Re: Internet Routing Registry folks - Important - (Fwd: [arin-announce] Consultation Now Open on the Future of ARIN’s IRR)

2021-02-08 Thread John Curran 
Martijn -

Excellent insight.   To be fair, it would be best to if you were to subscribe 
to our arin-consult mailing list and express your views over there so you can 
be part of the discussion (as others there may have useful feedback or suggest 
alternatives that may sway your thoughts on how we should best proceed...)

I’d prefer not to engage in a prolonged discussion here on the nanog mailing 
list, since not everyone here has a high interest in minutiae of ARIN’s 
services – essentially the same reason we have a dedicated list over at ARIN 
for consultation on proposed service changes.

I will note your input whether you join us or not - Thanks again!
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers

On 8 Feb 2021, at 11:57 AM, Martijn Schmidt via NANOG 
mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> wrote:

Hi John,

Thanks for the answer. In that case I would recommend to continue providing the 
ARIN-NONAUTH data stream beyond the system shutdown state, while continuing to 
allow for stale objects to be deleted: manually, or automated based on 
Whois-RWS OriginAS data, or automated based on IRR-online data, or automated 
based on RPKI ROA data. Ideally all four, especially the automated ones..

While September 2021 may seem a long time away, you'll probably still impact 
somebody that didn't read the mails by outright removing the ARIN-NONAUTH data 
stream rather than working to clean it up.

Best regards,
Martijn Schmidt
i3D.net<http://i3d.net/> / AS49544

From: John Curran mailto:jcur...@arin.net>>
Sent: 08 February 2021 17:25
To: Martijn Schmidt mailto:martijnschm...@i3d.net>>
Cc: nanog list mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>
Subject: Re: Internet Routing Registry folks - Important - (Fwd: 
[arin-announce] Consultation Now Open on the Future of ARIN’s IRR)

Martijn -

This does not affect entries in the ARIN’s Whois system so OriginAS fields are 
unaffected.

The new IRR-online system was a clean slate when announced and all objects 
therein have been freshly created by the authorized party.   Folks with routing 
information in the unauthenticated email-IRR system have the option to port 
their data into the new IRR (see 
https://www.arin.net/announcements/20200610-irr/ for details) until email-IRR 
shutdown at the end of September 2021.   Note that ARIN will not be porting 
that data.

Thanks!
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers


On 8 Feb 2021, at 11:10 AM, Martijn Schmidt 
mailto:martijnschm...@i3d.net>> wrote:

Hi John,

What happens to the route objects (and for that matter the OriginAS field in 
the Whois-RWS system) that were created before the IRR-online service was 
launched? Are the route objects (and/or OriginAS fields from the Whois-RWS 
system) which were registered by ARIN members for their own directly allocated 
ARIN resources going to be ported along to the new system (e.g. not 
proxy-registered objects), or do we start with a fully clean slate where it is 
expected that everyone re-creates their route objects in the IRR-online service 
before the September 2021 deadline?

Best regards,
Martijn Schmidt
i3D.net<http://i3d.net/> / AS49544


From: NANOG 
mailto:nanog-bounces+martijnschmidt=i3d@nanog.org>>
 on behalf of John Curran mailto:jcur...@arin.net>>
Sent: 08 February 2021 16:57
To: nanog list mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>
Subject: Internet Routing Registry folks - Important - (Fwd: [arin-announce] 
Consultation Now Open on the Future of ARIN’s IRR)

NANOGers -

If you make use of ARIN’s unauthenticated IRR service or the NONAUTH data 
stream in your route filtering, please take note of the following ARIN 
consultation.

Thanks!
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers


Begin forwarded message:

From: ARIN mailto:i...@arin.net>>
Subject: [arin-announce] Consultation Now Open on the Future of ARIN’s IRR
Date: 8 February 2021 at 10:46:18 AM EST
To: "arin-annou...@arin.net<mailto:arin-annou...@arin.net>" 
mailto:arin-annou...@arin.net>>

ARIN has been engaged in a multi-year project to create and deploy a new and 
improved Internet Routing Registry (IRR). On 10 June 2020 
(https://www.arin.net/announcements/20200610-irr/), we launched IRR-online, an 
authenticated and web-based service designed to make it simple for users to 
publish routing information via ARIN’s website. At that time, the existing 
IRR-email system was temporarily left in place to allow organizations to 
continue using email-based updates to publish routing information (in the 
ARIN-NONAUTH data stream).

On 1 February 2021 (https://www.arin.net/announcements/20210201-rn/), we 
deployed a RESTful API to provide a way to securely automate updates to objects 
in ARIN’s authenticated IRR service.

With the availability of automation for ARIN’s new IRR system, we intend to 
retir

Re: Internet Routing Registry folks - Important - (Fwd: [arin-announce] Consultation Now Open on the Future of ARIN’s IRR)

2021-02-08 Thread Martijn Schmidt via NANOG 
Hi John,

Thanks for the answer. In that case I would recommend to continue providing the 
ARIN-NONAUTH data stream beyond the system shutdown state, while continuing to 
allow for stale objects to be deleted: manually, or automated based on 
Whois-RWS OriginAS data, or automated based on IRR-online data, or automated 
based on RPKI ROA data. Ideally all four, especially the automated ones..

While September 2021 may seem a long time away, you'll probably still impact 
somebody that didn't read the mails by outright removing the ARIN-NONAUTH data 
stream rather than working to clean it up.

Best regards,
Martijn Schmidt
i3D.net / AS49544

From: John Curran 
Sent: 08 February 2021 17:25
To: Martijn Schmidt 
Cc: nanog list 
Subject: Re: Internet Routing Registry folks - Important - (Fwd: 
[arin-announce] Consultation Now Open on the Future of ARIN’s IRR)

Martijn -

This does not affect entries in the ARIN’s Whois system so OriginAS fields are 
unaffected.

The new IRR-online system was a clean slate when announced and all objects 
therein have been freshly created by the authorized party.   Folks with routing 
information in the unauthenticated email-IRR system have the option to port 
their data into the new IRR (see 
https://www.arin.net/announcements/20200610-irr/ for details) until email-IRR 
shutdown at the end of September 2021.   Note that ARIN will not be porting 
that data.

Thanks!
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers


On 8 Feb 2021, at 11:10 AM, Martijn Schmidt 
mailto:martijnschm...@i3d.net>> wrote:

Hi John,

What happens to the route objects (and for that matter the OriginAS field in 
the Whois-RWS system) that were created before the IRR-online service was 
launched? Are the route objects (and/or OriginAS fields from the Whois-RWS 
system) which were registered by ARIN members for their own directly allocated 
ARIN resources going to be ported along to the new system (e.g. not 
proxy-registered objects), or do we start with a fully clean slate where it is 
expected that everyone re-creates their route objects in the IRR-online service 
before the September 2021 deadline?

Best regards,
Martijn Schmidt
i3D.net<http://i3d.net/> / AS49544

From: NANOG 
mailto:nanog-bounces+martijnschmidt=i3d@nanog.org>>
 on behalf of John Curran mailto:jcur...@arin.net>>
Sent: 08 February 2021 16:57
To: nanog list mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>
Subject: Internet Routing Registry folks - Important - (Fwd: [arin-announce] 
Consultation Now Open on the Future of ARIN’s IRR)

NANOGers -

If you make use of ARIN’s unauthenticated IRR service or the NONAUTH data 
stream in your route filtering, please take note of the following ARIN 
consultation.

Thanks!
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers


Begin forwarded message:

From: ARIN mailto:i...@arin.net>>
Subject: [arin-announce] Consultation Now Open on the Future of ARIN’s IRR
Date: 8 February 2021 at 10:46:18 AM EST
To: "arin-annou...@arin.net<mailto:arin-annou...@arin.net>" 
mailto:arin-annou...@arin.net>>

ARIN has been engaged in a multi-year project to create and deploy a new and 
improved Internet Routing Registry (IRR). On 10 June 2020 
(https://www.arin.net/announcements/20200610-irr/), we launched IRR-online, an 
authenticated and web-based service designed to make it simple for users to 
publish routing information via ARIN’s website. At that time, the existing 
IRR-email system was temporarily left in place to allow organizations to 
continue using email-based updates to publish routing information (in the 
ARIN-NONAUTH data stream).

On 1 February 2021 (https://www.arin.net/announcements/20210201-rn/), we 
deployed a RESTful API to provide a way to securely automate updates to objects 
in ARIN’s authenticated IRR service.

With the availability of automation for ARIN’s new IRR system, we intend to 
retire ARIN’s previous non-authenticated, email-based IRR service at the end of 
September 2021. We are providing advance notice of this plan so that 
organizations using the non-authenticated and email-based IRR will have time to 
switch publication of their routing registry information to a more current 
solution. Similarly, by establishing a firm end date for the non-authenticated 
and email-based IRR, organizations making use of the outdated and 
non-authenticated IRR data stream can be ready for when ARIN ceases publishing 
the ARIN-NONAUTH data stream.

The authenticated IRR is available to all ARIN resource holders that have 
resources covered by a signed Registration Services Agreement (RSA) or Legacy 
Registration Services Agreement (LRSA). Organizations with resources not 
currently under an RSA/LRSA that wish to use the authenticated IRR may contact 
ARIN’s Registration Services Department for assistance with bringing those 
registrations und

Re: Internet Routing Registry folks - Important - (Fwd: [arin-announce] Consultation Now Open on the Future of ARIN’s IRR)

2021-02-08 Thread John Curran 
Martijn -

This does not affect entries in the ARIN’s Whois system so OriginAS fields are 
unaffected.

The new IRR-online system was a clean slate when announced and all objects 
therein have been freshly created by the authorized party.   Folks with routing 
information in the unauthenticated email-IRR system have the option to port 
their data into the new IRR (see 
https://www.arin.net/announcements/20200610-irr/ for details) until email-IRR 
shutdown at the end of September 2021.   Note that ARIN will not be porting 
that data.

Thanks!
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers


On 8 Feb 2021, at 11:10 AM, Martijn Schmidt 
mailto:martijnschm...@i3d.net>> wrote:

Hi John,

What happens to the route objects (and for that matter the OriginAS field in 
the Whois-RWS system) that were created before the IRR-online service was 
launched? Are the route objects (and/or OriginAS fields from the Whois-RWS 
system) which were registered by ARIN members for their own directly allocated 
ARIN resources going to be ported along to the new system (e.g. not 
proxy-registered objects), or do we start with a fully clean slate where it is 
expected that everyone re-creates their route objects in the IRR-online service 
before the September 2021 deadline?

Best regards,
Martijn Schmidt
i3D.net<http://i3d.net/> / AS49544

From: NANOG 
mailto:nanog-bounces+martijnschmidt=i3d@nanog.org>>
 on behalf of John Curran mailto:jcur...@arin.net>>
Sent: 08 February 2021 16:57
To: nanog list mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>
Subject: Internet Routing Registry folks - Important - (Fwd: [arin-announce] 
Consultation Now Open on the Future of ARIN’s IRR)

NANOGers -

If you make use of ARIN’s unauthenticated IRR service or the NONAUTH data 
stream in your route filtering, please take note of the following ARIN 
consultation.

Thanks!
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers


Begin forwarded message:

From: ARIN mailto:i...@arin.net>>
Subject: [arin-announce] Consultation Now Open on the Future of ARIN’s IRR
Date: 8 February 2021 at 10:46:18 AM EST
To: "arin-annou...@arin.net<mailto:arin-annou...@arin.net>" 
mailto:arin-annou...@arin.net>>

ARIN has been engaged in a multi-year project to create and deploy a new and 
improved Internet Routing Registry (IRR). On 10 June 2020 
(https://www.arin.net/announcements/20200610-irr/), we launched IRR-online, an 
authenticated and web-based service designed to make it simple for users to 
publish routing information via ARIN’s website. At that time, the existing 
IRR-email system was temporarily left in place to allow organizations to 
continue using email-based updates to publish routing information (in the 
ARIN-NONAUTH data stream).

On 1 February 2021 (https://www.arin.net/announcements/20210201-rn/), we 
deployed a RESTful API to provide a way to securely automate updates to objects 
in ARIN’s authenticated IRR service.

With the availability of automation for ARIN’s new IRR system, we intend to 
retire ARIN’s previous non-authenticated, email-based IRR service at the end of 
September 2021. We are providing advance notice of this plan so that 
organizations using the non-authenticated and email-based IRR will have time to 
switch publication of their routing registry information to a more current 
solution. Similarly, by establishing a firm end date for the non-authenticated 
and email-based IRR, organizations making use of the outdated and 
non-authenticated IRR data stream can be ready for when ARIN ceases publishing 
the ARIN-NONAUTH data stream.

The authenticated IRR is available to all ARIN resource holders that have 
resources covered by a signed Registration Services Agreement (RSA) or Legacy 
Registration Services Agreement (LRSA). Organizations with resources not 
currently under an RSA/LRSA that wish to use the authenticated IRR may contact 
ARIN’s Registration Services Department for assistance with bringing those 
registrations under an RSA/LRSA.

We recognize that this change will have significant impacts on our customers 
and, as always, we’re interested in your feedback regarding this proposed 
transition. In particular, we would appreciate hearing from the ARIN community 
regarding these aspects of the proposed transition:

1. For those using ARIN’s email-based and non-authenticated IRR system, does 
the proposed shutdown date of 30 September 2021 provide sufficient time for 
migration to another IRR system?

2. For those making use of the ARIN-NONAUTH data stream, is there any reason to 
provide this information beyond the system shutdown date?

The community feedback provided during this consultation will help inform how 
we move forward. Please provide comments to 
arin-cons...@arin.net<mailto:arin-cons...@arin.net>. You can subscribe to this 
mailing list at:

http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-c

Re: Internet Routing Registry folks - Important - (Fwd: [arin-announce] Consultation Now Open on the Future of ARIN’s IRR)

2021-02-08 Thread Martijn Schmidt via NANOG 
Hi John,

What happens to the route objects (and for that matter the OriginAS field in 
the Whois-RWS system) that were created before the IRR-online service was 
launched? Are the route objects (and/or OriginAS fields from the Whois-RWS 
system) which were registered by ARIN members for their own directly allocated 
ARIN resources going to be ported along to the new system (e.g. not 
proxy-registered objects), or do we start with a fully clean slate where it is 
expected that everyone re-creates their route objects in the IRR-online service 
before the September 2021 deadline?

Best regards,
Martijn Schmidt
i3D.net / AS49544

From: NANOG  on behalf of John 
Curran 
Sent: 08 February 2021 16:57
To: nanog list 
Subject: Internet Routing Registry folks - Important - (Fwd: [arin-announce] 
Consultation Now Open on the Future of ARIN’s IRR)

NANOGers -

If you make use of ARIN’s unauthenticated IRR service or the NONAUTH data 
stream in your route filtering, please take note of the following ARIN 
consultation.

Thanks!
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers


Begin forwarded message:

From: ARIN mailto:i...@arin.net>>
Subject: [arin-announce] Consultation Now Open on the Future of ARIN’s IRR
Date: 8 February 2021 at 10:46:18 AM EST
To: "arin-annou...@arin.net<mailto:arin-annou...@arin.net>" 
mailto:arin-annou...@arin.net>>

ARIN has been engaged in a multi-year project to create and deploy a new and 
improved Internet Routing Registry (IRR). On 10 June 2020 
(https://www.arin.net/announcements/20200610-irr/), we launched IRR-online, an 
authenticated and web-based service designed to make it simple for users to 
publish routing information via ARIN’s website. At that time, the existing 
IRR-email system was temporarily left in place to allow organizations to 
continue using email-based updates to publish routing information (in the 
ARIN-NONAUTH data stream).

On 1 February 2021 (https://www.arin.net/announcements/20210201-rn/), we 
deployed a RESTful API to provide a way to securely automate updates to objects 
in ARIN’s authenticated IRR service.

With the availability of automation for ARIN’s new IRR system, we intend to 
retire ARIN’s previous non-authenticated, email-based IRR service at the end of 
September 2021. We are providing advance notice of this plan so that 
organizations using the non-authenticated and email-based IRR will have time to 
switch publication of their routing registry information to a more current 
solution. Similarly, by establishing a firm end date for the non-authenticated 
and email-based IRR, organizations making use of the outdated and 
non-authenticated IRR data stream can be ready for when ARIN ceases publishing 
the ARIN-NONAUTH data stream.

The authenticated IRR is available to all ARIN resource holders that have 
resources covered by a signed Registration Services Agreement (RSA) or Legacy 
Registration Services Agreement (LRSA). Organizations with resources not 
currently under an RSA/LRSA that wish to use the authenticated IRR may contact 
ARIN’s Registration Services Department for assistance with bringing those 
registrations under an RSA/LRSA.

We recognize that this change will have significant impacts on our customers 
and, as always, we’re interested in your feedback regarding this proposed 
transition. In particular, we would appreciate hearing from the ARIN community 
regarding these aspects of the proposed transition:

1. For those using ARIN’s email-based and non-authenticated IRR system, does 
the proposed shutdown date of 30 September 2021 provide sufficient time for 
migration to another IRR system?

2. For those making use of the ARIN-NONAUTH data stream, is there any reason to 
provide this information beyond the system shutdown date?

The community feedback provided during this consultation will help inform how 
we move forward. Please provide comments to 
arin-cons...@arin.net<mailto:arin-cons...@arin.net>. You can subscribe to this 
mailing list at:

http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult

This consultation will remain open through 5:00 PM ET on Monday, 8 March.

Regards,

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)

Internet Routing Registry folks - Important - (Fwd: [arin-announce] Consultation Now Open on the Future of ARIN’s IRR)

2021-02-08 Thread John Curran 
NANOGers -

If you make use of ARIN’s unauthenticated IRR service or the NONAUTH data 
stream in your route filtering, please take note of the following ARIN 
consultation.

Thanks!
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers


Begin forwarded message:

From: ARIN mailto:i...@arin.net>>
Subject: [arin-announce] Consultation Now Open on the Future of ARIN’s IRR
Date: 8 February 2021 at 10:46:18 AM EST
To: "arin-annou...@arin.net" 
mailto:arin-annou...@arin.net>>

ARIN has been engaged in a multi-year project to create and deploy a new and 
improved Internet Routing Registry (IRR). On 10 June 2020 
(https://www.arin.net/announcements/20200610-irr/), we launched IRR-online, an 
authenticated and web-based service designed to make it simple for users to 
publish routing information via ARIN’s website. At that time, the existing 
IRR-email system was temporarily left in place to allow organizations to 
continue using email-based updates to publish routing information (in the 
ARIN-NONAUTH data stream).

On 1 February 2021 (https://www.arin.net/announcements/20210201-rn/), we 
deployed a RESTful API to provide a way to securely automate updates to objects 
in ARIN’s authenticated IRR service.

With the availability of automation for ARIN’s new IRR system, we intend to 
retire ARIN’s previous non-authenticated, email-based IRR service at the end of 
September 2021. We are providing advance notice of this plan so that 
organizations using the non-authenticated and email-based IRR will have time to 
switch publication of their routing registry information to a more current 
solution. Similarly, by establishing a firm end date for the non-authenticated 
and email-based IRR, organizations making use of the outdated and 
non-authenticated IRR data stream can be ready for when ARIN ceases publishing 
the ARIN-NONAUTH data stream.

The authenticated IRR is available to all ARIN resource holders that have 
resources covered by a signed Registration Services Agreement (RSA) or Legacy 
Registration Services Agreement (LRSA). Organizations with resources not 
currently under an RSA/LRSA that wish to use the authenticated IRR may contact 
ARIN’s Registration Services Department for assistance with bringing those 
registrations under an RSA/LRSA.

We recognize that this change will have significant impacts on our customers 
and, as always, we’re interested in your feedback regarding this proposed 
transition. In particular, we would appreciate hearing from the ARIN community 
regarding these aspects of the proposed transition:

1. For those using ARIN’s email-based and non-authenticated IRR system, does 
the proposed shutdown date of 30 September 2021 provide sufficient time for 
migration to another IRR system?

2. For those making use of the ARIN-NONAUTH data stream, is there any reason to 
provide this information beyond the system shutdown date?

The community feedback provided during this consultation will help inform how 
we move forward. Please provide comments to 
arin-cons...@arin.net. You can subscribe to this 
mailing list at:

http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult

This consultation will remain open through 5:00 PM ET on Monday, 8 March.

Regards,

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)