In addition to my "9 to 5" job of network engineer, I teach evening courses at a US community college (for you non-USers, it'

Re: How our young colleagues are being educated....

2014-12-23 Thread Scott Voll
To: "Javier J" > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 9:38:02 AM > Subject: Re: How our young colleagues are being educated > > In addition to my "9 to 5" job of network engineer, I teach evening courses > at a US community colle

Re: How our young colleagues are being educated....

2014-12-23 Thread Edward Lewis
Last time I taught, I lectured (senior-level 3-credit elective) on calculating the efficiency of Ethernet and why it was no good above 10Mbps. On Dec 23, 2014, at 15:29, Mike Hammett wrote: > At the time, though, Ethernet belonged within a building. If you were wanting > to connect multiple bu

Re: How our young colleagues are being educated....

2014-12-23 Thread Mike Hammett
buildings together, bust out those T1s. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Kyle Kinkaid" To: "Javier J" Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 9:38:02 AM Subject: Re: How our

RE: How our young colleagues are being educated....

2014-12-23 Thread Matt Karney
reas accounting is going to be pretty much the same anywhere, just with some different applications used potentially. -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Kinkaid, Kyle Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 10:38 AM To: Javier J Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject

Re: How our young colleagues are being educated....

2014-12-23 Thread Dennis Bohn
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Ken Chase wrote: > Learning how to do CIDR math is a major core component of the coursework? > Im > thinking that this is about a 30 minute module in the material, once you > know > binary, powers of 2 and some addition and subtraction (all of which is > taught >

Re: How our young colleagues are being educated....

2014-12-23 Thread Kinkaid, Kyle
In addition to my "9 to 5" job of network engineer, I teach evening courses at a US community college (for you non-USers, it's a place for the first 2-years of post-secondary education, typically before proceeding to a full 4-year university). The community college I work at participates in the Ci

Re: How our young colleagues are being educated....

2014-12-22 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 15:31:52 -0500, Ken Chase said: > Why is CIDR such an important coursework component? Or is it just a shibboleth It's partially like a brown M&M backstage at a Van Halen concert - if their coursework was so pitifully out of date it wasn't covered, you better start wondering wh

Re: How our young colleagues are being educated....

2014-12-22 Thread Ken Chase
Learning how to do CIDR math is a major core component of the coursework? Im thinking that this is about a 30 minute module in the material, once you know binary, powers of 2 and some addition and subtraction (all of which is taught in most schools by when, first year highschool?) you should be don

Re: How our young colleagues are being educated....

2014-12-22 Thread Sadiq Saif
On 12/22/2014 11:11, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > Did the standard packaged Cisco curriculum finally drop mention of > "Class A/B/C" and go CIDR? For the most part yes. They still reference it for historical purposes but otherwise it is all VLSM/CIDR. -- Sadiq Saif

Re: How our young colleagues are being educated....

2014-12-22 Thread Florian Weimer
* Valdis Kletnieks: > On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 04:13:42 -0500, Javier J said: > >> student graduates. They are teaching classful routing and skimming over >> CIDR. Is this indicative of the state of our education system as a whole? > > Did the standard packaged Cisco curriculum finally drop mention of

Re: How our young colleagues are being educated....

2014-12-22 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 4:13 AM, Javier J wrote: > Not only are they skimming over new technologies such as BGP, MPLS and the > fundamentals of TCP/IP that run the internet and the networks of the world, > they were focusing on ATM , Frame Relay and other technologies that are on > their way out

Re: How our young colleagues are being educated....

2014-12-22 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 04:13:42 -0500, Javier J said: > student graduates. They are teaching classful routing and skimming over > CIDR. Is this indicative of the state of our education system as a whole? Did the standard packaged Cisco curriculum finally drop mention of "Class A/B/C" and go CIDR?

RE: How our young colleagues are being educated....

2014-12-22 Thread Shaw, Matthew
end up like this. Matthew Shaw -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of William Herrin Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 6:54 AM To: Javier J Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: How our young colleagues are being educated On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 4:13 AM, Javie

Re: How our young colleagues are being educated....

2014-12-22 Thread William Herrin
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 4:13 AM, Javier J wrote: > I recently ran into a student of Southern New Hampshire University enrolled > in the Networking/Telecom Management course and was shocked by what I > learned. > > Am I crazy? Am I ranting? Doesn't this need to be addressed? …..and if not > by us,

Re: How our young colleagues are being educated....

2014-12-22 Thread Daniël W . Crompton
*shameless plug* Usually not a topic for this list, and together with two co-founders we started an online university last to address some of the issues we saw with higher education. We currently have approval from the state of Vermont to give college credit, credits earned through Oplerno courses

Re: How our young colleagues are being educated....

2014-12-22 Thread Måns Nilsson
Subject: How our young colleagues are being educated Date: Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 04:13:42AM -0500 Quoting Javier J (jav...@advancedmachines.us): > Dear NANOG Members, > > It has come to my attention, that higher learning institutions in North > America are doing our young future

How our young colleagues are being educated....

2014-12-22 Thread Javier J
Dear NANOG Members, It has come to my attention, that higher learning institutions in North America are doing our young future colleagues a disservice. I recently ran into a student of Southern New Hampshire University enrolled in the Networking/Telecom Management course and was shocked by what I