Re: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addres ses

2010-10-22 Thread Jack Bates
On 10/22/2010 7:12 AM, Ray Soucy wrote: The design of IPv6 is that DHCPv6 and RA work together. This is why there is no method to express the default gateway using DHCPv6, that task is handled by the RA. I suppose you could run DHCPv6 on a subnet to give hosts addresses but never give them a de

Re: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addres ses

2010-10-21 Thread Jack Bates
On 10/21/2010 8:39 PM, Ray Soucy wrote: How so? We still have RA (with a high priority) that's the only way DHCPv6 works. I guess there is a lot of misunderstanding about how DHCPv6 works, even among the experts... Actually, the last I checked, there are implementation of DHCPv6 without RA.

Re: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addres ses

2010-10-21 Thread Brandon Ross
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010, Graham Beneke wrote: On 21/10/2010 03:49, Matthew Kaufman wrote: On 10/20/2010 5:51 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: Part 2 will be when the first provider accepts a large sum of money to route it within their public network between multiple sites owned by the same customer. Is t

Re: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addres ses

2010-10-21 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 10/21/2010 12:57 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: On Oct 20, 2010, at 6:46 PM, Matthew Kaufman wrote: On 10/20/2010 6:20 PM, Mark Smith wrote: To make it clear, as it seems to be quite misunderstood, you'd have both ULA and global addressing in your network. Right. Just like to multihome with IPv6 y

Re: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addres ses

2010-10-20 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 10/20/2010 9:30 PM, Graham Beneke wrote: Someone insisted to me yesterday the RFC1918-like address space was the only way to provide a 'friendly' place for people to start their journey in playing with IPv6. I think that the idea of real routable IPs on a lab network daunts many people. I

Re: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addres ses

2010-10-20 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <4cbfc1d0.60...@apolix.co.za>, Graham Beneke writes: > On 21/10/2010 02:41, Owen DeLong wrote: > > On Oct 20, 2010, at 5:21 PM, Jeroen van Aart wrote: > >> Someone advised me to use GUA instead of ULA. But since for my purposes th > is is used for an IPv6 LAN would ULA not be the better

Re: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addres ses

2010-10-20 Thread Graham Beneke
On 21/10/2010 03:49, Matthew Kaufman wrote: On 10/20/2010 5:51 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: Part 2 will be when the first provider accepts a large sum of money to route it within their public network between multiple sites owned by the same customer. Is this happening now with RFC 1918 addresses an

Re: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addres ses

2010-10-20 Thread Graham Beneke
On 21/10/2010 02:41, Owen DeLong wrote: On Oct 20, 2010, at 5:21 PM, Jeroen van Aart wrote: Someone advised me to use GUA instead of ULA. But since for my purposes this is used for an IPv6 LAN would ULA not be the better choice? IMHO, no. There's no disadvantage to using GUA and I personally

Re: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addres ses

2010-10-20 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <4cbfa9bb.9030...@matthew.at>, Matthew Kaufman writes: > ULA + PA can have the same problems, especially if your ULA is > inter-organization ULA, which was one of the cases under discussion. Which still isn't a problem. Presumably you want your inter-organization traffic to use ULA a

Re: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addres ses

2010-10-20 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 10/20/2010 7:27 PM, Mark Smith wrote: * Stream Control Transport Protocol, first spec'd in 2000 (couldn't be deployed widely in IPv4 because of NATs) "because of NATs" s/b "because certain parties refused to acknowledge that encapsulation of SCTP in UDP would have operational advantages

Re: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addres ses

2010-10-20 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 10/20/2010 7:22 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: In message<4cbf9b7a.1000...@matthew.at>, Matthew Kaufman writes: On 10/20/2010 6:20 PM, Mark Smith wrote: To make it clear, as it seems to be quite misunderstood, you'd have both ULA and global addressing in your network. Right. Just like to multihome

Re: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addres ses

2010-10-20 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 10/20/2010 7:15 PM, James Hess wrote: Perhaps one day, there will be a truly reliable transport protocol, and an API that allows a bind() against multiple IPs and a connect() to all a target host's IPs instead of just one, so both hosts can learn of each other's IP addresses that are offe

Re: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addres ses

2010-10-20 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <4cbf9b7a.1000...@matthew.at>, Matthew Kaufman writes: > On 10/20/2010 6:20 PM, Mark Smith wrote: > > > > To make it clear, as it seems to be quite misunderstood, you'd have > > both ULA and global addressing in your network. > > Right. Just like to multihome with IPv6 you would have b

Re: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addres ses

2010-10-20 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 10/20/2010 5:51 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: Part 2 will be when the first provider accepts a large sum of money to route it within their public network between multiple sites owned by the same customer. Is this happening now with RFC 1918 addresses and IPv4? Part 3 will be when that same provi

Re: IPv6 fc00::/7 — Unique local addres ses

2010-10-20 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 10/20/2010 6:20 PM, Mark Smith wrote: To make it clear, as it seems to be quite misunderstood, you'd have both ULA and global addressing in your network. Right. Just like to multihome with IPv6 you would have both PA addresses from provider #1 and PA addresses from provider #2 in your netw