RE: IPv6 is on the marketers radar

2011-02-15 Thread Frank Bulk
, 2011 3:57 AM To: Michael Dillon Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: IPv6 is on the marketers radar - Original Message - From: Michael Dillon wavetos...@googlemail.com To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Monday, 14 February, 2011 10:37:51 AM Subject: Re: IPv6 is on the marketers radar It's bad

Re: IPv6 is on the marketers radar

2011-02-14 Thread Franck Martin
- Original Message - From: Michael Dillon wavetos...@googlemail.com To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Monday, 14 February, 2011 10:37:51 AM Subject: Re: IPv6 is on the marketers radar It's bad that home gateways need replacing It's not neccessarily bad. There are a lot of older devices

Re: IPv6 is on the marketers radar

2011-02-14 Thread Jeff Hartley
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Fred Baker f...@cisco.com wrote: On Feb 11, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Franck Martin wrote: http://www.marketingvox.com/under-the-microscope-what-the-end-of-ipv4-means-for-marketers-048657/ I can hear people, say oh no Interesting to see that marketers do not

Re: IPv6 is on the marketers radar

2011-02-14 Thread Daniel Roesen
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 10:59:35AM -0500, Jeff Hartley wrote: It will certainly be entertaining to see what behaviors the various CPEs default to on the public-facing side. In the NetGear WNDR3700's case after upgrading its firmware, options were included for: Disabled (default)

Re: IPv6 is on the marketers radar

2011-02-14 Thread Blake Dunlap
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 15:52, Dorn Hetzel d...@hetzel.org wrote: p.s. with apologies to any honest marketers. All 2 of you.. What's the difference between a used car salesman and a network equipment salesman? The used care salesman knows when he's lying to you :) The required

Re: IPv6 is on the marketers radar

2011-02-14 Thread Mark Andrews
In message AANLkTikXoLx1fsimoKx=hntovubwdadnktmwcb-84...@mail.gmail.com, Jeff Hartley writes: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Fred Baker f...@cisco.com wrote: On Feb 11, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Franck Martin wrote: http://www.marketingvox.com/under-the-microscope-what-the-end-of-ipv4-me=

Re: IPv6 is on the marketers radar

2011-02-14 Thread Jeff Hartley
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote: It will certainly be entertaining to see what behaviors the various CPEs default to on the public-facing side.  In the NetGear WNDR3700's case after upgrading its firmware, options were included for:   Disabled (default)  

Re: IPv6 is on the marketers radar

2011-02-14 Thread Mark Andrews
In message aanlktiktypauvasesnr0reotakfi_ff5xy5jm-j-w...@mail.gmail.com, Jeff Hartley writes: On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote: It will certainly be entertaining to see what behaviors the various CPEs default to on the public-facing side. =A0In the NetGear

RE: IPv6 is on the marketers radar

2011-02-13 Thread Lee Howard
From: Geert Bosch [mailto:bo...@adacore.com] Basically, it should not have to cost anything extra to set up new users for IPv6. The same hardware that handles IPv4 today can be programmed to do IPv6. That is not the case for a significant number of home gateways and other consumer

Re: IPv6 is on the marketers radar

2011-02-13 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 000901cbcb22$3cf978a0$b6ec69e0$@org, Lee Howard writes: -Original Message- From: Geert Bosch [mailto:bo...@adacore.com] Honestly, I can't quite see the big deal for home users. I'm using an Apple Airport Extreme, and setting it up with a IPv6 tunnel from $150?

Re: IPv6 is on the marketers radar

2011-02-13 Thread Michael Dillon
It's bad that home gateways need replacing It's not neccessarily bad. There are a lot of older devices out there and technology has progressed a couple of generations since then. That spells market opportunity for manufacturers of IPv6 gateways, particularly at the higher end of the market where

Re: IPv6 is on the marketers radar

2011-02-13 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 8b082d10-a0ea-4012-8656-e60dd7ec7...@adacore.com, Geert Bosch write s: On Feb 12, 2011, at 21:03, Lee Howard wrote: Honestly, I can't quite see the big deal for home users. I'm using an Apple Airport Extreme, and setting it up with a IPv6 tunnel from =20 $150? That's a

Re: IPv6 is on the marketers radar

2011-02-13 Thread Owen DeLong
On Feb 13, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: In message 000901cbcb22$3cf978a0$b6ec69e0$@org, Lee Howard writes: -Original Message- From: Geert Bosch [mailto:bo...@adacore.com] Honestly, I can't quite see the big deal for home users. I'm using an Apple Airport Extreme,

RE: IPv6 is on the marketers radar

2011-02-12 Thread Lee Howard
-Original Message- From: Geert Bosch [mailto:bo...@adacore.com] Honestly, I can't quite see the big deal for home users. I'm using an Apple Airport Extreme, and setting it up with a IPv6 tunnel from $150? That's a high-powered device compared to most home gateways. HE was quite

Re: IPv6 is on the marketers radar

2011-02-12 Thread Geert Bosch
On Feb 12, 2011, at 21:03, Lee Howard wrote: Honestly, I can't quite see the big deal for home users. I'm using an Apple Airport Extreme, and setting it up with a IPv6 tunnel from $150? That's a high-powered device compared to most home gateways. Sure, but the same thing is possible with a

IPv6 is on the marketers radar

2011-02-11 Thread Franck Martin
http://www.marketingvox.com/under-the-microscope-what-the-end-of-ipv4-means-for-marketers-048657/ I can hear people, say oh no Interesting to see that marketers do not like CGNAT.

Re: IPv6 is on the marketers radar

2011-02-11 Thread Fred Baker
On Feb 11, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Franck Martin wrote: http://www.marketingvox.com/under-the-microscope-what-the-end-of-ipv4-means-for-marketers-048657/ I can hear people, say oh no Interesting to see that marketers do not like CGNAT. They missed an important point. Who Will Be

Re: IPv6 is on the marketers radar

2011-02-11 Thread J.D. Falk
On Feb 11, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Franck Martin wrote: http://www.marketingvox.com/under-the-microscope-what-the-end-of-ipv4-means-for-marketers-048657/ I can hear people, say oh no Interesting to see that marketers do not like CGNAT. Hmm, I recognize a lot of that article. If

Re: IPv6 is on the marketers radar

2011-02-11 Thread Franck Martin
- Original Message - From: Fred Baker f...@cisco.com To: Franck Martin fra...@genius.com Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Saturday, 12 February, 2011 9:43:56 AM Subject: Re: IPv6 is on the marketers radar On Feb 11, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Franck Martin wrote: http://www.marketingvox.com

RE: IPv6 is on the marketers radar

2011-02-11 Thread George Bonser
They missed an important point. Who Will Be Impacted: For more consumers, there will be negligible impact. The ISPs will be handling much of this,” said Leo Vegoda, a researcher with ICANN. (via TechNewsWorld). Some technology users may experience some glitches, such as people

Re: IPv6 is on the marketers radar

2011-02-11 Thread Jack Bates
On 2/11/2011 3:31 PM, George Bonser wrote: IPv6 is foundational to the next-generation Internet, enabling a range of new services and improved user experiences. Apparently they see IPv6 as some next-generation Internet thing. It isn't. Reread what they wrote. IPv6 is foundational to the

Re: IPv6 is on the marketers radar

2011-02-11 Thread Franck Martin
- Original Message - From: George Bonser gbon...@seven.com To: Franck Martin fra...@genius.com, Fred Baker f...@cisco.com Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Saturday, 12 February, 2011 10:31:42 AM Subject: RE: IPv6 is on the marketers radar They missed an important point. Who

Re: IPv6 is on the marketers radar

2011-02-11 Thread Paul Graydon
On 02/11/2011 10:46 AM, J.D. Falk wrote: On Feb 11, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Franck Martin wrote: http://www.marketingvox.com/under-the-microscope-what-the-end-of-ipv4-means-for-marketers-048657/ I can hear people, say oh no Interesting to see that marketers do not like CGNAT. Hmm, I

Re: IPv6 is on the marketers radar

2011-02-11 Thread Dorn Hetzel
p.s. with apologies to any honest marketers. All 2 of you.. What's the difference between a used car salesman and a network equipment salesman? The used care salesman knows when he's lying to you :)

Re: IPv6 is on the marketers radar

2011-02-11 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 4d55abce.7030...@brightok.net, Jack Bates writes: On 2/11/2011 3:31 PM, George Bonser wrote: IPv6 is foundational to the next-generation Internet, enabling a range of new services and improved user experiences. Apparently they see IPv6 as some next-generation Internet thing.

Re: IPv6 is on the marketers radar

2011-02-11 Thread Jack Bates
On 2/11/2011 6:56 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: They have had a #@!@ decade to add IPv6 support. They shouldn't need anymore time. Part of the reason we are in this mess is their delay in delivering products. Nah. The network side of things probably won't be too bad. Corporate world will have

Re: IPv6 is on the marketers radar

2011-02-11 Thread Karl Auer
On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 17:52 -0500, Dorn Hetzel wrote: p.s. with apologies to any honest marketers. All 2 of you.. What's the difference between a used car salesman and a network equipment salesman? The used care salesman knows when he's lying to you :) And the used car saleman probably

Re: IPv6 is on the marketers radar

2011-02-11 Thread Geert Bosch
On Feb 11, 2011, at 15:43, Fred Baker wrote: Anyone that uses a residential router (Linksys, D-Link, Netgear, etc) is likely to need to upgrade that, most likely by buying a new one. Set-top boxes are generally IPv4; anyone with a TV is likely to need to upgrade at least the software.