On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 12:49 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
This assumes that Copyright is the only IP protection out there. There
are actually two distinct realms of IP protection afforded in the US.
Actually, there are four: copyright, patent, trademark and trade
secret. A network
On 2/15/2015 8:57 AM, William Herrin wrote:
On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 12:49 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
This assumes that Copyright is the only IP protection out there. There
are actually two distinct realms of IP protection afforded in the US.
Actually, there are four: copyright,
On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 09:53:46 -0600, Jack Bates said:
want IP; legal protection). One way around this, most likely, is to
establish your art as public domain (allowing you continued use of the
foundation work, while losing the more specific details associated with
that one project). By doing
On 2/15/2015 09:53, Jack Bates wrote:
Most engineers know when they've crossed the line from trivial/mundane
into creative. It tends to be linked to our pride.
I wish it did not so often be driven by the thought that this may be an
opportunity to game the system for personal gain.
--
The
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nanog@nanog.org
Subject: [OT] Re: Intellectual Property in Network Design
On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 11:43:14 +1100, Ahad Aboss a...@telcoinabox.com
said:
In a sense, you are an artist as network architecture
is an art in itself. It involves interaction with time
On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 22:21:00 +1100, Skeeve Stevens said:
Personally, I don't think so. Sure some awesomely smart engineers designed
this... but did they 'create' anything to do it?
I already cited legislative history that indicates that even things like
phone directories are suitable for
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:26 PM, Skeeve Stevens
ske...@eintellegonetworks.com wrote:
My views are that if artistic endeavour is involved, then it is IP.
Architecture is certainly that... the look... but, the pipes, sewerage,
electricity, door locks... are not. They are products, bought of
Copyright law basically says that if there is any substantive creative input
into a work's creation then the work is not only copyrightable, unless the
author explicitly says different it's also copyrighted. Throw a paint filled
balloon at a canvas and the resulting splatter is copyrighted.
On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 11:43:14 +1100, Ahad Aboss a...@telcoinabox.com said:
In a sense, you are an artist as network architecture
is an art in itself. It involves interaction with time,
processes, people and things or an intersection between all.
This Friday's off-topic post for
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Skeeve Stevens
ske...@eintellegonetworks.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 8:55 PM, William Waites wwai...@tardis.ed.ac.uk
wrote:
An engineer or architect in the usual setting, no matter how skilled,
is not doing art because the whole activity is
On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 10:28:25 -0500, William Herrin said:
I have to disagree with you there. This particular ship sailed four decades
ago when CONTU found computer software to be copyrightable and the
subsequent legislation and litigation agreed.
The output of craft is copyrightable even if it
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 12:25 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
The issue with software wasn't if it was art, but if it was a literary work
(they struggled for a while with the concept of machine-readable versus human
readable).
If catalogs and directories are covered, config files are...
On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:36:43 -0500, William Herrin said:
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 12:25 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
If catalogs and directories are covered, config files are... :)
Smells like a Friday challenge for who can produce the most artistic
yet functionally correct Cisco
Thank you for looking up facts, laws, etc... The rest is merely opinion,
and wouldn't necessarily help someone trying to protect their network
designs.
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 11:25 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 10:28:25 -0500, William Herrin said:
I have to disagree
On 12 Feb 2015, at 3:12, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
Hi all,
I have two perspectives I am trying to address with regard to network
design and intellectual property.
1) The business who does the design - what are their rights?
2) The customer who asked for the rights from a consultant
My personal
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nanog@nanog.org
Subject: [OT] Re: Intellectual Property in Network Design
On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 11:43:14 +1100, Ahad Aboss a...@telcoinabox.com said:
In a sense, you are an artist as network architecture
The extent to which this is technically feasible and how one must go about it
actually varies greatly from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
Something well worth considering given the number of jurisdictions already
mentioned in the current discussion.
There are a number of possible concerns that
creative commons
@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Intellectual Property in Network Design
The extent to which this is technically feasible and how one must go about
it actually varies greatly from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
Something well worth considering given the number of jurisdictions already
mentioned in the current
...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Owen DeLong
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Subject: Re: Intellectual Property in Network Design
The extent to which this is technically feasible and how one must go about
it actually varies greatly from jurisdiction
Hi all,
I have two perspectives I am trying to address with regard to network
design and intellectual property.
1) The business who does the design - what are their rights?
2) The customer who asked for the rights from a consultant
My personal thoughts are conflicting:
- You create networks
On 12/Feb/15 14:58, Michael Butler wrote:
And to compound the (perceived) problem, any IP embedded in a network
design is almost always prior art. It's not a rabbit-hole worth going
down - I agree with Randy,
Agree.
Mark.
And to compound the (perceived) problem, any IP embedded in a network
design is almost always prior art. It's not a rabbit-hole worth going
down - I agree with Randy,
i have four lives.
iij research, dev, ... our goal is to publish our ideas there are
coworkers doing very innovative design
to problems pretty
firmly.
-Bill
On Feb 12, 2015, at 17:20, Skeeve Stevens
skeeve+na...@eintellegonetworks.com wrote:
Hi all,
I have two perspectives I am trying to address with regard to network
design and intellectual property.
1) The business who does
Actually Bill... I have two (conflicting) perspectives as I said but to
clarify:
1) A customer asked 'Can you make sure we have the IP for the network
design' which I was wondering if it is even technically possible
I think they mean we don't want you coming back and trying to make
I'm keen to see how you might think that fits in to the context?
creative commons
i prefer to be paid for being able to think, not for what i once
thought. creative commons suits my needs for network designs.
randy
---
Q: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
A: Why is top
On 02/12/15 07:42, Randy Bush wrote:
I'm keen to see how you might think that fits in to the context?
creative commons
i prefer to be paid for being able to think, not for what i once
thought. creative commons suits my needs for network designs.
And to compound the (perceived) problem, any
Hey Randy,
I'm keen to see how you might think that fits in to the context?
...Skeeve
*Skeeve Stevens - Founder Chief Network Architect*
eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
Email: ske...@eintellegonetworks.com ; Web: eintellegonetworks.com
Phone: 1300 239 038 ; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; Skype:
On 12/Feb/15 14:36, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
What I am really looking for is some working, experience, precedence that
backs up the view that IP on network design is actually not possible...
which is my gut feeling.
I've designed some pretty unique and profitable features using tech.
(not
I like this take on it... thanks David.
...Skeeve
*Skeeve Stevens - Founder Chief Network Architect*
eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
Email: ske...@eintellegonetworks.com ; Web: eintellegonetworks.com
Phone: 1300 239 038 ; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; Skype: skeeve
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On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 7:36 AM, Skeeve Stevens
skeeve+na...@eintellegonetworks.com wrote:
Actually Bill... I have two (conflicting) perspectives as I said but to
clarify:
1) A customer asked 'Can you make sure we have the IP for the network
design' which I was wondering if it is even
Exactly my thoughts Mark
...Skeeve
*Skeeve Stevens - Founder Chief Network Architect*
eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
Email: ske...@eintellegonetworks.com ; Web: eintellegonetworks.com
Phone: 1300 239 038 ; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; Skype: skeeve
Facebook: eintellegonetworks
, Skeeve Stevens
skeeve+na...@eintellegonetworks.com wrote:
Hi all,
I have two perspectives I am trying to address with regard to network
design and intellectual property.
1) The business who does the design - what are their rights?
2) The customer who asked for the rights from a consultant
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