Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic

2019-12-30 Thread Mark Tinka
On 30/Dec/19 21:37, Paul Nash wrote: > This was (not quite) how bits of sub-saharan Africa got netnews in the early > days. Store-and-forward, UUCP links over dial-ups, and the occasional mag > tape couriered over. There are some on this list who can corroborate the mag tape shipping...

Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic

2019-12-30 Thread Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via NANOG
Karl Auer writes: > I think the point about email is that it is inherently store-and- > forward, so it can relatively easily be moved off a network, stored, > moved by other means, and put back on a (possibly different) network. It's trivial to set up a mail transport between physically

Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic

2019-12-30 Thread Ahmed Elbornou
Maybe one day we'll see Ham-SD-Radio P2P News and Files Sharing economy. :) On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 6:14 AM Rich Kulawiec wrote: > > And this is why, despite all the disdainful remarks labeling such > things as "antiquated", mailing lists and Usenet newsgroups are vastly > superior to web

Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic

2019-12-30 Thread Paul Nash
This was (not quite) how bits of sub-saharan Africa got netnews in the early days. Store-and-forward, UUCP links over dial-ups, and the occasional mag tape couriered over. paul > On Dec 29, 2019, at 9:11 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > > > And this is why, despite all the disdainful

Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic

2019-12-29 Thread Christopher Morrow
Hell but only a Stairway to Heaven says a > lot about anticipated traffic volume. > > >-Original Message- > >From: NANOG On Behalf Of Scott Weeks > >Sent: Sunday, 29 December, 2019 15:38 > >To: nanog@nanog.org > >Subject: Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traf

RE: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic

2019-12-29 Thread Keith Medcalf
t;From: NANOG On Behalf Of Scott Weeks >Sent: Sunday, 29 December, 2019 15:38 >To: nanog@nanog.org >Subject: Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic > > > >--- jhellent...@dataix.net wrote: >From: "J. Hellenthal" > >Yeah sorry to say any email

Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic

2019-12-29 Thread Karl Auer
On Sun, 2019-12-29 at 16:16 -0600, J. Hellenthal via NANOG wrote: > Personally, email would be the easiest to block behind riuting. "Give me ssh and an open port and I shall tell the world"   - Archimedes, circa 250 BC Of course, he'd still need a network. I think the point about email is that

Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic

2019-12-29 Thread Scott Weeks
> --- r...@gsp.org wrote: > > From: Rich Kulawiec > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic > Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2019 09:11:23 -0500 > > > And this is why, despite all the disdainful remarks labeling such > things as "antiquated&

Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic

2019-12-29 Thread J. Hellenthal via NANOG
then you need methods > :: that don't rely on a network and aren't realtime. > > > This is a great idea, but 99.9% of folks use GUI > email. :-( > > scott > > > > > --- r...@gsp.org wrote: > > From: Rich Kulawiec > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: Iran

Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic

2019-12-29 Thread Scott Weeks
wrote: From: Rich Kulawiec To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2019 09:11:23 -0500 And this is why, despite all the disdainful remarks labeling such things as "antiquated", mailing lists and Usenet newsgroups are vastly superior to web sit

Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic

2019-12-29 Thread Rich Kulawiec
And this is why, despite all the disdainful remarks labeling such things as "antiquated", mailing lists and Usenet newsgroups are vastly superior to web sites/message boards/et.al. when it comes to facilitating many-to-many communications between people. Why? Well, there are many reasons, but

Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic

2019-11-21 Thread Eric Michaud
I'm curious to see if there will be a Telecomix grass roots type resurgence to POTS. On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 7:11 AM Sean Donelan wrote: > > > Its very practical for a country to cut 95%+ of its Internet connectivity. > Its not a complete cut-off, there is some limited connectivity. But for >

RE: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic

2019-11-21 Thread Keith Medcalf
>"Internet penetration and complexity has vastly grown in Iran >over the past decade, but the country’s users still connect >to the global network through just two gateways. Both are >controlled by the regime, and can be blocked when it chooses." > >"Access to the internet is gradually being

Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic

2019-11-21 Thread Scott Weeks
--- eric.kuh...@gmail.com wrote: From: Eric Kuhnke The vast majority of Iranian ISPs' international transit connectivity is through AS12880 DCI , which is a government run telecom authority. Google "AS12880 DCI Iran" for more info. DCI is also responsible for layer 2 transport and DWDM

Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic

2019-11-19 Thread Eric Kuhnke
The vast majority of Iranian ISPs' international transit connectivity is through AS12880 DCI , which is a government run telecom authority. Google "AS12880 DCI Iran" for more info. DCI is also responsible for layer 2 transport and DWDM services for smaller downstream ISPs, on other international

Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic

2019-11-18 Thread Sean Donelan
Digging a little deeper, it looks like Iran's blocking is more complex than I've seen before. Consumer/mobile networks appear nearly completely blocked. However, many important business/financial networks and B2B traffic appear operating normally. I don't yet have good data about of the

Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic

2019-11-18 Thread Ross Tajvar
Do we have any ideas which prefixes are still accessible? On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 3:01 PM Scott Fisher wrote: > One would hope so, but I am I sure they will just threaten their > population on using it. Tyrannical regimes know no bounds. > > Thanks, > Scott Fisher > Team Cymru > > On 11/18/19

Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic

2019-11-18 Thread Scott Fisher
One would hope so, but I am I sure they will just threaten their population on using it. Tyrannical regimes know no bounds. Thanks, Scott Fisher Team Cymru On 11/18/19 2:26 PM, Tony Wicks wrote: >>Implementation specifics vary. Most rely on state control of consumer > ISPs and implement a

OT: RE: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic

2019-11-18 Thread Scott Weeks
--- t...@wicks.co.nz wrote: From: "Tony Wicks" I guess all these governments who like to control... The wierd thing to me is the one thing governments are afraid of is people talking to each other without restriction. Not this or that, rather just people

RE: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic

2019-11-18 Thread Tony Wicks
>Implementation specifics vary. Most rely on state control of consumer ISPs and >implement a variety of systems at that layer. Many also have chokepoints for >>international connectivity as well. I guess all these governments who like to control access so tightly are going to be in a total

Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic

2019-11-18 Thread Matt Harris
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 11:29 AM Scott Weeks wrote: > > > --- s...@donelan.com wrote: > From: Sean Donelan > > Its very practical for a country to cut 95%+ of its Internet connectivity. > Its not a complete cut-off, there is some limited connectivity. But for > most ordinary individuals, their

Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic

2019-11-18 Thread Scott Weeks
--- s...@donelan.com wrote: From: Sean Donelan Its very practical for a country to cut 95%+ of its Internet connectivity. Its not a complete cut-off, there is some limited connectivity. But for most ordinary individuals, their communication channels are cut-off.

Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic

2019-11-18 Thread Wayne Bouchard
Though Iran's situation is hardly a new advent, it reminds me that more and more countries seem to be going for the centralized filter/control/kill option and what a sad development that is. It sure seems like this is going to vastly change how inter-nation traffic (or at least inter-continental)

Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic

2019-11-18 Thread Sean Donelan
Its very practical for a country to cut 95%+ of its Internet connectivity. Its not a complete cut-off, there is some limited connectivity. But for most ordinary individuals, their communication channels are cut-off. https://twitter.com/netblocks/status/1196366347938271232