Re: Large RTT or Why doesn't my ping traffic get discarded?

2022-12-22 Thread Jason Iannone
Thanks for engaging with this. I was intentionally brief in my explanation. I have observed this behavior in congested networks for years and ignored it as an obvious symptom of the congestion. What has always piqued my curiosity though is just how long a ping can last. In my case yesterday, I

Re: Large RTT or Why doesn't my ping traffic get discarded?

2022-12-22 Thread Masataka Ohta
Jerry Cloe wrote: Because there is no standard for discarding "old" traffic, only discard is for packets that hop too many times. There is, however, a standard for decrementing TTL by 1 if a packet sits on a device for more than 1000ms, and of course we all know what happens when TTL > hits

Re: Large RTT or Why doesn't my ping traffic get discarded?

2022-12-21 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 11:03 PM Saku Ytti wrote: > On Thu, 22 Dec 2022 at 08:41, William Herrin wrote: > > Suppose you have a loose network cable between your Linux server and a > > switch. Layer 1. That RJ45 just isn't quite solid. It's mostly working > > but not quite right. What does it look

Re: Large RTT or Why doesn't my ping traffic get discarded?

2022-12-21 Thread Saku Ytti
On Thu, 22 Dec 2022 at 08:41, William Herrin wrote: > Suppose you have a loose network cable between your Linux server and a > switch. Layer 1. That RJ45 just isn't quite solid. It's mostly working > but not quite right. What does it look like at layer 2? One thing it > can look like is a

Re: Large RTT or Why doesn't my ping traffic get discarded?

2022-12-21 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 10:07 PM Saku Ytti wrote: > I don't really think > ARP/ND is good candidate like Herring suggested, because it's > cyclical, instead of exactly single event, but not impossible. Suppose you have a loose network cable between your Linux server and a switch. Layer 1. That

Re: Large RTT or Why doesn't my ping traffic get discarded?

2022-12-21 Thread Saku Ytti
There certainly aren't any temporal buffers in SP gear limiting the buffer to 100ms, nor are there any mechanisms to temporally decrease TTL or hop-limit. Some devices may expose temporal configuration to UX, but that is just a multiplier for max_buffer_bytes, and what is programmed is a fixed

RE: Large RTT or Why doesn't my ping traffic get discarded?

2022-12-21 Thread Jerry Cloe
Because there is no standard for discarding "old" traffic, only discard is for packets that hop too many times. There is, however, a standard for decrementing TTL by 1 if a packet sits on a device for more than 1000ms, and of course we all know what happens when TTL hits zero. Based on that,

Re: Large RTT or Why doesn't my ping traffic get discarded?

2022-12-21 Thread Joelle Maslak
You didn't tell us anything about your path or your endpoint, or if you see this just with Lumen's DNS servers or with other devices. So it is hard to guess what is going on here. That said, I know I've seen this kind of behavior both with buffer bloat on consumer devices (particularly the

Re: Large RTT or Why doesn't my ping traffic get discarded?

2022-12-21 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 1:20 PM Dave Taht wrote: > On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 11:58 AM William Herrin wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 9:10 AM Jason Iannone > > wrote: > > > Here's a question I haven't bothered to ask until now. Can someone please > > > help me understand why I receive a ping

Re: Large RTT or Why doesn't my ping traffic get discarded?

2022-12-21 Thread J. Hellenthal via NANOG
As well if this persists you may consider disabling hardware rx/tx checksumming to see if it clears up your results. Some net cards can get glitchy causing this exact behavior. GL -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about

Re: Large RTT or Why doesn't my ping traffic get discarded?

2022-12-21 Thread Dave Taht
There's this thing called bufferbloat... On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 11:58 AM William Herrin wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 9:10 AM Jason Iannone wrote: > > Here's a question I haven't bothered to ask until now. Can someone please > > help me understand why I receive a ping reply after almost

Re: Large RTT or Why doesn't my ping traffic get discarded?

2022-12-21 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 9:10 AM Jason Iannone wrote: > Here's a question I haven't bothered to ask until now. Can someone please > help me understand why I receive a ping reply after almost 5 seconds? > > 64 bytes from 4.2.2.2: icmp_seq=398 ttl=54 time=4915.096 ms > 64 bytes from 4.2.2.2:

Re: Large RTT or Why doesn't my ping traffic get discarded?

2022-12-21 Thread Mel Beckman
. From: NANOG on behalf of Mel Beckman Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2022 9:22 AM To: Jason Iannone ; North American Network Operators' Group Subject: Re: Large RTT or Why doesn't my ping traffic get discarded? Sometimes this is usually due to high CPU time

Re: Large RTT or Why doesn't my ping traffic get discarded?

2022-12-21 Thread Mel Beckman
detailed per-hop statistics. -mel From: NANOG on behalf of Jason Iannone Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2022 9:10 AM To: North American Network Operators' Group Subject: Large RTT or Why doesn't my ping traffic get discarded? Here's a question I haven't bothered

Large RTT or Why doesn't my ping traffic get discarded?

2022-12-21 Thread Jason Iannone
Here's a question I haven't bothered to ask until now. Can someone please help me understand why I receive a ping reply after almost 5 seconds? As I understand it, buffers in SP gear are generally 100ms. According to my math this round trip should have been discarded around the 1 second mark, even